Trump/GOP Civil War

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MrSquished

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Trump has said the shackles are off. Which basically means he can go off unhinged without restraint from his handlers. This can only end well.
 
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I wish someone would do a video montage of drumpf to the Van Halen song Unchained, but change the title to Unhinged.
damn I forgot how much I liked this song.
phaser/flanger on the guitar is a nice touch
 
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Balt

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So there are probably many Republicans who aren't going to be getting much sleep for the next month. At any moment, Trump could be tweeting something mean about them and jeopardizing their election/re-election chances.

That's what our political system has been reduced to, the 140 characters of a sociopathic moron.

Amusingly, Reince Preibus has yet to cut bait and has avoided Donald's wrath so far. I wonder how that will work out for him when Donald loses bigly on Nov 8.
 

lopri

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I get that people having low opinions on Bill Clinton, but why does that reflect badly on his wife? If anything she was a victim as well. It is preposterous to blame her for "enabling him" by being nasty and cold (?) to his accusers. I mean, seriously? Try taking a young lady to your wife and tell your wife that she is your mistress, and see how nice your wife treats the lady.
 
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trenchfoot

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Abandoning support for Trump, as many Repub leaders are now doing, is the same as turning their backs on those millions of Repubs that voted for Trump in the primaries.

I really don't see how those disaffected voters that put their bid in for Trump being thrown under the bus is going to improve the chances of Repub legislators keeping their seats. If anything, it seems to me that splitting the party by distancing themselves from Trump is just going to make things worse for them.

It's the base of the party that gave Trump the win, and it's the base of the party that those Repub legislators are in essence running away from.

How that can actually improve things for the Repubs doesn't make sense.
 
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I get that people having low opinions on Bill Clinton, but why does that reflect badly on his wife? If anything she was a victim as well. It is preposterous to blame her for "enabling him" by being nasty and cold (?) to his accusers. I mean, seriously? Try taking a young lady to your wife and tell your wife that she is your mistress, and see how nice your wife treats the lady.

I don't even get the bad feelings, most of them are from lying about a bj to congress which is pretty irrelevant to me.
I seriously doubt there are many AT members who had bad times during Clinton's Presidency, why be negative and say Bill had nothing to do with the successes.
95-2002 so far have been the best years of my life.
 
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Its funny how Hillary is just standing around keeping her mouth shut and watching the Republican in fighting.
 

MongGrel

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I wish someone would do a video montage of drumf to the Van Halen song Unchained, but change the title to Unhinged.
damn I forgot how much I liked this song.
phaser/flanger on the guitar is a nice touch

I had kind of forgotten that one myself, has been awhile.
 
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Abandoning support for Trump, as many Repub leaders are now doing, is the same as turning their backs on those millions of Repubs that voted for Trump in the primaries.

I really don't see how those disaffected voters that put their bid in for Trump being thrown under the bus is going to improve the chances of Repub legislators keeping their seats. If anything, it seems to me that splitting the party by distancing themselves from Trump is just going to make things worse for them.

It's the base of the party that gave Trump the win, and it's the base of the party that those Repub legislators are in essence running away from.

How that can actually improve things for the Repubs doesn't make sense.

Its Trumps responsibility to run a campaign that is capable of winning and its Trumps responsibly to make sure his name doesn't drag others down.
People are abandoning Trump because the "deal" he presents isn't too beneficial to them
 
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trenchfoot

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Its Trumps responsibility to run a campaign that is capable of winning and its Trumps responsibly to make sure his name doesn't drag others down.
People are abandoning Trump because the "deal" he presents isn't too beneficial to them

Agreed. So Trump becoming a self-made toxic pariah, losing support from the Repub leadership AND having the base of the Repub Party sticking with him to their last desperate gasp for a miracle puts the GOP house of cards directly in the path of a killer F5 Kansas tornado of sorts.

Is it still too early to pass out condolence cards yet?

edit - As an aside, assuming Hillary wins, I wonder how the 2020 census is going to affect the bullet proof gerrymandering the Repubs put up in the states they control?
 
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lopri

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What might an unshackled Donald be like? My imagination fails me.
 

werepossum

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I like how the Republicans nominated a horrible person, and it's still the left's fault.
Um, it's the Republicans' fault that we nominated a horrible person. It's the Democrats' fault for craving "unfettered power" and calling for the disenfranchisement of the entire fucking nation. We're each responsible for our own behavior.

