Trump has fired Tillerson

[[DHT]Osiris]

Statement over. No questions taken. Don't think he thanked Trump or really mentioned him much at all.

He didn't say his name at any point (past opening statement rather).

Mostly a recap toward what he had done, what the near-term situation of his position will be, and a rather stern warning toward Russia regarding their shens.

 

[Jhhnn]

We really could use a couple more wars right now.

Well, Trump could def use another 9/11...

 

[Aikouka]

I wonder if Twitter will start allowing us to color our tweets? I feel like it would be more effective if they would be colored pink.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Tillerson's bottom line seemed to be thanking people for things Trump is incapable of, mostly anything revolving diplomacy and rational thinking.

I liked it.

 

[K1052]

Well, Trump could def use another 9/11...

More likely he'll can the Iran deal, blame them for something which they may or may not have done, and start another war in the gulf.

 

[Younigue]

Yeah I see now where he said he spoke to Trump this afternoon. Man what a dick move. Entirely unsurprising but why is this idiot so afraid to handle staffing issues face to face.

Too busy fantasizing about unarmed confrontation of mass shooters?

 

[UNCjigga]

The only thing I have gotten out of this is Trump is a huge pussy.

Nuff said. I guess the only time he can fire someone is if NBC stages it.

 

[K1052]

Tillerson's bottom line seemed to be thanking people for things Trump is incapable of, mostly anything revolving diplomacy and rational thinking.

I liked it.

This speech and his restraint of Trump's worse ideas are his main contributions. He was a bad fit for State and had been managing it into the ground.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

How many times do you think "unnamed sources" have been bang on in the short tenure of this admin?

And how many times have they been wrong...which lends credibility to the "fake news" narrative? Here's just a few...

Comey says New York Times story about contacts between Russians and Trump campaign officials was inaccurate
http://www.businessinsider.com/comey-new-york-times-story-russia-inaccurate-2017-6

McMaster: Washington Post story is false
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...t-happen-trump-russia-classified-info-sot.cnn

ABC’s Brian Ross suspended over erroneous Flynn report
https://www.axios.com/abcs-brian-ro...333-fbd549d5-0bc7-45db-88d5-ba55331a209b.html

Edit: Replaced NYT paywall links

 

[sportage]

I do have to hand it to Donald Trump.
Yes,.... ME.
This time, Trump displayed some smarts.
It is FAR FAR preferable to fire someone rather than have then quit and walk away on their own.
It was quite embarrassing when Gary Cohn quit over disagreements with Trump tariffs.
That made Trump look like a fool, look like Trump was clueless, that Trump was as Tillerson once put it, "a total moron".
At least this way, Trump holds the upper hand. Or Trump can appear to.
Should be of no surprise to anyone this was coming.
Tillerson probably knew he must resign after Trump blind-sided Tillerson with that Kim Jong-un announcement. And with no apparent fore-warning to Tillerson.
Plus, Trump's insistence on nixing that Obama-Iran deal where Tillerson is obviously against nixing.
But Trump blind-sided Tillerson by firing Tillerson!
Surprised? Shouldn't be....

Question is.... is Donad Trump getting better at this presidential thing?
Far better to fire someone than give them the chance to quit?
To just up and leave?
Firing preferred to quitting has made Trump appear connected and in-charge.
You must agree... IT HAS!
Walkouts and quits make presidents look like chumps.
When their own administration members disagree to the point they just flee.
That never looks good.

And playing devils advocate here..... any company head or company boss or department leader must have people working for him or her and around him or her that the boss can rely on.
Can agree with.
Can consider a team player.
When Trump first took office, Trump pretty much picked off the shelf at random which people he would hire and work with.
Politics was new to Donald.
Knowing just who to trust was most likely a hit and miss situation.
THAT, is probably why Trump surrounded himself with so many family members. Donald simply was not sure who to hire and how this presidential thing worked.
Donald knew he could at least trust family, inexperienced as they were.

