Trump has fired Tillerson

[brycejones]

Our 'allies' will throw us under the bus at the drop of a hat and never look back. When did one of our allies come to the rescue of the US?

9/11

 

[fskimospy]

The facts are all available to anyone interested enough to use a search engine, apparently you are not that interested.

I’m very interested in what you think the facts are. The fact that you’re so unwilling to specify what they are tells me you know you’re full of shit.

 

[Jhhnn]

Our 'allies' will throw us under the bus at the drop of a hat and never look back. When did one of our allies come to the rescue of the US?

The French during the revolutionary war. Couldn't have won it without them.

Beyond that, geography dictates that we haven't needed saving from anybody & probably never will. Well, other than from ourselves, as in the Civil War.

 

[Younigue]

Trump is great at hiring and firing, and not afraid to take a chance on either. Refreshing, isn't it?

LOL! Seriously dude stop talking with your mouth full... What else you got in there? There's no chance Trump has a mouth full to offer up ... Oh, eww never mind. It's the shit he spews directly into your [mind] mouth. You're gross man. Only a true cultist embraces such a thing. Please seek help.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

I’m very interested in what you think the facts are. The fact that you’re so unwilling to specify what they are tells me you know you’re full of shit.

That is important to me, what you think and all...really important.

 

[Younigue]

That is important to me, what you think and all...really important.

Clearly it is, you keep engaging prior on the forum. There is no acceptance of you here. Hashtag life goals amirite?

 

[feralkid]

Our 'allies' will throw us under the bus at the drop of a hat and never look back. When did one of our allies come to the rescue of the US?

France, February 6, 1778.

It's ok, as an under-educated Russian peasant you probably weren't well schooled in American history.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

France, February 6, 1778.

It's ok, as an under-educated Russian peasant you probably weren't well schooled in American history.

But, as an under-educated Russian peasant, you, no doubt, have an extensive background in US history to help you appear American.
LOL had to go back a few hundred years to find anything, huh. That was my point, and also France did little to help the US, but did give us a nice statue.

 

[nickqt]

But, as an under-educated Russian peasant, you, no doubt, have an extensive background in US history to help you appear American.
LOL had to go back a few hundred years to find anything, huh. That was my point, and also France did little to help the US, but did give us a nice statue.

Double down on your own ignorance.

 

[zinfamous]

Nice shitpsting rebuttal. You replied to the same thing twice... Double the shitposting. GJ



Well, I've already proven #1, so I'll go to #2. Yemen. Need I say more?

dear god, you just live in a fantasy of your own making.

Do you honestly think anyone is convinced by your infantile nonsense?

 

[zinfamous]

Back on topic:

I like the picks of Pompeo and Haspel. It's nice to see a professional in charge of the CIA.

Haspel might be OK if it weren't for her proud, unquestioning support of torture. ...so that might be a problem for her.

lol: Pompeo? A lunatic ass-kissing ignoramus? what's to like about that idiot?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I'm going to post this, which I hadn't spread around or mentioned since approximately a month ago.

You can say "You made it up!" You can say "it's fake news," or apply the litigious standard and call it "hearsay." You can spread it around, or you can attempt to suppress it.

About a month or two past, I sent a letter to the local right-wing newspaper arguing that Trump was likely guilty of treason or misprision of treason/felony. I argued that he would be much worse as a Manchurian Candidate in reality than the character posed in the original film and Condon novel. And I mentioned what I'd read from some reasonably reliable news source: that State Department was being "hollowed out."

I don't know what the Orange County Register does to validate cogent arguments attempting to argue hearsay or fact. Certainly, they might check the facts. They might query the State Department for instance. But the day after I submitted the letter, Tillerson appeared on TV and in the papers to announce that "it was untrue" the administration was "hollowing out" the State Department.

I also have an old friend in DC and the daughter of a protestant minister who counted a certain well-known president of the last century among his flock. Her brother was still in the foreign service. We were discussing this matter of unfilled positions at State and people fleeing their civil service positions. She replied in an e-mail with what she had been told by her brother -- they were, indeed, "hollowing out" the State Department.

This, of course, would be a memorable and joyous wet dream to Putin, the Kremlin and the Russians.

Whether or not Tillerson participated in selling us out, I cannot say with certainty, but I would not have suspected it anyway. Perhaps the GOP got him into the cabinet position with hopes of keeping things sane and stable. But we now also know that Trump had nominated Romney for the position, who in turn was opposed by the Russians, so Trump switched in Tillerson. Someone else might have stuck by Romney, who could be expected to drive hard bargains. And Trump got elected by people who wanted him to drive hard bargains with his mythical negotiating skills.

