You Trump fluffers are so jealous because in every measure of a human being Obama is so much better then Trump
Once again, only one of them boasted about being in the best shape.Trump is high risk, but you need to stop pretending Obama wasn't. But the press only went wild for one of their doctors as far as I can tell. Pretty telling.
Let me know how many 55 year olds are in this kind of shape...let alone 40 year olds.
Haha you pulled out the "some of my best friends are black" card. Funny stuffOne of my close friends is a late 30's African American. He's fit and strong. He's also already had one heart attack.
Haha you pulled out the "some of my best friends are black" card. Funny stuff
http://www.idph.state.il.us/heartstroke/cvd_aa_fs.htm
"African-American men are especially at risk for dying from CVD. The age-adjusted mortality rate for African American men is 1,023.4/100,000, higher than any other race-gender group."
"African-American women die of heart disease at 1.4 times the rate of white women. African-American men die of heart disease at 1.3 times the rate of white men.*"
https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/heartdisease-stroke/index.html
"Blacks are nearly twice as likely as whites to die from preventable heart disease and stroke."
I don't know why this is an argument or a point of contention? I thought it was fairly well known that African Americans suffer from heart disease at a higher rate than other races. Now, add smoking to that. You guys are trying to water this down.
Trump is high risk, but you need to stop pretending Obama wasn't. But the press only went wild for one of their doctors as far as I can tell. Pretty telling.
Yep. It stinks to high heaven of a scripted press conference.I'm still frustrated that not one of the reporters asked about that initial report with his name misspelled.
intellectual beatdown goes here
I am not kidding. African American males have a high risk for heart disease, smoking compounds that. What is "occasionally" and what do you have to know how often he smoked? I don't know why you guys are trying to water this down, that is high risk. I don't care what Obama or Trump does, but the press has a very clear double standard here.
http://www.idph.state.il.us/heartstroke/cvd_aa_fs.htm
"African-American men are especially at risk for dying from CVD. The age-adjusted mortality rate for African American men is 1,023.4/100,000, higher than any other race-gender group."
"African-American women die of heart disease at 1.4 times the rate of white women. African-American men die of heart disease at 1.3 times the rate of white men.*"
https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/heartdisease-stroke/index.html
"Blacks are nearly twice as likely as whites to die from preventable heart disease and stroke."
I don't know why this is an argument or a point of contention? I thought it was fairly well known that African Americans suffer from heart disease at a higher rate than other races. Now, add smoking to that. You guys are trying to water this down.
Trump is high risk, but you need to stop pretending Obama wasn't. But the press only went wild for one of their doctors as far as I can tell. Pretty telling.
Y'see, Slow, disputes over Obama's health didn't come up because he was relatively young, ate healthily, stayed active and was clearly intelligent.
Trump is in his 70s, obese, eats McDonald's all the time, drinks Diet Coke like it's going out of style, only gets a few hours of sleep each day and uses a vocabulary that makes some 10-year-olds seem erudite. Someone who claims to be the healthiest President ever and does that? They're lying. And if you think it's somehow wrong to challenge the President on that, especially when he has a long, proven history of lying, that's pretty sad.
Lol. AGE ADJUSTED, you dummy. Here's a crappy image from your own link:
What does that show? It shows that age absolutely dwarfs race when it comes to heart disease risk, with those older than 65 (Trump, by a comfortable margin) having a 1,700% greater mortality rate from heart attacks than those under 65 (Obama, by a much more comfortable margin). Your own link shows that Trump's risk is much, much higher than Obama's, yet you tried to claim they should be treated similarly.
Nice self ownage, lol.
lol. PREVENTABLE, you dummy. While that means smoking it also means poor personal habits like obesity, and a sedentary lifestyle. This also relates to the age-adjusted mortality rate from the first quote. As another note, Trump continues to lead this extremely unhealthy lifestyle while Obama quit smoking when he won and I'm not aware of an objective source that says otherwise. After you quit smoking the increased risk of heart disease rapidly decreases. Black people are primarily at greater risk for heart disease because they lead unhealthy lifestyles. Obama does not lead an unhealthy lifestyle, therefore that does not apply. It DOES apply to Trump though, meaning things are even worse for him.
This is a point of contention because you're obviously, comically wrong and your point was disproven by your own link. You're either too stupid or too dishonest to admit it. Again, you owe the press an apology. It does not take House, M.D. to understand that a fit and active 48 year old with a prior history of smoking is not even remotely the same heart disease risk for an obese, sedentary 71 year old.
It is frankly baffling that anyone would even try to make this argument. The dumbness is astounding.
I saw the age line before I posted it. You are missing the point broadly. You also would need to factor smoking into that graph. The whole point of me posting that is to show that African Americans, on the whole, have a higher risk of heart disease and heart disease related events (stroke, aneurysm, etc.) Now, add smoking on top of that.
The whole point is Obama was also high risk of having medical problems. Middle aged African Americans, especially that smoke, are at a high risk. Yet the press didn't hound his doctor about it as far as I can tell. But Trump is old and likes fish fillets.... so get 'em press!
