Trump Encourages Aggressive Response to Protests

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woolfe9998

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Yep... cracking down on mostly urban protestors in particular is likely a half-assed attempt to curry favor with educated white suburban voters. It's a demographic that's been bleeding away from the Republicans the last couple of years, either in terms of voting against them or just failing to turn out because many of them just plain don't like Trump. The thought is no doubt that worried, nervous suburbanites who hate disruption in any form may respond positively to tough talk about rioters. And Trump can't sell the idea that he's the man you want in charge during a national crisis. We all have seen how well that worked out.

I seriously doubt Trump actually wants a race war; bad for business after all. For the most part disruptions to the economy interfere with him making money, which I imagine is his first, last and only true love. He wants cover for his grifting most of all. He simply seems to be thinking no further than making whatever statements he guesses his supporters want to hear. I'm sure even he recognizes that his favoribility rating among people of color is something like what, 7%? Sure, go ahead and bash 'em, they're a writeoff anyway.

Trump panders to his supporting base every waking moment. He saw the protesters with guns demanding that states be reopened and loved that image. In his brain he sees those same guns being turned on the Floyd protesters, who were conspicuously unarmed. That's a win-win moment for him.

Remember that he has no sense of tomorrow. He doesn't care about consequences. He wants what he wants right this moment. And he wants "law and order." So did Nixon. We know how that turned out.

Agreed on all points. I will add, however, that he really doesn't want "law and order" per se. He certainly doesn't want to have to obey the law himself. So I'd say it's more "order" than "law" which he desires. Order without law is called tyranny, where the tyrant is above his own "law."

Conservatives style themselves as rule of law people, until a republican, especially Trump, is breaking the law.

Further evidence of the insincerity of their "law and order" disposition is their tendency to support things like vigilantism (as with Arbury and Martin). Or, for that matter, the death penalty.

Here is what appeals to them about "law and order": punishment, especially the harsh kind. And especially for the kinds of people who aren't in the right tribe. The law must be administered dispassionately to work. It isn't about one's emotional need for retribution, to see people "fry" because it makes them feel better.

Sorry, I'm aware that last part was tangential to your excellent post.
 

JEDIYoda

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Truck loads of National Guard have been deployed around the White House. Things are going to get worse before they get better.
I have a theory......they waited to deploy the National Guard, because the rioters can`t riot forever.........so the rioters don`t come out tonight or maybe tom orrow night. But Once they have recuperated and re-organized it is off top the races....also they could also wait for the NG to leave!
Then again, Asa country we are in big trouble and I mean serious trouble if the murderer gets acquitted.......I mean rasal big trouble asd a country!
 

Artorias

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I have a theory......they waited to deploy the National Guard, because the rioters can`t riot forever.........so the rioters don`t come out tonight or maybe tom orrow night. But Once they have recuperated and re-organized it is off top the races....also they could also wait for the NG to leave!
Then again, Asa country we are in big trouble and I mean serious trouble if the murderer gets acquitted.......I mean rasal big trouble asd a country!

That trial is going to be held at a military base. No fuckin way the public gets even close to this.
 

Bitek

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Trump's criminal, treasonous buddies get convicted for collusion, lying and defrauding the US while trying to cheat an election and make a buck....
Trump says totally unfair. Life shouldn't be ruined.

But street protestors should be shot and/or sent to jail for a decade....

... While Manafort only got 7 yrs.


Yeah. No wonder people pissed
 

hal2kilo

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Louisville, KY is looking grim tonight. Shots (like guns) fired. Shots were fired last night and got a restaurant owner killed.
 

VRAMdemon

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Agreed on all points. I will add, however, that he really doesn't want "law and order" per se. He certainly doesn't want to have to obey the law himself. So I'd say it's more "order" than "law" which he desires. Order without law is called tyranny, where the tyrant is above his own "law."

Conservatives style themselves as rule of law people, until a republican, especially Trump, is breaking the law.

Further evidence of the insincerity of their "law and order" disposition is their tendency to support things like vigilantism (as with Arbury and Martin). Or, for that matter, the death penalty.

Here is what appeals to them about "law and order": punishment, especially the harsh kind. And especially for the kinds of people who aren't in the right tribe. The law must be administered dispassionately to work. It isn't about one's emotional need for retribution, to see people "fry" because it makes them feel better.

Sorry, I'm aware that last part was tangential to your excellent post.

I agree...I should have stipulated ...His specific brand of despot like "law and order". Control by force and intimidation.

