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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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America's only obligation is to America.
We don't want to be the world's free police force every other country likes having. We did that long enough and look what it got us.
Clearly you are clueless concerning treaties/contracts. How will America make any agreements in the future when we break existing ones on a whim?
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Dude looks and sounds broken. What a way to end your work life after retiring as a titan of industry.
Tillerson can go right back to being a titan of industry. His stint at State was as successful as it was possible for it to be under Trump. Tillerson choked in accepting the gig but overall I don't think it damaged his ability to land a top spot in oil patch.
 

brycejones

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Oct 18, 2005
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Comey didn't specify what in the NYT story is wrong so it's difficult to balance his statement against it.

McMaster misrepresented the situation to the press since Trump is the declassifying authority. Trump told them stuff he shouldn't have that was indeed previously classified.

Ross corrected and was disciplined.

"Fake news" is information that is intentionally fabricated to be passed off as the truth. Reporters will get it wrong sometimes and that's inevitable. They should fix it when they do and for the most part that happens. For this administration "fake news" is news that they don't like not that isn't by and large true.

This right here is the biggest disconnect when folks like DSF and other conservatives (lets be honest its mainly conservatives) start trying to complain about "fake news". To them its things they don't like or unnamed sources. Responsible news organizations use unnamed sources often in the their reporting so they can continue to use the source in the future. They also check the information to ensure it is confirmed before publishing. If the reporting is shown to be incorrect they will issue a retraction and if the journalist acted in bad faith acknowledge that and punish the journalist.
 

K1052

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Tillerson can go right back to being a titan of industry. His stint at State was as successful as it was possible for it to be under Trump. Tillerson choked in accepting the gig but overall I don't think it damaged his ability to land a top spot in oil patch.

He went out on top and, IIRC, wasn't interested in another job. Rice, among other people, worked hard to convince him to take SecState.

I suspect he'll stay retired.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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You're the one making the statement that she's the worst SoS of all time, not me. As far as I can see we have a few different topics, so please provide specific events that you think prove your case.

1) Time in the Senate - what did she do there that made her a bad Secretary of State years later?
2) Her time in the White House (meaning in the 90's?) - I would love to know what she did two decades prior that made her a bad SoS.
3) Her books - what chapters of her books made her a bad SoS, specifically?
4) Her interviews - same question.
5) Long list of dead bodies - can you expand on this claim?

I feel like I've given you a decent scaffold to make your case. Please fill it in as much as you can. I'm excited for this discussion and for you to help me 'take off the blinders'!
I'll step in on the dead bodies claim. In 1983 the United States lost 241 Marines in an attack on an unarmed barracks. SoS at that time was George Shultz. We didn't lose anywhere near that number during HC's entire term. Bengahzi hearings went on for 2 years over 4 lost lives yet Shultz and Reagan got a virtual pass.
 

soundforbjt

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Feb 15, 2002
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This right here is the biggest disconnect when folks like DSF and other conservatives (lets be honest its mainly conservatives) start trying to complain about "fake news". To them its things they don't like or unnamed sources. Responsible news organizations use unnamed sources often in the their reporting so they can continue to use the source in the future. They also check the information to ensure it is confirmed before publishing. If the reporting is shown to be incorrect they will issue a retraction and if the journalist acted in bad faith acknowledge that and punish the journalist.
But most of their news sources are not journalists, so that idea is foreign to them.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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The Secretary of State is there to carry out policy, not make it.

I like this new move by Trump. To my way of viewing history and looking at his actions, I see a President building a war cabinet.
Holy shit, you're back, I had just assumed you were the pilot on MH370. I guess Taj had to switch accounts because too many people had him on ignore.
 
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BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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So Trump is unable to attract talent? That's bad management right there. If these people are the best his pool of potential hires has to offer then Trump is terrible at attracting talent and it's his fault. If they aren't the best then Trump sucks as a hiring manager.

