Trump Encourages Aggressive Response to Protests

[woolfe9998]

I agree with you that the media’s bias towards sensationalism has made them make dubious coverage choices.

One thing though while yes they should mention they are shooting rubber bullets those are still extremely dangerous and the fact that they are now firing them at protesters many times without provocation is something that absolutely must be told to the public.

Yes, I agree, they definitely should report it. But the headline needs to have "rubber bullets" after the word "shooting" because many people only read headlines and anyone reading the headline will think they're using metal ammunition which is the standard connotation of the unmodified word "shooting."

The thing which bothers me most is, it's not an error. They know exactly how people will read that headline. And they know it's a form of incitement, but they do it anyway. Trump incites for political gain while the media incites for profit? They should be better than this.

 

[Jhhnn]

They can't really ignore them, but they don't have to put them front and center all day, every day, as CNN does, for example. It's a question of emphasis, placement, frequency. CNN is a for profit business who has been making bank off of anti-Trump grievance since day 1, and I think that is influencing their coverage choices, without consideration of the consequences.

Even worse, the media has reported on several incidents of police clashing with rioters by improperly suggesting that the police are trying to harm protesters when they are clearly not. Examples: surrounded police cars moving glacially slow through crowds are said be be "plowing through" said crowds, even while there is zero evidence of death or injury. Or having a headline that says police in Texas are "shooting at protesters" but you find out in paragraph 3, if you bothered to read past the headline, that they're shooting rubber bullets. That is adding kerosene on top of Trump's gasoline.

Every morning I open up cnn.com and I see incitement, whether by bullhorning Trump's own politically motivated incitement, or by adding incitements of their own. It's irresponsible journalism.

Please. The Great Leader put them at the front of the ranks of the Enemies of the People & they have fought back, rightfully so. I don't have to like all they've done to know that's the truth.

 

[eelw]

Well here’s hoping Terrence Floyd’s words convince everyone for peaceful protests.

 

[Moonbeam]

They can't really ignore them, but they don't have to put them front and center all day, every day, as CNN does, for example. It's a question of emphasis, placement, frequency. CNN is a for profit business who has been making bank off of anti-Trump grievance since day 1, and I think that is influencing their coverage choices, without consideration of the consequences.

Even worse, the media has reported on several incidents of police clashing with rioters by improperly suggesting that the police are trying to harm protesters when they are clearly not. Examples: surrounded police cars moving glacially slow through crowds are said be be "plowing through" said crowds, even while there is zero evidence of death or injury. Or having a headline that says police in Texas are "shooting at protesters" but you find out in paragraph 3, if you bothered to read past the headline, that they're shooting rubber bullets. That is adding kerosene on top of Trump's gasoline.

Every morning I open up cnn.com and I see incitement, whether by bullhorning Trump's own politically motivated incitement, or by adding incitements of their own. It's irresponsible journalism.

I was going to say, when I read your first post above about the media toning him down, that it is all part of the built in weakness of our competitive American capitalist culture. Madness has captured enough people to prevent impeachment which will continue to radicalize the left. It is all the inevitability built into the laws we have programmed into the machine. It is hard for a person of vision to turn a battleship. What would you guess? Maybe 2% or less of the population has any real sense and can think beyond their own selfish programmed needs?

"Our culture is insane and we have to find a way to make a living off that insanity. Anybody else will be last in line."

 

[Moonbeam]

Please. The Great Leader put them at the front of the ranks of the Enemies of the People & they have fought back, rightfully so. I don't have to like all they've done to know that's the truth.

Suppose you had a virus that spread via the media. Would you broadcast that fact to the public or maintain radio silence? Now lets say you had a chance by earning money to isolate yourself differently? Whose needs would you think of or even allow to enter your head?

To rightfully fight back has happened because of the nature of our system. We couldn't keep Trump from coming to power or throw him out once he began to destroy the nation.We have made sure that reason has no place in our system. It costs too much.

 

[ondma]

I put considerable blame on the media. We have one station here in the Twin Cities that has nearly 24 hour coverage of the protests/riots. Sure they have a duty to report it, but they play the same scenes of demonstration/confrontation over, and over, and over again. Even worse, they interview "protesters" who are out well past the curfew. I really dont think they should be interviewing (sympathetically BTW, they never say "You do know you are breaking the law?") in this sort of situation.

Now this is not to excuse the cops, or Trumps insane rhetoric, or to deny the right to protest peacefully at allowed times, but that station, especially, is almost at the point of glorifying violence.