But now.... Trump has had over a year to read his people. To weed out the bad apples.
And I would not be surprised if Donald Trump soon begins releasing his own family members from his administration then replace with actual experienced people.
I wouldn't be at all surprised.

The potential big problem here for Donald Trump would be..... if these new people, the replacements that Trump is claiming he can better work with, and who are supposedly on the same page as is Donald Trump concerning policy, if these new Trump people start leaving and quitting and resigning in a few months then that would look really really bad for Donald Trump. Really bad!!!!
But we shall see.

The down side for America?
Trump and those who will soon surround him and will soon be on the same page as Trump when it comes to policy, THAT "POLICY" we must remember is not in our nor Americas best interest.
Tariffs "might" turn out to be very harmful to American workers and to the American economy.
And nixing that Obama-Iran nuclear agreement "might" prove to be disastrous to the nuclear stabilization of the world. If that Obama-Iran agreement is nixed by Trump and that nixing supported by those surrounding Donald Trump, Iran just might and absolutely could proceed bat-shet crazy with building and re-building their nuclear weapons program.
And having THAT happen would surely destabilize the entire Middle East, as well as destabilize our very own security here at home.

So the goal of Donald Trump, at this point it seems, is to weed out from his administration all those that disagree with him. And hire or appoint only those that are as Trump put it "ON THE SAME PAGE".
We shall see. We shall see.

One thing you have to admit. THIS IS exactly how business men (and business women) typically run their company. To hire yes men, and dismiss those who dare mutter a discouraging word.
If you run a business, you want people around you that will be team players.
With this action from Trump, he has indeed began the running of America more as a business rather than a presidency.
THIS just might be a talent Donald Trump is actually good at.
We shall see. We shall see.

 

[K1052]

And how many times have they been wrong...which lends credibility to the "fake news" narrative? Here's just a few...

Comey says New York Times story about contacts between Russians and Trump campaign officials was inaccurate
http://www.businessinsider.com/comey-new-york-times-story-russia-inaccurate-2017-6

McMaster: Washington Post story is false
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...t-happen-trump-russia-classified-info-sot.cnn

ABC’s Brian Ross suspended over erroneous Flynn report
https://www.axios.com/abcs-brian-ro...333-fbd549d5-0bc7-45db-88d5-ba55331a209b.html

Edit: Replaced NYT paywall links

Comey didn't specify what in the NYT story is wrong so it's difficult to balance his statement against it.

McMaster misrepresented the situation to the press since Trump is the declassifying authority. Trump told them stuff he shouldn't have that was indeed previously classified.

Ross corrected and was disciplined.

"Fake news" is information that is intentionally fabricated to be passed off as the truth. Reporters will get it wrong sometimes and that's inevitable. They should fix it when they do and for the most part that happens. For this administration "fake news" is news that they don't like not that isn't by and large true.

 

[Jhhnn]

One of my favorite fake news generators at work-

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/...ollusion-finding-house-intelligence-committee

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

One of my favorite fake news generators at work-

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/...ollusion-finding-house-intelligence-committee

Which part of the story is fake in your opinion.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Dude looks and sounds broken. What a way to end your work life after retiring as a titan of industry.

A lot of this can be explained as a population that embraces myths. "The more money someone has, the more brains they have." Tillerson came up through Exxon as a petroleum engineer. Even as CEO and quintessential rich guy, he would likely be naïve about a lot of things not directly related to his day-to-day Exxon business. As for Trump: he's no genius -- not even exceptional, really. He's a dangerous person just for trying to tell his base that he's a genius and believing it himself.

Ultimately, the Trumpist disaster is the unfortunate Triumph of Ignorance and Myth-Driven illogic.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

And how many times have they been wrong...which lends credibility to the "fake news" narrative? Here's a few...

Comey Disputes New York Times Article About Russia Investigation
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/...&gwh=8B197A276B0063716B05C0B733080A35&gwt=pay

Roger Stone admitted he was in contact with Guccifer 2.0 who is believed to be a front for Russian intel. ops.

Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner... all met with Veselnitskaya who is believed to have been operating under direction from the Russian Deputy Prosecutor General. He used her as well to set up a Swiss investigator who ended up charged.

Papadopoulos met with Joseph Misfud repeatedly who is suspected of being a Russian spy. He was the one who told Georgey that the Russians had hacked the DNC emails.

This all came out AFTER that statement. Seems like several did have contact with what is believed to be Russian intel operatives.

McMaster: Washington Post story is false
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...t-happen-trump-russia-classified-info-sot.cnn

Apparently the information in their story was completely accurate on what Trump said to the Russians in that meeting. They changed their story the next day from denial to saying it was appropriate what he told them. That denial was before their story changed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/...&gwh=20963764EE360450E6F03578EF39DC28&gwt=pay

Hey look! You got one. That was corrected by the person who put it out quickly. But hey. It's a mistake. The main thing he did wrong was go with a single source. Most journalists won't put anything out from one single anonymous source.

 

[soundforbjt]

Which part of the story is fake in your opinion.

Like the reply in the comments: We didn’t find any collusion because we didn’t look for any.

 

[HomerJS]

And how many times have they been wrong...which lends credibility to the "fake news" narrative? Here's just a few...

Comey says New York Times story about contacts between Russians and Trump campaign officials was inaccurate
http://www.businessinsider.com/comey-new-york-times-story-russia-inaccurate-2017-6

McMaster: Washington Post story is false
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...t-happen-trump-russia-classified-info-sot.cnn

ABC’s Brian Ross suspended over erroneous Flynn report
https://www.axios.com/abcs-brian-ro...333-fbd549d5-0bc7-45db-88d5-ba55331a209b.html

Edit: Replaced NYT paywall links

You realize unnamed sources gave us watergate

 

[fskimospy]

Which part of the story is fake in your opinion.

The part where he claimed there was no evidence of collusion between Trump's campaign and the Russians. That is unless you think Trump's son, campaign manager, and son in law meeting with agents of the Russian government to discuss trading dirt on Clinton for sanctions relief isn't anything, or members of Trump's campaign bragging about their inside knowledge of criminal Russian hacking activity designed to aid Trump.

Oh yeah and don't forget that Nunes is now also claiming that contrary to the opinion of the US intelligence committee Russia wasn't trying to help Trump. lol. At this point I would think that even you would have to admit that Nunes' credibility is zero. Absolute zero.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Tillerson lasted 40.5 Mooches...It's like a clown car with a revolving door on it

Kind of like a conveyor if you ask me.

 

[HomerJS]

Which part of the story is fake in your opinion.

The fake part of the story is in the title. I have evidence of collusion and I'm not a member of some damn committee.

Trump in public asked the Russians to hack the Democrats.

 

[shortylickens]

I dont see this as a good event or bad. Donald does whatever the fuck he wants for reasons only he understands.
Its all meaningless since I'm pretty sure the Illuminati are running America anyways.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

About time. It's nice to have a man that isn't afraid to get rid of dead wood and bring in blood when its needed.
Folks in Washington have felt like they were above being fired for too long.

 

[a777pilot]

We really could use a couple more wars right now.

Not even close.

The best way to avoid war is to be ready for war.

 

[fskimospy]

I dont see this as a good event or bad. Donald does whatever the fuck he wants for reasons only he understands.
Its all meaningless since I'm pretty sure the Illuminati are running America anyways.

It's good in that Tillerson was likely one of the worst Secretaries of State in the history of the country. It's bad because his replacement is probably worse.

 

[fskimospy]

About time. It's nice to have a man that isn't afraid to get rid of dead wood and bring in blood when its needed.
Folks in Washington have felt like they were above being fired for too long.

Pretty amazing just how much 'dead wood' Trump has hired, huh? I mean can you think of any president in history whose proven to be a more incompetent hiring manager than Trump? I mean as a good example his first national security adviser turned out to be a felon, possibly working as the agent of a foreign power. How stupid does Trump have to be to hire that?