I imagine it's a combination of both. Trump is incompetent, disloyal, dishonest, and erratic. His administration is in near-constant chaos. That's not a situation most competent professionals want to place themselves in.because they are most likely concerned that they will have their reputations tarnished by working for him. As evidence of this can you name a single, solitary person who has seen their national stature improve after going to work for this White House?

So MUCH winning!
 

Alpha One Seven

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You're the one making the statement that she's the worst SoS of all time, not me. As far as I can see we have a few different topics, so please provide specific events that you think prove your case.

1) Time in the Senate - what did she do there that made her a bad Secretary of State years later?
2) Her time in the White House (meaning in the 90's?) - I would love to know what she did two decades prior that made her a bad SoS.
3) Her books - what chapters of her books made her a bad SoS, specifically?
4) Her interviews - same question.
5) Long list of dead bodies - can you expand on this claim?

I feel like I've given you a decent scaffold to make your case. Please fill it in as much as you can. I'm excited for this discussion and for you to help me 'take off the blinders'!
Lol I am not going to give you a fish, but I'll teach you to fish. Hint use a search engine to find what is known about your topic of interest.
Happy hunting!
 
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Alpha One Seven

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So Trump is unable to attract talent? That's bad management right there. If these people are the best his pool of potential hires has to offer then Trump is terrible at attracting talent and it's his fault. If they aren't the best then Trump sucks as a hiring manager.

I imagine it's a combination of both. Trump is incompetent, disloyal, dishonest, and erratic. His administration is in near-constant chaos. That's not a situation most competent professionals want to place themselves in.because they are most likely concerned that they will have their reputations tarnished by working for him. As evidence of this can you name a single, solitary person who has seen their national stature improve after going to work for this White House?
No. Trump did not put everyone in Washington that is there.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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Lol I am not going to give you a fish, but I'll teach you to fish. Hint use a search engine to find what is known about your topic of interest.
Happy hunting!
Sorry, but if you're bringing claims, you have to back them up. You don't get to drop a turd on the floor then tell everyone else to research how to clean it up.

Your assertions. Your proof.
 

unseenmorbidity

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Sorry, but if you're bringing claims, you have to back them up. You don't get to drop a turd on the floor then tell everyone else to research how to clean it up.

Your assertions. Your proof.
The fact that HRC is the worst SOS of all time should be self evident to anyone even remotely informed. and neutral.

The only person that would deny that is an extreme partisan hack that would ignore any evidence you gave them anyway.
 

Alpha One Seven

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Sorry, but if you're bringing claims, you have to back them up. You don't get to drop a turd on the floor then tell everyone else to research how to clean it up.

Your assertions. Your proof.
When I feel that I have to do something some faceless fool on the internet says I need to do, I'll check myself into a hospital.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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The fact that HRC is the worst SOS of all time should be self evident to anyone even remotely informed. and neutral.

The only person that would deny that is an extreme partisan hack that would ignore any evidence you gave them anyway.
I don't ignore evidence. Provide evidence. Not opinion, but some kind of quantifiable fact regarding her efficacy as SoS.
 

Alpha One Seven

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The fact that HRC is the worst SOS of all time should be self evident to anyone even remotely informed. and neutral.

The only person that would deny that is an extreme partisan hack that would ignore any evidence you gave them anyway.
That's why I pointed them to the Internet search engines.
 

unseenmorbidity

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Nov 27, 2016
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I don't ignore evidence. Provide evidence. Not opinion, but some kind of quantifiable fact regarding her efficacy as SoS.
How about all the donations to the Clinton Foundation from foreign govts while she was SOS?

That should be more than enough evidence to close this case, and there's a lot more.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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How about all the donations to the Clinton Foundation from foreign govts while she was SOS?

That should be more than enough evidence to close this case, and there's a lot more.
Does that, specifically, make her a poor SoS? Did it affect her job duties, and is it outside the norm for SoS?
 
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