White nationalists like all other groups on the planet don't have one set of perfectly coherent beliefs, I expect some of them hate him and others see him as the candidate who mostly closely matches their views, despite their views being quite considerably different. Trump isn't trying to make a white enthostate and so for most white nationalist he doesn't represent their views, but he may be the least-worst candidate.
This is just an attempt at guilt by association anyway.
Saying you're a "nationalist" without the white, is like saying you're a member of the Klux Klan, just not the Klu one.. Everybody knows what you're even without you saying it. In some Twilight Zone twist, America ended up with a president that would have absolutely no problem seeing blacks hanging from trees, although he would prefer we all get back in the fields and pick crops. Now his cult members are mailing bombs to real Americans.
Nobody denies the American right to nationalism, placing America first but the problem is that in the very same country that word has clear racial connotations
I'd love to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, but he's expressed racial preferences previously (Norwegian vs a certain other race). Nationalism has an idealistic view of citizenship, and with his historical comments its is very likely he views it as exclusively white.
If he had used previous opportunities to openly condemn white nationalists and establish a clear line of demarcation, would've felt totally different about it
What's best for the nation and its citizens in whose opinion? And in the best interests of which citizens? If there aren't enough oxygen masks to go around, who will be deciding who gets one and based on what criteria?No, I don't put words in his mouth. YOU are the one doing that. If he talks about nationalism then I'll take him at his word that what he's talking about is nationalism and not just twist what he's saying to fit a narrative about him. Is there any actual evidence that what he's talking about or advocating for is white nationalism or an ethnostate?
Nationalism is about what is best for the nation and its citizens.
And I repeatedly told you that what I take issue with is the nonsense he babbles during his interviews and in his book. That's what most people are familiar with and latch on to. I don't give a shit about the rest of his body of work since I am not familiar with it and it's not what I take issue with.
That has no relevance to what I'm talking about, I was quite clear with what I wrote. So, I say watch his lectures to educate myself and you say I'm a moron and that's because of what he's written in a book which is unrelated? Do you see the problem with that?
If I say I watched his academic work and teachings and you claim you're not familiar with them, then on what grounds can you call me a moron?
Yes we do.I have two word for that bolded part of your comment. Bull Shit.
You need to read a book or two.
You also have no idea at this point who is mailing bombs.
Ah, the zero sum nonsense comes out. Yeah, I'm not going to engage you more earnestly, since you're all hat and no cattle.What I said is that it's rational if you want to achieve the goal of helping other people. If you want to achieve the goal of helping your child put their oxygen mask on when there's an emergency in a plane then you put your own on first, you secure your own safety first before you can possibly help others. Same is true economically, you can only send money overseas to help people if you have money left over from your own economy, so if you make your own economy strong first then you have resources to help others. If you ferry 100% of your money overseas to help other people then everyone starves and next year you have nothing to contribute, you're all dead.
Ah, the zero sum nonsense comes out. Yeah, I'm not going to engage you more earnestly, since you're all hat and no cattle.
IMO..Trump wants people to see him as a "nationalist" in the fascist dictator narrative. Trump loves his autocratic strongmen (Putin, Kim, Dodon, Bolsonaro) that run or will run they're respective banana republics. He yearns to have the American people bow down to him like they do with Kim in NK. And, lets face it...many countries are electing these type of strongmen. He wants to be leader of the club. He love him some fascism.
So anyway, Trump did not mean in any way a term that is racist. This is obvious. He meant he is not a globalist and that America is an independent nation for which he is the president and wants to make deals that favor us. This really shouldn't even be an issue, but the left creates racism where there is none regularly.
Trump's business empire spans the Globe, but he's not a globalist. At least not in ways that his mesmerized devotees can understand.
He can still be America-first with a global business. Duh.
His tenacity does call for a salary.You'll believe in him no matter what. Or at least pretend that you do to collect a paycheck.
Furthermore, isn't that the remit of just about every politician ever (with some exceptions such as people who were exposed as say a foreign agent)? Therefore the assertion that this is what constitutes a nationalist is a crock of shit, in the context of a politician identifying themself as this.
For added hilarity, check out the Wikipedia entry for Globalism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism
This could easily be the basis for the slogan "America First!" yet globalism is bad apparently according to the Trumpeteers.
I have two word for that bolded part of your comment. Bull Shit.
You need to read a book or two.
You also have no idea at this point who is mailing bombs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ngerous-racial-divide/?utm_term=.a860808f723a
The Washington Post and the New York Times both wrote Monday night about President Trump’s increasingly overt attempts to divide the American electorate by stoking racial fears. That same night, Trump used a very telling word that both confirms that narrative and threatens to divide our country even more.
Trump decided to call himself a “nationalist.”
“A globalist is a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly, not caring about our country so much. And you know what? We can’t have that,” Trump said at a rally in Texas. “You know, they have a word — it’s sort of became old-fashioned — it’s called a ‘nationalist.' And I say, really, we’re not supposed to use that word. You know what I am? I’m a nationalist, okay? I’m a nationalist. Nationalist. Nothing wrong. Use that word. Use that word.”
Bannon and the White supremacists can be proud. It's not like we didn't already know.
And?
Nationalism and white supremecy are not the same thing.
Also I have yet to hear a convincing argument why nationalism is bad.
Globalism is the far greater evil.
You're already convinced that whatever Trump says is good.
I was convinced that nationalism is good decades before Trump.
Despite the sordid history of self proclaimed "Nationalist" politicians through history. Name off some good ones.
Why aren't all people equal in your eyes?I was convinced that nationalism is good decades before Trump.