I suspect our country is in great peril. And I say that while omitting some of the more inflammatory things I've said here in other threads recently. Here, Trump is defying the expert wisdom in his plans to meet Little Rocket Man, and he's shaking up his cabinet and the State Department at the same time. Even your blue-collar football obsessive knows that you don't swap players in and out of the game when lining up for a critical maneuver.

 

[Victorian Gray]

But, as an under-educated Russian peasant, you, no doubt, have an extensive background in US history to help you appear American.
LOL had to go back a few hundred years to find anything, huh. That was my point, and also France did little to help the US, but did give us a nice statue.

полезный идиот должен изучить некоторую историю.

"During the American Revolution, the American colonies faced the significant challenge of conducting international diplomacy and seeking the international support it needed to fight against the British. The single most important diplomatic success of the colonists during the War for Independence was the critical link they forged with France. Representatives of the French and American governments signed the Treaty of Alliance and the Treaty of Amity and Commerce on February 6, 1778."

...

"Between 1778 and 1782 the French provided supplies, arms and ammunition, uniforms, and, most importantly, troops and naval support to the beleaguered Continental Army. The French navy transported reinforcements, fought off a British fleet, and protected Washington’s forces in Virginia. French assistance was crucial in securing the British surrender at Yorktown in 1781.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1776-1783/french-alliance"

 

[Alpha One Seven]

France, February 6, 1778.

It's ok, as an under-educated Russian peasant you probably weren't well schooled in American history.

Double down on your own ignorance.

I get better odds on yours though. Pretty much a sure thing.

 

[nickqt]

I get better odds on yours though. Pretty much a sure thing.

My ignorance of how much help the French provided in the American Revolution?

Nope. You're ignorant if you don' think the French were instrumental in the revolutionists holding off the British at home, especially with the aid of the French at sea and with blockades.

Not to mention that the French and British were fighting war(s) at the same time which was in itself part of the reason the British didn't destroy the revolution with overwhelming force.

But you go ahead and keep spouting off your loud ignorance, proudly, as a Strongman Trump enabler who revels in being ignorant and proud.

Seriously. Keep on keepin' on, champ.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

God said it

 

[zerocool84]

Trump is great at hiring and firing, and not afraid to take a chance on either. Refreshing, isn't it?

He's obviously not great at hiring. Any leader of anything that has gone through this many people obviously needs help on finding the correct people for the job. Trump has shown he has zero ability to do it at all.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Somewhere in this thread, I thought someone suggested that it was refreshing to see Trump swapping staff and cabinet members in and out like firing Apprentice contestants.

And somehow, this seems to reflect an ignorance about what makes any modern organization effective, and an ignorance about the role of executive leadership.

You cannot build an effective organization when key players are here today and gone tomorrow.

You cannot build an effective organization with an assumption that the leader in the command role can do it all alone and go it all alone.

The quarterback doesn't win the game without the team. And the team requires cooperation. Just as an example and for those waiting to see Gary Oldman in the lead role of "Darkest Hour," there has been another film release with Brian Cox in the lead role of "Churchill." Churchill, during the preparations for D-Day, wanted to meddle in the planning, and had trouble leaving it up to the military. that is basically the story of that film, which shows the leader shining in his job of inspiring and unifying the public. He had his job; the teams under him had theirs.

The Trump White House is a disaster. Those who support him and who do not realize this had probably elected him to go "shake things up." And many of them did not care whether government could be made effective, because of their basic philosophy. They'd rather just pay no taxes and drown the federal level in bathtub, according to Grover Norquist.

But those of us who do pay taxes want our government to work. If we don't agree with some brushfire war, we want our military to be effective and successful anyway. And if I opposed having an EPA, knowing I'd pay taxes for it, knowing that others pay taxes for it and want it to work, I'd insist on trying to make it work -- on their behalf.

Otherwise, there is no difference between building a healthy organization in a private company with a limited money-making mission and building a healthy organization in the public sector.

I think if you sent an organizational psychologist into Trump's own companies to evaluate them, he might conclude that they are very sick places for people to work. And so the people in those organizations might variously be called "the working wounded."

As to "shaking things up," imagine a black box which contains several pieces of Waterford crystal stemware, sitting in the box side by side with some jagged rocks. Those who simply don't care about what's in the box anyway, won't care if you smash the crystal to pieces as you "shake things up."

These people have come into government as destroyers, and their destruction will make America Less again for years to come.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

My ignorance of how much help the French provided in the American Revolution?

