Trump doesnt have a plan to fight the virus on purpose. He puts the onus onto the state governors to figure out how to move ahead to deflect blame

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HomerJS

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Trumpies AND MOST all republicans simply DISTASTE the federal government.
They do not IN ANY WAY want to give the federal government any credit for solving any problem or for solving any issue.
And thus..... Donald Trump is in full compliance with republican ideology by turning everything over to the states.
AND, HERE's THE REAL PISSER.
If and when this is all over, the pandemic, all of the deaths... ALL OF THE DEATHS AND FAILURES they can then blame solely ONTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
""The federal government failed us, the individual states saved us"", they will all say.
So just be prepared for that incredible two faced LIE.

They will all repeat that lie.
Trump will start the lie, every republican in congress will repeat the lie, Fox News will dedicate entire nightly shows just to promote that lie, and knowing the stupidity of the American people the people will believe that lie. A majority of America will continue to believe that government is worthless and the state is everything.


Republicans also wanted to believe that over marriage equality, that marriage equality was up to the states and only the states to decide. If republican ideology had their way, that would still be the law of the land today. Marriage equality to be decided only by the state. And Trump's US Supreme Court would have never challenged that incredibly flawed ideology.
NEVER NEVER NEVER....

The truly sad thing here is, that after this pandemic is all over the republicans lead by Donald Trump will also rewrite history by giving Donald Trump and the states full credit then placing the failures onto the federal government.
So.... don't be surprised.

Republicans HATE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
When they are in control, they only wish to pervert and rape that federal government so then they can say SEE, SEE HOW WORTHLESS IT IS.
I wish we had a permanent sticky location for predictions. Nailed it
 

hal2kilo

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My first thought here is that this most likely is a situation that warrants a top down approach. The only scenario where it might make sense to keep things to the state level is if you want to run a big experiment to see which states' approach yields the best results, so that the same strategy can be applied across the union in the future. But this would require fairly strict encapsulation between states, so that the states that screw up their approach don't bring everyone else down with them. I'm not sure if that's currently the case or not. Probably not.

My second thought is that for everyone who has ever called Trump an authoritarian, this is the biggest contraindication of that yet. He's certainly said some things authoritarian sounding things in the past, but a truly authoritarian leader wouldn't let such a good tragedy go to waste, and certainly wouldn't leave these things up to the states.
That's the confusing part.
 

fleshconsumed

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My first thought here is that this most likely is a situation that warrants a top down approach. The only scenario where it might make sense to keep things to the state level is if you want to run a big experiment to see which states' approach yields the best results, so that the same strategy can be applied across the union in the future. But this would require fairly strict encapsulation between states, so that the states that screw up their approach don't bring everyone else down with them. I'm not sure if that's currently the case or not. Probably not.

My second thought is that for everyone who has ever called Trump an authoritarian, this is the biggest contraindication of that yet. He's certainly said some things authoritarian sounding things in the past, but a truly authoritarian leader wouldn't let such a good tragedy go to waste, and certainly wouldn't leave these things up to the states.

Trump threatens to veto any bill that provides aid to USPS. No USPS means no voting by mail in 2020.
 

MtnMan

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Trump is using the same tactic he probably used as a spoiled brat in school. Yes, he can claim he never lost a fight in school, because being a true coward, he ran from every damn one.
 

Starbuck1975

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South Korea is open. Instead of spending months calling it a Democratic hoax and filling its citizens heads full of disinformation about how there's only 15 cases soon to go to zero they aggressively tested and contact traced the cases they have had. They're open despite having some of the earliest confirmed cases outside China because they have adults running their nation who recognize and care about the value of human life. Their worst day they had nine deaths. Who knows what our worst day will be, especially when Dotard opens the country back up without any mitigation strategy.
The United States is having a comparable experience to most western societies. The South Korean experience is attributed to many things. A recent glancing blow from MERS. Strong coordination between the government and private sector. A cultural dynamic where citizens place the needs of society above themselves. A societal willingness to adapt safety measures beyond what a government could reasonably mandate. A strong health care infrastructure. Even with all of those safeguards in place, things are hardly back to normal.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Going to have to ask, is greenman an alt account of yours? You seem consistently 5 degrees apart in ideology, like clockwork.
Anyway. False. What the rest of the world will be doing is opening up the economy while staying below the line, with a flattened curve. Rest of the world is also going to continue to isolate the elder population until a vaccine is found.
This is easily inferred by using personal brain power for 2-3 seconds, also by you. So why why why why why why WHY continue spouting this bullshit? Its .... tiresome.
It’s not bullshit
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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21648 Americans to date say bull shit.
Take Trump out of the equation, and the incompetence of de Blasio, and lack of coordination between Albany and NYC, is enough to explain why NYC is a hotspot. I remember when some got all bent out of shape because Trump moved to cancel flight from Europe.
 

Starbuck1975

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I’m not aware of a single credible medical expert who thinks that nothing could be done to improve our country’s response. It doesn’t matter how many times you try to push this same nonsense, the fact is that Trump royally fucked this up and it’s cost our country enormously.
There were of course things that could have been done better. Trump does not bare the blame for all of the mistakes made.
 