I get that people having low opinions on Bill Clinton, but why does that reflect badly on his wife? If anything she was a victim as well. It is preposterous to blame her for "enabling him" by being nasty and cold (?) to his accusers. I mean, seriously? Try taking a young lady to your wife and tell your wife that she is your mistress, and see how nice your wife treats the lady.
Her husband's lovers did not stand up in front on G-d and man, promising to forsake all others. Bill did. Hillary made the decision to lead the attacks on those women - some of which he groped very much against their will - and attempted to destroy them. That's on her. It's amusing though to see the hypocrisy on both sides, Republicans excusing in Trump what they so strongly derided in Clinton and Democrats so strongly deriding in Trump what they so strongly defended in Bill Clinton.

Its Trumps responsibility to run a campaign that is capable of winning and its Trumps responsibly to make sure his name doesn't drag others down.
People are abandoning Trump because the "deal" he presents isn't too beneficial to them
Anyone even superficially familiar with Trump should have known he is fundamentally incapable of running a winning campaign. He has benefited greatly from not being a politician, from the extreme anger the Republican base holds toward Republican leadership and many people hold toward D.C. Sanders benefited from much of the same sentiment on the left. People are tired of the same old lies from the same old political class that get richer and richer while ostensibly in "public service".

Much like people who avoid vaccinations, Trump's supporters assumed that since Trump isn't a politician, he's automatically better than politicians. I could completely understand that with Perot; I am frankly baffled that it could happen with Trump. Many of them are finally figuring it out; I know a LOT of evangelicals who have enthusiastically (and inexplicably) supported Trump right up until the NBC tape release. Going to be a LOT of write-in votes this election.
 

Moonbeam

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It's the Democrats' fault for craving "unfettered power" and calling for the disenfranchisement of the entire fucking nation.

Hang on. I thought it was Democrats that were at fault for the red spot on Jupiter. Did I go off my meds?
 
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Um, it's the Republicans' fault that we nominated a horrible person. It's the Democrats' fault for craving "unfettered power" and calling for the disenfranchisement of the entire fucking nation. We're each responsible for our own behavior.
Calling for disenfranchisement of the entire nation? I must have missed the memo. Would you mind posting some sources to back this up?
 

Bitek

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Agreed. So Trump becoming a self-made toxic pariah, losing support from the Repub leadership AND having the base of the Repub Party sticking with him to their last desperate gasp for a miracle puts the GOP house of cards directly in the path of a killer F5 Kansas tornado of sorts.

Is it still too early to pass out condolence cards yet?

edit - As an aside, assuming Hillary wins, I wonder how the 2020 census is going to affect the bullet proof gerrymandering the Repubs put up in the states they control?

My only concern about the dems winning in 16 is the high likelihood of losing in 20, esp with Hillary at the top of the ticket.

When has that happened last? Two back to back 8yr terms with a single party?

If the GOP can even somewhat get thier shit together, history should favor them to win big in 2020. That means another decade of fucked up districting and D underrepresentation.

Still not a trade off to give away the POTUS in 2016, and an the SC nominees to come.
 

nageov3t

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My only concern about the dems winning in 16 is the high likelihood of losing in 20, esp with Hillary at the top of the ticket.
the one silver lining in my mind at least, is that the Clintons seem to care a lot more about the DNC and party infrastructure than Obama ever did.

Obama basically left the DNC out in the wilderness because he couldn't be bothered, whereas I see the Clintons taking a much more active role in trying to rebuild the party internals.
 

Jhhnn

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My only concern about the dems winning in 16 is the high likelihood of losing in 20, esp with Hillary at the top of the ticket.

When has that happened last? Two back to back 8yr terms with a single party?

If the GOP can even somewhat get thier shit together, history should favor them to win big in 2020. That means another decade of fucked up districting and D underrepresentation.

Still not a trade off to give away the POTUS in 2016, and an the SC nominees to come.

Republicans can't get their shit together so long as they're the party of trickle down. They can't deliver the economic benefits to serve America & their base. It's an oxymoron.
 

fskimospy

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Um, it's the Republicans' fault that we nominated a horrible person. It's the Democrats' fault for craving "unfettered power" and calling for the disenfranchisement of the entire fucking nation. We're each responsible for our own behavior.

Who called for the disenfranchisement of anyone!?! Do you know what that word means or how democracy works?

I find that people often think of 'enfranchisement' as 'winning'. They are not even remotely the same thing. You have a right to vote, not a right to win. If you lose the house, senate, and presidency because you didn't get enough votes that's a feature, not a bug.

The paranoia and delusions of persecution here are off the charts.
 
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At fault? Dude, that red spot rules. And yes, I suspect you did.

Possum, you've seemed to have evolved a bit on these issues in a well thought out way. I have a hypothetical question.
Assuming the only election choices are vote Trump or vote Hillary or stay home which would you choose?
Assume its today and I know opinions can change.
 
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