Trump finally admits what we all knew..." I’m a nationalist, okay?"

[jackstar7]

I’m not following what is bad about this? I’d hope our president puts the US before other countries. He’s POTUS after all is he not?

UC and SlowSpyder coming out into the light.

Emboldened even!

 

[SlowSpyder]

UC and SlowSpyder coming out into the light.

Emboldened even!

This is exactly why I'm not a leftist any longer. What UC said is 100% accurate. There is nothing wrong with the POTUS advocating for America. He is not the president of the world, he is the president of America. There is nothing inherently wrong about what he said, what you guys are arguing against are meanings that you and you alone are adding to his statement. Like I said earlier, the leftists create a caricature of reality and attack that.

 

[cytg111]

Radicalization in broad daylight.
If you cant see this shit coming for miles away you must be one dumb fuck.

 

[cytg111]

This is exactly why I'm not a leftist any longer. What UC said is 100% accurate. There is nothing wrong with the POTUS advocating for America. He is not the president of the world, he is the president of America. There is nothing inherently wrong about what he said, what you guys are arguing against are meanings that you and you alone are adding to his statement. Like I said earlier, the leftists create a caricature of reality and attack that.

One dumb fuck.

 

[sactoking]

In the context Trump used it, it fits the definition very well.

I will ask again, if the definition fits his meaning very well, which nation is he advocating independence for? Your prior response does not fit the definition. There is a reason Scottish nationalism is used as the example, Scotland is not an independent nation.

 

[Jaskalas]

Trump hates Muslims.

WTF, are you saying the Saudis are not Muslims?

Exhibit 1:

 

[senseamp]

He's a nationalist that goes to great lengths to avoid paying taxes to the nation he says he is putting first.

 

[Vic]

Willing to buy whatever he tells you, no matter how absurd.

I for one am very thankful that we have posters here who are always ready to explain to us what Trump really meant.

 

[vi edit]

Well yeah, but they give him buckets of money. Money trumps rhetoric in Trumplandia.

 

[pmv]

WTF, are you saying the Saudis are not Muslims?

He hates non-rich Muslims, for the most part.

That has nothing to do with the definition you cited.

Yeah, it's a distortion. And yet it's a revealing one, and it's not _entirely_ unrelated to that definition.

When people in positions of power get it in their heads that they are victims it always leads to bad consequences.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I will ask again, if the definition fits his meaning very well, which nation is he advocating independence for? Your prior response does not fit the definition. There is a reason Scottish nationalism is used as the example, Scotland is not an independent nation.

And I said already, advocating for our independence from globalism fits in the context he was using it. The fact that some of you honestly think he's arguing for white power over minorities shows how far down the propaganda worm hole you are. The liberals have spoon fed you what to think.

 

[pmv]

your confusion is that you think that Trump is pro-American. He isn't. Actions speak louder than words, and if you cared, you would actually spend a few minutes investigating this man and his life-long behavior.

Trump is Pro-Trump first, pro-Trump, second, and pro-Trump until the end. He fucking told you this at the RNC in 2016, he yelled it loudly to everyone's faces, and you didn't fucking pay any attention.

Look, what is above the US, here? What is given precedence?

All of this has real, intentional meaning. This was designed and staged for a very specific reason. You ate up the "Strong man!" image, failing to appreciate the actual history of this type of design. Only despots stage events like this.

Yeah, crikey, that's something else...

The set design makes me think of Bioshock! There's something Randian about it. Maybe a bit of Pink Floyd's The Wall as well. Needs more marching hammers though. Is there an analysis of the iconography of it out there, from someone who's versed in such things?

 

[Vic]

And I said already, advocating for our independence from globalism fits in the context he was using it. The fact that some of you honestly think he's arguing for white power over minorities shows how far down the propaganda worm hole you are. The liberals have spoon fed you what to think.

That some believe that Trump is arguing for white power minorities stems from the fact that so many ardent Trump supporters are arguing for exactly that, and Trump does nothing to dissuade them from doing so, or even to lead anyone to believe that those people do not have his full support.