 

[quikah]

It is kind of astounding, he could have literally won his re-election by acting in a rational manner. Instead he seems to think he needs to pander to his base. I didn't think I could have a lower opinion of him, but he just keeps proving me wrong every day.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I put considerable blame on the media. We have one station here in the Twin Cities that has nearly 24 hour coverage of the protests/riots. Sure they have a duty to report it, but they play the same scenes of demonstration/confrontation over, and over, and over again. Even worse, they interview "protesters" who are out well past the curfew. I really dont think they should be interviewing (sympathetically BTW, they never say "You do know you are breaking the law?") in this sort of situation.

Now this is not to excuse the cops, or Trumps insane rhetoric, or to deny the right to protest peacefully at allowed times, but that station, especially, is almost at the point of glorifying violence.

If it bleeds, it leads.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

 

[VRAMdemon]

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He thinks the governors are all a bunch of pansies and they’d better get tuff and start arresting people and the states are on their own.

He wants to look like an alpha male stereotype but doesn't want to take responsibility. He's hoping a governor or three will take the hint and publicly ask him to deploy ground units (and not just MPs) on their behalf.

That puts the responsibility on the governors and he gets to play Mr Tough Guy on TV. There's very little chance he'll call up those military units on his own without some kind of request so there is somebody to blame if it all goes to shit.

Why he thinks a governor would ask for something like that is beyond me, but so is a lot of Trump's 19th level strategy.

This is why he has turned over the management of COVID opening-closing-assembly-etc. rules to the governors. So if it all goes to shit, it will be their fault, not his. Nothing is ever his fault. Of course, if all goes well, then he will take all the credit.

 

[soundforbjt]

It is kind of astounding, he could have literally won his re-election by acting in a rational manner. Instead he seems to think he needs to pander to his base. I didn't think I could have a lower opinion of him, but he just keeps proving me wrong every day.

He always has to pander to his base. They elected him and he hopes they will again. He only needs a few thousand votes in the right states and he's back for round two. Things that would trigger voters in the past to demand a candidate removed from consideration are passe in the age of Trump. His base would consider him weak if he showed any empathy and he can't risk that.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Tom Cotton is suggesting that air and paratrooper strikes on American cities from the U.S. Air Force are needed to end the protests. Yeah, that's not fascist at all. These Trump sycophants are getting nuttier every day.

https://twitter.com/TomCottonAR/stat...48171636174848

 

[senseamp]

#45 is in the bunker hiding from anti-fascists like it's 1945.

 

[interchange]

Do you think those same people thought the armed protesters threatening the Michigan legislature into closing down should have been resolved by force? I suspect they did not.

I suspect they did. Except they wanted the protesters' force to provide the resolution.

But I think what you are suggesting is that people differently apply their willingness to treat others with force dependent upon their capacity to empathize with them. To that, I say "duh". Yes, it is a problem that some people have greater difficulty identifying and empathizing with black men being murdered by police than police who have stood by idly while this is happening. No, that does not mean they want black men murdered by police. Some do, but not most.

Doc, there is no agree to disagree over killing a black man in custody with knee on neck.

I don't think there is any viewpoint which I can accept which does not condemn Floyd's murder either. What I am speaking to are people who agree with this yet are more compelled to attend to looting and the desire to stop it by force, losing sight of their compassion for Floyd.

 

[conehead433]

So Trump encourages racial violence and encourages protests, and then wants the protesters shot. Oh wait, this is same person who placed a full page ad in the NYT calling for the execution of the Central Park five, later all proved innocent. I can't wait until he is out of office.

 

[K1052]

He always has to pander to his base. They elected him and he hopes they will again. He only needs a few thousand votes in the right states and he's back for round two. Things that would trigger voters in the past to demand a candidate removed from consideration are passe in the age of Trump. His base would consider him weak if he showed any empathy and he can't risk that.

The bigger point is that he's actively picked the narrowest possible route to re-election by banking on re-creating 2016. This is not sound strategy but try convincing someone who is enamored with their own brilliance which they've mistaken for sheer luck.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Idiots seem to be calling for Kent State all over the country. Let's hope cooler heads prevail.

You know I would bet Trump might be using this as a means to figure out how to postpone the elections in November.....

 

[Moonbeam]

The way I see it is like this: Protestors are like having a mosquito land on your arm. I would just slap it dead. But then there is always some asshole who comes along and explains about reincarnation and how the mosquito could be my Mother. I just don't fucking want to hear that. Now all of a sudden I know I'm in for a lot of inconvenience and unwanted effort figuring out what to do. And all of this will just go away if I can get someone to slap it for me. Any sycophants here hungry for praise?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Like it or not there are a ton of people out there with the view that tensions can only be eased once someone wrangles control over the situation by force. We all see the problem with violence and destruction of property. Threats and escalation are not the way, but I do not see most people who jump to a show of force as response here as representing different interests. Certainly some do, and there is no reason based on history we should accept Trump as a capable leader regardless of his intent. For the rest, I hope we can at least get to a place of "agree to disagree" instead of further dividing the nation.