Nope. You're ignorant if you don' think the French were instrumental in the revolutionists holding off the British at home, especially with the aid of the French at sea and with blockades.

Not to mention that the French and British were fighting war(s) at the same time which was in itself part of the reason the British didn't destroy the revolution with overwhelming force.

But you go ahead and keep spouting off your loud ignorance, proudly, as a Strongman Trump enabler who revels in being ignorant and proud.

Seriously. Keep on keepin' on, champ.

You must be posting this just to amuse me, because you sure are amusing spouting what everyone learned in gradeschool. I just don't see it as a legitimate reason to keep putting our troops in harms way for the benefit of our allies. Remember, the French also gave us Vietnam when they got their butts spanked and ran like children, asking us to take over there.
I think that made us more than even.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

Somewhere in this thread, I thought someone suggested that it was refreshing to see Trump swapping staff and cabinet members in and out like firing Apprentice contestants.

And somehow, this seems to reflect an ignorance about what makes any modern organization effective, and an ignorance about the role of executive leadership.

You cannot build an effective organization when key players are here today and gone tomorrow.

You cannot build an effective organization with an assumption that the leader in the command role can do it all alone and go it all alone.

The quarterback doesn't win the game without the team. And the team requires cooperation. Just as an example and for those waiting to see Gary Oldman in the lead role of "Darkest Hour," there has been another film release with Brian Cox in the lead role of "Churchill." Churchill, during the preparations for D-Day, wanted to meddle in the planning, and had trouble leaving it up to the military. that is basically the story of that film, which shows the leader shining in his job of inspiring and unifying the public. He had his job; the teams under him had theirs.

The Trump White House is a disaster. Those who support him and who do not realize this had probably elected him to go "shake things up." And many of them did not care whether government could be made effective, because of their basic philosophy. They'd rather just pay no taxes and drown the federal level in bathtub, according to Grover Norquist.

But those of us who do pay taxes want our government to work. If we don't agree with some brushfire war, we want our military to be effective and successful anyway. And if I opposed having an EPA, knowing I'd pay taxes for it, knowing that others pay taxes for it and want it to work, I'd insist on trying to make it work -- on their behalf.

Otherwise, there is no difference between building a healthy organization in a private company with a limited money-making mission and building a healthy organization in the public sector.

I think if you sent an organizational psychologist into Trump's own companies to evaluate them, he might conclude that they are very sick places for people to work. And so the people in those organizations might variously be called "the working wounded."

As to "shaking things up," imagine a black box which contains several pieces of Waterford crystal stemware, sitting in the box side by side with some jagged rocks. Those who simply don't care about what's in the box anyway, won't care if you smash the crystal to pieces as you "shake things up."

These people have come into government as destroyers, and their destruction will make America Less again for years to come.

The key player is Trump, and he is here today and still here tomorrow.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

He's obviously not great at hiring. Any leader of anything that has gone through this many people obviously needs help on finding the correct people for the job. Trump has shown he has zero ability to do it at all.

Trump is getting 'advice' on who would do well in what position from some bad sources obviously, or he's just finding out what others were fooled by all along.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

My ignorance of how much help the French provided in the American Revolution?

Nope. You're ignorant if you don' think the French were instrumental in the revolutionists holding off the British at home, especially with the aid of the French at sea and with blockades.

Not to mention that the French and British were fighting war(s) at the same time which was in itself part of the reason the British didn't destroy the revolution with overwhelming force.

But you go ahead and keep spouting off your loud ignorance, proudly, as a Strongman Trump enabler who revels in being ignorant and proud.

Seriously. Keep on keepin' on, champ.

Yep, a sure thing.

 

[nickqt]

Yep, a sure thing.

Yep, a sure thing.

Sick burn!!!!

 

[NostaSeronx]

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1776-1783/french-alliance"

Meanwhile just a couple years after there is the XYZ affair and the quasi-war. Then, where was United States for France?! Then, where was France for United States for 1812?!

Don't forget the whole plot for supporting United States is get their money back in the first place. It was always going to lead to XYZ with France at the time.

 

[VRAMdemon]

He's obviously not great at hiring. Any leader of anything that has gone through this many people obviously needs help on finding the correct people for the job. Trump has shown he has zero ability to do it at all.

They will continue the game until they've tweaked it just right and found the perfect combination of 100% hive-mind/Trump-worship. This kind of incompetence takes time, it doesn't just HAPPEN.

And that's the beauty of being unqualified. You can sit in ANY chair - Energy today, VA tomorrow. Maybe next week, NSA or SOS