Trump finally admits what we all knew..." I’m a nationalist, okay?"

[SlowSpyder]

I understood exactly what you said. The problem is that Trump has fooled you into thinking that "at America's expense" means that previous deals were at the US' expense, and that fair deals mean you have to antagonize your closest allies. Creating jobs in the US doesn't mean screwing over your neighbors.

Nationalism doesn't necessarily involve racism, but it's always bad. Nationalism involves meaningless jingoism (like, say, "make America great again"). It means slavish, unquestioning patriotism that sees helpful criticism as betrayal. It means self-centeredness to the detriment of humanity at large. And nationalism has been at the heart of the world's largest wars and worst atrocities.

Not at America's expense means vetting who we allow into the country. It means being realistic about extremism. And yes, of course it means having trade deals that benefit us. I'm not one for run away patriotism, nationalism, symbolism, etc. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with the president of a country being pro-that country, being a "nationalist" for his/her country. The left has gone extreme on this issue in my opinion. One can be for their country doing well on the world stage without being Hitler.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not at America's expense means vetting who we allow into the country. It means being realistic about extremism. And yes, of course it means having trade deals that benefit us. I'm not one for run away patriotism, nationalism, symbolism, etc. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with the president of a country being pro-that country, being a "nationalist" for his/her country. The left has gone extreme on this issue in my opinion. One can be for their country doing well on the world stage without being Hitler.

And they can do it w/o acting quite so much like the infamous nationalist demagogues of the past.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Oh look, this debate again.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/patriotism-vs-nationalism

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-if-any-between-nationalism-and-patriotism

Patriotism and nationalism are not interchangeable, haven't been for a while, but long ago were

Trump is not the fool he wants others to think he is. This statement by him, specifically, is how he panders to white supremacists.

 

[zinfamous]

It is absolutely mind boggling. The president of America is pro-America and wants the country to excel. The left of common sense liberals have a problem with that. Extraordinary times we're living in.

And for added bonus the racists are trying to make this about race.

You have just invented a reality that does not exist anywhere, only to argue against it.

Good job. No one takes you seriously, for you are a complete fool.

 

[thilanliyan]

I'd say so far the things he's done, at least while in office, have been to that direction, yes.

Alienating allies and cozying up/bowing down to dictators? How does that help America?

 

[HomerJS]

Well duh, America first has been his goal since before he was elected. Being for America does not mean being anti-minority.

But siding with Putin over your own countries intelligence agencies is anti-American

 

[HomerJS]

And there we go. This thread is really a very thinly veiled weak sauce attempt to attack Trump for the sport of doing so and nothing more.

I bet Trump has contributed orders of magnitude more than you to America's economy. How many jobs have you created?

Tears down rule of law? What are you smoking, you're on some bad stuff bud.

I bet many in this forum have contributed more to the ideals of what America is and what it strives to be then Trump ever has or could even understand.

 

[FIVR]

Examples?

He supports protectionist trade policies and subsidies for farmers and such. All of that is socialist garbage.

 

[Ajay]

Oh look, this debate again.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/patriotism-vs-nationalism

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-if-any-between-nationalism-and-patriotism

Patriotism and nationalism are not interchangeable, haven't been for a while, but long ago were

Trump is not the fool he wants others to think he is. This statement by him, specifically, is how he panders to white supremacists.

Gotta get out the vote for the midterms!

 

[Blackjack200]

He supports protectionist trade policies and subsidies for farmers and such. All of that is socialist garbage.

Ahh yes, chapter 3 of Das Kapital: Protectionist Trade Policies and Subsidies for Farmers and Such.

 

[Bitek]

IMO, he brought this out so he needs to go all in on racism because his tax cuts for billionaires is unpopular, his trade war is a failure and the market sucks.

He has 0 other accomplishments as president to run on.

Of course the dopes will eat it up tho.

 

[Jhhnn]

Slow sez we need to be realistic about extremism and sees no irony in it at all.

Oh, and Libs are the real Nazis.

 

[Viper1j]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ngerous-racial-divide/?utm_term=.a860808f723a

The Washington Post and the New York Times both wrote Monday night about President Trump’s increasingly overt attempts to divide the American electorate by stoking racial fears. That same night, Trump used a very telling word that both confirms that narrative and threatens to divide our country even more.

Trump decided to call himself a “nationalist.”

“A globalist is a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly, not caring about our country so much. And you know what? We can’t have that,” Trump said at a rally in Texas. “You know, they have a word — it’s sort of became old-fashioned — it’s called a ‘nationalist.' And I say, really, we’re not supposed to use that word. You know what I am? I’m a nationalist, okay? I’m a nationalist. Nationalist. Nothing wrong. Use that word. Use that word.”

Bannon and the White supremacists can be proud. It's not like we didn't already know.

We always knew..

 

[kage69]

Until dipshit starts annexing other countries and implementing wide scale genocide, can we please stop giving his brainless followers ammo with all the Hitler comparisons? Pretty fucking please?

Quit eating that paint Viper.

 

[Viper1j]

Until dipshit starts annexing other countries and implementing wide scale genocide, can we please stop giving his brainless followers ammo with all the Hitler comparisons? Pretty fucking please?

Quit eating that paint Viper.

Let's see..

Hitler hated Jews..

Trump hates Muslims.

Hitler wanted to ban/deport Jews.

Trump wants to ban/deport Muslims. And Mexicans

Hitler searched birth records to locate Jews.

Trump wants to search employment records to find Muslims.

Hitler made Germans give the "Seig Heil" salute.

Trump made his followers (cult?) give the "Sieg Heil" salute

Hitler seized assets from Jews.