Jhhnn

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Take Trump out of the equation, and the incompetence of de Blasio, and lack of coordination between Albany and NYC, is enough to explain why NYC is a hotspot. I remember when some got all bent out of shape because Trump moved to cancel flight from Europe.

Or maybe it's because NYC is the greatest hub of travel & commerce in the country. They got it first. They also have high density & a high poverty rate.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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The United States is having a comparable experience to most western societies. The South Korean experience is attributed to many things. A recent glancing blow from MERS. Strong coordination between the government and private sector. A cultural dynamic where citizens place the needs of society above themselves. A societal willingness to adapt safety measures beyond what a government could reasonably mandate. A strong health care infrastructure. Even with all of those safeguards in place, things are hardly back to normal.

The United States is pretty comparable to the UK which is led by another crooked right wing fuck who didn't take it seriously. Canada seems to be doing alright. So Italy fucked up means it's ok that our president fucks us too? Wow only South Korea knew this would be serious is an argument you think absolves our Dear Leader? And now the piece of shit in the White House wants to just let it run through our population and turn every city into New York and you'll cheerlead it the whole way.
 
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fskimospy

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There were of course things that could have been done better. Trump does not bare the blame for all of the mistakes made.

Of course no one has tried to blame him for all the mistakes made, that is a straw man. We are blaming him for his mistakes, which are absolutely enormous.

He didn’t just fail to prepare, he actively undermined other people who were trying to prepare.
 
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fskimospy

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Take Trump out of the equation, and the incompetence of de Blasio, and lack of coordination between Albany and NYC, is enough to explain why NYC is a hotspot. I remember when some got all bent out of shape because Trump moved to cancel flight from Europe.

Starbuck when Democratic public officials make mistakes with COVID: ‘well that explains why COVID infections are so bad there’

Starbuck when Trump makes mistakes with COVID: ‘could the government have really done anything to help though?’
 
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Starbuck1975

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The United States is pretty comparable to the UK which is led by another crooked right wing fuck who didn't take it seriously. Canada seems to be doing alright. So Italy fucked up means it's ok that our president fucks us too? Wow only South Korea knew this would be serious is an argument you think absolves our Dear Leader? And now the piece of shit in the White House wants to just let it run through our population and turn every city into New York and you'll cheerlead it the whole way.
No, but I am also being realistic given the nature of this pandemic and the vulnerabilities in our healthcare infrastructure. Sweden has decided to let it burn through and they are a progressive democratic socialist country with a robust health care system and a competent government. A pandemic like this is a humbling reminder of the limitations of science and governments.
 

Starbuck1975

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Starbuck when Democratic public officials make mistakes with COVID: ‘well that explains why COVID infections are so bad there’

Starbuck when Trump makes mistakes with COVID: ‘could the government have really done anything to help though?’
Speaking of strawmen
 
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cytg111

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No, but I am also being realistic given the nature of this pandemic and the vulnerabilities in our healthcare infrastructure. Sweden has decided to let it burn through and they are a progressive democratic socialist country with a robust health care system and a competent government. A pandemic like this is a humbling reminder of the limitations of science and governments.
Your contradict yourself with your own words in a 5 line post.


"There’s a growing media chorus pointing out that Sweden’s relatively relaxed approach to public restrictions amid the coronavirus outbreak is beginning to look like a mistake. "





Are you seriously going to tell my you are not running Breitbart propaganda here, maybe even Russia Today?
 
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Paratus

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Starbuck when Democratic public officials make mistakes with COVID: ‘well that explains why COVID infections are so bad there’

Starbuck when Trump makes mistakes with COVID: ‘could the government have really done anything to help though?’
As I said to be a “both sides independent “
he must excuse the admins incompetence while talking up the previous admins or current liberal problems.

 
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fskimospy

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As I said to be a “both sides independent “
he must excuse the admins incompetence and downplay the previous admins competence.

Oh yes, I totally agree, I’m just kind of amazed that within the same thread he’s argued that government competence doesn’t matter because all countries are in basically the same boat and that incompetent governance in NYC is why the outbreak here is bad.
 
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uallas5

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My second thought is that for everyone who has ever called Trump an authoritarian, this is the biggest contraindication of that yet. He's certainly said some things authoritarian sounding things in the past, but a truly authoritarian leader wouldn't let such a good tragedy go to waste, and certainly wouldn't leave these things up to the states.

What most people don't get is Trump is an authoritarian in the sense that he'll do whatever it takes to help himself and he'll do it with the least amount of work possible. In the case of the coranivirus, there were many authoritarian courses of action he could have taken:
- declare martial law
- do nothing and allow millions to die in an attempt to save the economy
- disregard the CDC and open to early and allow ten of thousands of extra people to die, etc.

The problem with all those authoritarian actions is he would have lost the election come November. Better for him to do as little as possible, blame all his shortcomings on others, constantly move the goalposts of what a successful outcome of all this would be, and keep his base happy with a combination a belligerence at the "fake news media" during his pressers and a constant stream of misinformation and distraction.
 
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