As for "independence from globalism," let me ask you, have you not read Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations?" As a "conservative," I would assume that you have and are of course a staunch capitalist.. so do you recall how Smith explained that a nation's wealth was measured?

 

[Jhhnn]

Dog whistle is another interesting turn of phrase that's gaining popularity. It's handy in that it allows you to assign racism to just about any statement. The problem is that the only people that buy it are others on the far left.

I give you credit for being more thoughtful than most conservative posters. We both know Trump actively evokes White racial resentment. He also courts authoritarian tendencies among conservatives.There are entirely too many instances to say it's not true. To say that he's not aware of what he's doing strains credibility to the breaking point.

Declaring himself to be a nationalist plays to that. For anybody not held in thrall, it's an obvious lie coming from a man whose business empire spans the globe.

 

[sactoking]

"Independence from globalism" fits neither the dictionary definition you cited nor the more common American political definition others here accuser him of meaning.

 

[SlowSpyder]

"Independence from globalism" fits neither the dictionary definition you cited nor the more common American political definition others here accuser him of meaning.

Sure it does in the context it was used. Because you refuse to accept anything beyond your partisan view is no one's fault but your own.

 

[Vic]

Sure it does in the context it was used. Because you refuse to accept anything beyond your partisan view is no one's fault but your own.

The most un-self aware post on ATPN ever?

 

[Viper1j]

He hates non-rich Muslims, for the most part.

Word.. and shithole countries.

 

[VRAMdemon]

And I said already, advocating for our independence from globalism fits in the context he was using it. The fact that some of you honestly think he's arguing for white power over minorities shows how far down the propaganda worm hole you are. The liberals have spoon fed you what to think.

When is Trump and his family going to divorce themselves from globalism...

He has "business" deals all over the world. Loans all over the world. International hotels with his brand and holdings. A bunch of golf courses all over the world. His MAGA crap is made overseas . His family has clothing lines made overseas and business all over the world. He hires immigrant labor in his hotels and properties. " Independence from globalism" (what ever that means)..Time for the Liar in Chief to practice what he preaches.

 

[soundforbjt]

The most un-self aware post on ATPN ever?

Don't worry, he'll top it, you can bet on that.

 

[Victorian Gray]

We are trying to be independent from globalism, less dependent on foreign nations for energy, not taken advantage of in regards to trade.

ROFL

 

[woolfe9998]

I give you credit for being more thoughtful than most conservative posters. We both know Trump actively evokes White racial resentment. He also courts authoritarian tendencies among conservatives.There are entirely too many instances to say it's not true. To say that he's not aware of what he's doing strains credibility to the breaking point.

Declaring himself to be a nationalist plays to that. For anybody not held in thrall, it's an obvious lie coming from a man whose business empire spans the globe.

Yes, thank you for pointing out something important here: that understanding the meaning of a word or phrase critically depends on context. And the most important element of that context are the things the speaker has said or done in the past. You can't just take a statement in isolation and word parse to figure out its meaning. You have to understand something about the speaker first.

I would concede that self-identifying as a "nationalist" would not be cause for concern in some contexts. But Trump saying it is.

 

[sactoking]

Sure it does in the context it was used. Because you refuse to accept anything beyond your partisan view is no one's fault but your own.

The term nationalism does not mean "anti-globalism" as you contend it does. The dictionary you quoted does not define it that way. Even Scaramucci admits it doesn't mean that. That you refuse to admit you are wrong, not only in this but in every time you apologize for the unindicted co-conspirator, proves your willful ignorance. You have nothing to contribute to conversation as you do nothing but parrot inane and blatantly false talking points.

 

[UberNeuman]

Y'know folks. You keep talking to garbage and all you'll get is garbage.

 

[brandonbull]

Oh of course he's a nationalist. He's proud of his country and invested in supporting it. That's why he dodged the draft, committed massive tax fraud, laundered money for foreign dictators and mafia, and conspires with foreign leaders to subvert democracy at home.

While we're at it, I guess Ted Cruz is an honest, respectable secular humanist too.

Any more uncorroborated evidence to present, Mrs. Blasey Ford?