I saw the age line before I posted it. You are missing the point broadly. You also would need to factor smoking into that graph. The whole point of me posting that is to show that African Americans, on the whole, have a higher risk of heart disease and heart disease related events (stroke, aneurysm, etc.) Now, add smoking on top of that.
The whole point is Obama was also high risk of having medical problems. Middle aged African Americans, especially that smoke, are at a high risk. Yet the press didn't hound his doctor about it as far as I can tell. But Trump is old and likes fish fillets.... so get 'em press!
And there is also the earlier establishment of the lie that is Trump's health, from his "fake doctor" that, during the campaign, "wrote" a bizarre letter declaring Trump "positive on all tests!" and "would be the healthiest president that ever lived!"
You know, this is all Trump's doing. If you perceive this as a circus, it's because it is, and it's because Trump wants it that way. Slow and his co-dependents are, of course, perfectly happy with the circus. It keeps them distracted from the abject economic rapery that the GOP is orchestrating on them.
That still doesn't mean that Obama, specifically, was at high risk merely by being black. The doctors are conducting individual assessments, not generalizing based on race. And smoking does elevate risk, I'm not denying that. But there's a difference between that and having every aspect of your lifestyle work against you, which is the case with Trump.
And you know why the press goes after Trump's doctors? First, because Trump has lied about being the healthiest President ever. When someone makes a clearly unsustainable claim like that, they open themselves up to entirely deserved scrutiny. And when there's evidence to suggest the data is fudged (such as that mysterious height increase), plus Trump's history of near-constant lying in other areas of his life, damn straight the press is going to ask questions. That's what good media does -- it's there to challenge discrepancies, not to rubber stamp the official story.
Obama didn't come under such close examination because he didn't make unsupported claims about his health. He freely admitted to smoking; it was patently obvious that he was active and fit. And hey, guess what? He quit smoking in 2011 to be a better role model for his kids. Let me know when Trump decides to stop gorging on fast food, sleep healthy amounts and not waste hours in front of the TV every day.
Once more for you: Obama didn't say he was the most healthy ever.Doctors absolutely do take risk associated with certain groups into consideration for their individual patients. While anyone can get nearly any disease, there is higher prevalence for certain ailments in different demographics, and any good doctor will consider that if the risk is significant. A gay man, as an example, has a higher risk of some diseases than the general population. A female has a much higher rate of breast cancer than men, so that is a check women have as general wellness over a certain age that men do not have (and yes, men can and do get breast cancer, something like 10% of the total breast cancer population is men). This is an example that directly contradicts what you said.
Obama quite in 2011, so that means for three years as POTUS the press didn't hound his doctors about it. I guess that give Trump two more years of eating fish fillets before he has to quit to be as good as Obama?
I am most certainly not missing the point, you were just owned by your own link that you were too stupid or too dishonest to understand. It's very simple:
1) Obama was almost certainly not at 'high risk' as a) you would need to define that and b) by this point in his presidency he had not smoked in over a year and otherwise led a healthy and active lifestyle. I bet you when you factored his entire lifestyle/BMI/etc in he had a lower than normal risk of heart disease/heart attack.
2) Your complaint was that the press treated Trump and Obama differently despite them both being 'high risk'. Even being generous and saying that Obama's race/prior smoking cancels out Trump's obesity and sedentary lifestyle your own link shows someone of Trump's age at an approximately 1,700% higher risk of death by heart attack than Obama. Because the press is not insane they treat something 1,700% more likely to happen more seriously than the alternative.
You fucked up and said something stupid. Why not just stop digging and admit it? Alternatively, try supplying links that don't result in self-ownage like that one, haha. My prediction is that you will never admit fault and will keep flailing further and further downward, claiming that we aren't looking at the 'big picture' or something like that.
Doctors absolutely do take risk associated with certain groups into consideration for their individual patients. While anyone can get nearly any disease, there is higher prevalence for certain ailments in different demographics, and any good doctor will consider that if the risk is significant. A gay man, as an example, has a higher risk of some diseases than the general population. A female has a much higher rate of breast cancer than men, so that is a check women have as general wellness over a certain age that men do not have (and yes, men can and do get breast cancer, something like 10% of the total breast cancer population is men). This is an example that directly contradicts what you said.
Obama quite in 2011, so that means for three years as POTUS the press didn't hound his doctors about it. I guess that give Trump two more years of eating fish fillets before he has to quit to be as good as Obama?
Once more for you: Obama didn't say he was the most healthy ever.
He could live to be 200!
That's something I've never heard from a doctor either. I wonder why.
You said the important part was how the press was treating this.Cool. Now tell me how that matters in any practical sense when it comes to the important part... the POTUS being healthy and able to do his duties and having a good likelihood of living through his term(s).
I watched it. In the context of the talk of Trump's genetics, it was less benign than it would normally have been.He didn’t say that, he said something like do I think he’ll live to 200 sarcastically