Trump wants to seize Muslim assets. (Keep their oil)

When mass deportations failed, Hitler sent them to the camps.

When mass deportations fail, what do you think Trump will do?

It's a historical fact as to how the Jews were treated in the camps.

Trump wants to "torture and a whole lot more".

Hitler supported incest as part of the eugenics program. Hoping to make a "pure" Master Race.

Trump has said many, many times on national tv how much he wants to bang his own daughter.

All that's missing, is the funny mustache. Maybe he can get Dr. Carson to be his Mengele For Muslims.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You have just invented a reality that does not exist anywhere, only to argue against it.

Good job. No one takes you seriously, for you are a complete fool.

Yet you're on my dick in every thread.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being pro-America as the American president. That some here have an issue with that really is crazy to me.

 

[SlowSpyder]

We always knew..

I love the Hitler comparisons. It shows what melodramatic fools you guys are on the left. There's a great big world out there outside of mom's basement.

 

[Viper1j]

I love the Hitler comparisons. It shows what melodramatic fools you guys are on the left. There's a great big world out there outside of mom's basement.

Then why haven't you moved out?

 

[kage69]

Let's see..

Hitler hated Jews..

Trump hates Muslims.

Hitler wanted to ban/deport Jews.

Trump wants to ban/deport Muslims. And Mexicans

Hitler searched birth records to locate Jews.

Trump wants to search employment records to find Muslims.

Hitler made Germans give the "Seig Heil" salute.

Trump made his followers (cult?) give the "Sieg Heil" salute

Hitler seized assets from Jews.

Trump wants to seize Muslim assets. (Keep their oil)

When mass deportations failed, Hitler sent them to the camps.

When mass deportations fail, what do you think Trump will do?

It's a historical fact as to how the Jews were treated in the camps.

Trump wants to "torture and a whole lot more".

Hitler supported incest as part of the eugenics program. Hoping to make a "pure" Master Race.

Trump has said many, many times on national tv how much he wants to bang his own daughter.

All that's missing, is the funny mustache. Maybe he can get Dr. Carson to be his Mengele For Muslims.

It's like you're trying to be dismissed as a complete moron.

Dabbling with fascism does not a Holocaust make, and your collection of historical chestnuts (some woefully inarticulate or flat out wrong) does nothing to prove your point, or answer mine.

I'll say it again: stop trying to produce sympathy for Trump. We should be able to agree he doesn't need your help with base relations, right?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Let's see..

Hitler hated Jews..

Trump hates Muslims.

Hitler wanted to ban/deport Jews.

Trump wants to ban/deport Muslims. And Mexicans

Hitler searched birth records to locate Jews.

Trump wants to search employment records to find Muslims.

Hitler made Germans give the "Seig Heil" salute.

Trump made his followers (cult?) give the "Sieg Heil" salute

Hitler seized assets from Jews.

Trump wants to seize Muslim assets. (Keep their oil)

When mass deportations failed, Hitler sent them to the camps.

When mass deportations fail, what do you think Trump will do?

It's a historical fact as to how the Jews were treated in the camps.

Trump wants to "torture and a whole lot more".

Hitler supported incest as part of the eugenics program. Hoping to make a "pure" Master Race.

Trump has said many, many times on national tv how much he wants to bang his own daughter.

All that's missing, is the funny mustache. Maybe he can get Dr. Carson to be his Mengele For Muslims.

Awesome... You honestly believe this stuff. Frightening, absolutely frightening.

 

[Greenman]

I looked up nationalist to be sure it means what I thought it means. I have no issue at all with Trump making that statement. I would actually expect the president to be a nationalist.

 

[umbrella39]

You have just invented a reality that does not exist anywhere, only to argue against it.

Good job. No one takes you seriously, for you are a complete fool.

He's stuck in Geosurface mode... I was a liberal before I saw the Trump light... People should really just ignore him. It'll force a change of socks...

 

[Greenman]

I understood exactly what you said. The problem is that Trump has fooled you into thinking that "at America's expense" means that previous deals were at the US' expense, and that fair deals mean you have to antagonize your closest allies. Creating jobs in the US doesn't mean screwing over your neighbors.

Nationalism doesn't necessarily involve racism, but it's always bad. Nationalism involves meaningless jingoism (like, say, "make America great again"). It means slavish, unquestioning patriotism that sees helpful criticism as betrayal. It means self-centeredness to the detriment of humanity at large. And nationalism has been at the heart of the world's largest wars and worst atrocities.

You're describing extremists. Nationalism simply means my country first. My friends, my neighbors, my fellow Americans. It doesn't preclude helping another country or people in need, it doesn't require us to close the borders and require everything be made here. Yes, it can be taken to an extreme, as anything can.
I know we all want to paint the worst picture because Trump said it, but at some point we have to realize we can't redefine every word he says to justify our hatred of him.

 

[IronWing]

You're describing extremists. Nationalism simply means my country first. My friends, my neighbors, my fellow Americans. It doesn't preclude helping another country or people in need, it doesn't require us to close the borders and require everything be made here. Yes, it can be taken to an extreme, as anything can.
I know we all want to paint the worst picture because Trump said it, but at some point we have to realize we can't redefine every word he says to justify our hatred of him.

The term nationalist has been used by rightwing extremists and applied to rightwing extremists for decades, maybe for over a century.

 

[UberNeuman]

You're describing extremists. Nationalism simply means my country first. My friends, my neighbors, my fellow Americans. It doesn't preclude helping another country or people in need, it doesn't require us to close the borders and require everything be made here. Yes, it can be taken to an extreme, as anything can.
I know we all want to paint the worst picture because Trump said it, but at some point we have to realize we can't redefine every word he says to justify our hatred of him.

lol.