Trump finally admits what we all knew..." I’m a nationalist, okay?"

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SlowSpyder

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na·tion·al·ist
/ˈnaSH(ə)nələst/
noun
  1. 1.
    a person who advocates political independence for a country.
    "a Scottish nationalist"
adjective
  1. 1.
    relating to nationalists or nationalism.
 

Greenman

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The term nationalist has been used by rightwing extremists and applied to rightwing extremists for decades, maybe for over a century.
I checked Merriam Websters, the definition I found is the same as I was taught in school back in the dark ages. That's what I'm going with.
 

Jhhnn

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I looked up nationalist to be sure it means what I thought it means. I have no issue at all with Trump making that statement. I would actually expect the president to be a nationalist.

Excuse me, but the recent history of self proclaimed "Nationalism" in this country is that of White Nationalism. The modern expression of that is the right wing culture war being waged against the rest of America. It's couched in different terms but that's what it is. Trump knows his audience better than they know themselves. Don't pretend otherwise.

It's also highly amusing that the people falling for it were talking about secession just a few years ago...
 

SlowSpyder

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Nationalism ≠ white nationalism. Trump did not use the word in any such context, you guys are again creating a caricature of things Trump said or does and then attacking that caricature as if it were actually reality, as I've said you do in the past. You only see through very blue colored lenses.
 

Jhhnn

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Nationalism ≠ white nationalism. Trump did not use the word in any such context, you guys are again creating a caricature of things Trump said or does and then attacking that caricature as if it were actually reality, as I've said you do in the past. You only see through very blue colored lenses.

We know you heard the dog whistle, slow. Don't be coy about it.
 

sactoking

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na·tion·al·ist
/ˈnaSH(ə)nələst/
noun
  1. 1.
    a person who advocates political independence for a country.
    "a Scottish nationalist"
adjective
  1. 1.
    relating to nationalists or nationalism.

So which part of the country is the unindicted co-conspirator advocating for independence?
 
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Who could have foreseen that we'd have the whole gang of dipshits in trying to quibble over what defines nationalism?!?

Holy shit, you idiots really are like Pavlovian Dog level of predictable.
 

ImpulsE69

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I don't care what he says anymore, the guy is a con artist...and apparently the populous is much much dumber than I could have ever imagined. (Probably the same people buying those mega lotto tickets)
 

ImpulsE69

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I wasn't a Trump guy either, but then I see how the liberals think today. Threads like this. How dare the POTUS want the nation he is elected to lead do well. There is nothing wrong with this, I honestly am baffled that this is an issue to you.

He doesn't want THIS country to do well. He wants HIMSELF to do well. That is the difference. He could give 2 turds about you.
 

mikeymikec

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I wonder where Trump will go with this: The stereotypical misnomer naming scheme (such as national socialist, perhaps the American Democratic Republic), or maybe a "America for Americans" type slogan? It isn't a bad slogan as far as stepping-stone dog whistles go, and it's suitable as a moronic chant for his followers to learn for his regular adoration ceremonies, while being fondly reminded of its historical implications yet claiming that it's nothing like that.

LOL @ Slow's attempt to use the "a person who advocates political independence for a country" definition, whichever way you choose to look at it:
1 - In firm solidarity with the notion that the US will be an independent nation some day! Those uppity colonials. We Brits ought to do something about them before they get any ideas.
2 - In firm solidarity with the notion that the US will be free of Russia's influence some day!
 
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Oh look, this debate again.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/patriotism-vs-nationalism

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-if-any-between-nationalism-and-patriotism

Patriotism and nationalism are not interchangeable, haven't been for a while, but long ago were

Trump is not the fool he wants others to think he is. This statement by him, specifically, is how he panders to white supremacists.