But having said that, the violence and destruction have to stop. Peaceful protest is a vital part of any nation that actually values the rule of law, as opposed to paying it lip service. George Floyd's brother spoke this afternoon and calmed the waters somewhat in Minneapolis . He entered the crowd to not loot or tear apart their community, pointing out that he wasn't doing it. Protesters need to channel their energies more productively

And I'm going to question why peaceful protest needs to happen after dark. Darkness brings out the opportunists and the agent provocateur types. Photographic evidence isn't as clear. March in the daylight. Otherwise you're just helping the fascist types, who can easily stage false-flag incidents in the darkness. If peaceful protesters are treated unjustly during the daylight hours, The emperor has no clothes. But if peaceful protesters stay out after dark the chances are better to frame them for crimes. Hopefully if people continue to protest peacefully they catch on to the tactic quite fast. If they protest peacefully during the day, March peacefully, taking knees, etc. then go home before the sun goes down, it leaves only the rabble rousers behind with their slips showing.
 
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Paratus

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the MAGAchuds wll only see what FOX allows them to see. The archdiocese will never appear on their airwaves. Gassing protesters (and apparently clergy who were also out there, giving aid) so that emporer Trump can have his photo op is the saintly thing to do.
You know there are posters here who got so hard when when they saw him have those peaceful protesters “dispersed”.
 

Muse

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Trump has one thing that worries him more than anything... every day. The corona virus pandemic killing 104,000 in the United States and rising, riots now every day in all major American cities for a whole week with no sign of abating? Those things don't really concern him. What worries him is his 10% gap in the polls. His tweets (108 one day last week), the things he does daily, are increasingly desperate attempts to narrow that gap.

He looked like a dead duck in the summer of 2016. Nothing was working. Then he brought in Steve Bannon. His hope this week is to get steam from public resentment concerning the protests and rioting. His goal is to blame his political opposition, make no mistake, because that's the only thing he cares to do, fundamentally.

 

shortylickens

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Muse

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Yes, I agree, they definitely should report it. But the headline needs to have "rubber bullets" after the word "shooting" because many people only read headlines and anyone reading the headline will think they're using metal ammunition which is the standard connotation of the unmodified word "shooting."

The thing which bothers me most is, it's not an error. They know exactly how people will read that headline. And they know it's a form of incitement, but they do it anyway. Trump incites for political gain while the media incites for profit? They should be better than this.
I noticed this and it's one reason I don't hang around CNN.
 

Muse

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#45 is in the bunker hiding from anti-fascists like it's 1945.
oooo... time for an executive order designating ANTIFA a terrorist organization... never mind that it's not an organization of any kind.
 

Vic

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oooo... time for an executive order designating ANTIFA a terrorist organization... never mind that it's not an organization of any kind.
But but then how can Republican congressmen demand extrajudicial killings of American citizens whose politics they disagree with?

People aren't taking this out-in-the-open threat to our freedoms seriously. This isn't about antifa. This is about govt seeking the power to label any citizen they disagree with a 'terrorist' and dealing with them accordingly. Right-wingers are stupid if they think this can't or won't be used against them.
 
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Muse

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Just got in from grocery shopping and turn on the TV, and there's the Orange Menace brandishing a bible for fucking Christ Sake. What's the message numbnuts?
That was a low point in American history. Uh, isn't there supposed to be a division between religion and state?
 

nickqt

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But but then how can Republican congressmen demand extrajudicial killings of American citizens whose politics they disagree with?
Cult Leader said back in 2016 he could shoot someone and not lose voters, and the Cult Followers are going to cheer on any politicians with the balls to call for the killing of American citizens they consider others.
 

Muse

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My p[oint zstill stands of this murderer walks all hell will break loose......
Well, the maximum sentence for 3rd degree murder will be 35 years, I heard (don't know if the 2nd degree manslaughter is factored into that). The penalty will have an impact on the public's reaction... I do expect some kind of conviction. There's still the question of the other 3 cops being prosecuted. That has not been determined.
 

Muse

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Trump's criminal, treasonous buddies get convicted for collusion, lying and defrauding the US while trying to cheat an election and make a buck....
Trump says totally unfair. Life shouldn't be ruined.

But street protestors should be shot and/or sent to jail for a decade....

... While Manafort only got 7 yrs.


Yeah. No wonder people pissed
I believe that Manafort was released from confinement about 10 days ago.
 

Muse

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well, we did vote in 2016 and that didnt seem to do much.
I'm not at all surprised theres so many protests in 2020. That at least FEELS like doing something, even if its not effective.
It didn't look like Trump had a chance at election time in 2016. I don't think anybody is going to think that way this time, doesn't matter what the polls say. People who dislike him, who strongly oppose him, won't be happy until he has a stake driven through his craven heart.
 
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