People like Trump do not exist without DIVISION!! I guarantee you that Trump deep down does not want any changes and I would bet that behind close doors he is happy when he hears that another black person has been shot!!
When you have sick [people like that in charge -- they do not want things to change! All they want is for the rioting to stop so they can continue to sweep the abuse under the rug!
I have read nowhere from any Republican especially Trump that if the protesting stops there will be reforms or even talks with minority leaders!

 

[JEDIYoda]

They can't really ignore them, but they don't have to put them front and center all day, every day, as CNN does, for example. It's a question of emphasis, placement, frequency. CNN is a for profit business who has been making bank off of anti-Trump grievance since day 1, and I think that is influencing their coverage choices, without consideration of the consequences. -- I think you do not know what you are talking about....

Even worse, the media has reported on several incidents of police clashing with rioters by improperly suggesting that the police are trying to harm protesters when they are clearly not. Examples: surrounded police cars moving glacially slow through crowds are said be be "plowing through" said crowds, even while there is zero evidence of death or injury. --- your example the way yuo tell it is an outright lie.....

Or having a headline that says police in Texas are "shooting at protesters" but you find out in paragraph 3, if you bothered to read past the headline, that they're shooting rubber bullets. That is adding kerosene on top of Trump's gasoline. -- again that is another outright lie! also there have been shooting deaths of black people with real bullets.....why are you not being truthful???

Every morning I open up cnn.com and I see incitement, whether by bullhorning Trump's own politically motivated incitement, or by adding incitements of their own. It's irresponsible journalism. -- CNN is very responsible journalism.....they are showing all side compared to FOX....

FOX news is accurate in what way? Please explain....using facts...

 

[interchange]

People like Trump do not exist without DIVISION!! I guarantee you that Trump deep down does not want any changes and I would bet that behind close doors he is happy when he hears that another black person has been shot!!
When you have sick [people like that in charge -- they do not want things to change! All they want is for the rioting to stop so they can continue to sweep the abuse under the rug!
I have read nowhere from any Republican especially Trump that if the protesting stops there will be reforms or even talks with minority leaders!

We absolutely need to select and hold accountable our leadership or lack thereof. Key to that is engaging those in the public who have the privilege of viewing these happenings from a difference, understanding their will for control, and enlisting their voices in communicating that a different kind of leadership is needed.

 

[woolfe9998]

FOX news is accurate in what way? Please explain....using facts...

I never said anything about Fox News. I haven't even read or watched it recently. I already know how they are covering this without even seeing it. Fox News is propaganda. CNN is at least nominally supposed to be real news.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I never said anything about Fox News. I haven't even read or watched it recently. I already know how they are covering this without even seeing it. Fox News is propaganda. CNN is at least nominally supposed to be real news.

You know i do get your point sort of......but we all know that rubber bullets are being used....I dare say they don1t need to point that pout every freaking time......in fact alot of different news cres on the ground have been shot with rubber bullets....thankfully they were not real bullets!

 

[woolfe9998]

You know i do get your point sort of......but we all know that rubber bullets are being used....I dare say they don1t need to point that pout every freaking time......in fact alot of different news cres on the ground have been shot with rubber bullets....thankfully they were not real bullets!

No I don't think we do know. When the headline says "police shooting at protesters" people are more likely to assume it's metal ammunition, though I agree some people might think it's rubber bullets.

That one wasn't CNN IIRC. I think it was yahoo news. CNN was the one saying a police car was "plowing through" protesters when the car was moving 1 MPH and no one was getting seriously hurt.

This isn't about strict accuracy for accuracy sake, though I do think that is important for the news media. It's that here the inaccuracies may encourage further rioting.

 

[JEDIYoda]

No I don't think we do know. When the headline says "police shooting at protesters" people are more likely to assume it's metal ammunition, though I agree some people might think it's rubber bullets.

That one wasn't CNN IIRC. I think it was yahoo news. CNN was the one saying a police car was "plowing through" protesters when the car was moving 1 MPH and no one was getting seriously hurt.

This isn't about strict accuracy for accuracy sake, though I do think that is important for the news media. It's that here the inaccuracies may encourage further rioting.

I understand what you are saying!! Stay safe!!