I suppose it's a matter of generation and what you are used to, and I absolutely hate to agree with him about anything, but the definition 'slow' gave is the one I grew up with. Nationalism was what the subject peoples of the British, and other European Empires, had as they tried to achieve self-determination. Hence Irish Nationalism, The Indian _National_ Congress, Arab nationalism, etc. We still have the Scottish Nationalists. Patriotism, on the other hand, was the slightly smug and chauvinist attitude of established imperial powers convinced their country was the best. Thus nationalism good, patriotism bad.

That Mirriam-Webster explanation is very interesting, especially the bit about nationalism being a political movement. I think that's a crucial characteristic whether it takes a 'progressive' or reactionary form.

I actually wonder if it's something to do with the difference between a nation and a country. A nation consists of a people, (you don't even need a country, e.g. Nation of Islam) allegiance to a nation means prioritising your membership of that group of people, and so carries an intrinsically populist element (which, crucially, could be left or right), whereas patriotism, love of 'country' is more about an institutional allegiance, and is a feature of people who feel they already securely _have_ a country not just a people, and a belief that the particular institutions of your country are superior.

A patriot loves what they see as the values and institutions that they see (almost certainly wrongly) as uniquely a feature of their country, a nationalist probably mostly loves something they consider a defining characteristic of their people (which in the case of US and Europe is very likely to include whiteness)

To embrace nationalism while being a citizen of a country that is already independent and under no existential threat suggests power combined with fear, a power that doesn't realise it's a power, a group who _think_ they are victims when they aren't, really. Which seems exactly right for Trumpism.
 
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ch33zw1z

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I live in the here and now. Based on my links, so does Merriam-webster.

Not disagreeing overall, just live in the present
 
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zinfamous

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Yet you're on my dick in every thread.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being pro-America as the American president. That some here have an issue with that really is crazy to me.

your confusion is that you think that Trump is pro-American. He isn't. Actions speak louder than words, and if you cared, you would actually spend a few minutes investigating this man and his life-long behavior.

Trump is Pro-Trump first, pro-Trump, second, and pro-Trump until the end. He fucking told you this at the RNC in 2016, he yelled it loudly to everyone's faces, and you didn't fucking pay any attention.

Look, what is above the US, here? What is given precedence?



All of this has real, intentional meaning. This was designed and staged for a very specific reason. You ate up the "Strong man!" image, failing to appreciate the actual history of this type of design. Only despots stage events like this.
 

SlowSpyder

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So which part of the country is the unindicted co-conspirator advocating for independence?


We are trying to be independent from globalism, less dependent on foreign nations for energy, not taken advantage of in regards to trade.
 

VRAMdemon

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Does Trump know how many autocratic dictators like to use the term "nationalist"..er..I think he does. All these "nationalist" type dictators seem to be his favorite leaders.

And..How is Trump not a globalist?!..He has "business deals all over the world. Loans all over the world. International hotels with his brand and holdings. A bunch of golf courses all over the world. His MAGA crap is made overseas . His family has clothing lines made overseas and business all over the world. He hires immigrant labor in his hotels and properties. What a joke
 

pcgeek11

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I see nothing wrong with being a Nationalist. Mostly the term has been abused by those on the left.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalism

The Difference Between Nationalism, Patriotism, Sectionalism, and Jingoism
Nationalism has a number of near-synonyms, each of which carries its own distinct meaning. Patriotism is similar insofar as it emphasizes strong feelings for one’s country, but it does not necessarily imply an attitude of superiority. Sectionalism resembles nationalism in its suggestion of a geopolitical group pursuing its self-interest, but the group in question is usually smaller than an entire nation. Jingoism closely resembles nationalism in suggesting feelings of cultural superiority, but unlike nationalism, it always implies military aggressiveness.
 

K1052

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President claims that he doesn't know about nationalist having a racist connotation after acting like he broke a taboo about calling himself a nationalist. I don't know how fucking stupid the people who support him think we are but I know the regard he has for the US population at large.
 

SlowSpyder

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President claims that he doesn't know about nationalist having a racist connotation after acting like he broke a taboo about calling himself a nationalist. I don't know how fucking stupid the people who support him think we are but I know the regard he has for the US population at large.

Projection.
 
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