Trump has pardoned Joe Arpaio

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Arpaio is a delusional bully who thinks his opinions are the law. I witnessed his abuse first hand. The only border he ever defended was the line between reality and criminally insane which he did from the wrong side of the line.

 

[Humpy]

Obama

Haha.

 

[feralkid]

Obama granted executive clemency to a record 1,929 criminal turds, including drug dealers, terrorists, and murderers. More than Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, and Carter combined.

Trump pardons one: a 85 year old sheriff and libtards throw hissy fits proving what low-lifes they are.

Glorious.

False equivalency.

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

[Commodus]

Funny how Gov. Jerry Brown can release 1,400 inmates with life sentences (80% of whom were in prison for murder) back into Californian communities, and hardly a peep from any one about it. Some articles in fact praised him for being merciful.

Trump pardons an 85 year old former sheriff, who frankly doesn't have long to live nor poses any threat to the community, and the media goes nuts.

It's because of the scale of what he did, the viciousness of it, and the motivations behind the pardon.

Arpaio wreaked havoc across a huge swath of a state, in a fundamentally racist, anti-democratic fashion. And Trump is pardoning him not out of mercy, but because of bogus claims that it was a "witch hunt."

Basically: murder is horrible, but do you know what's also horrible? Widescale abuses of power that not only inflict suffering on thousands upon thousands of innocent people, but get the official approval of the President (who, naturally, is abusing power himself).

 

[ivwshane]

Funny how Gov. Jerry Brown can release 1,400 inmates with life sentences (80% of whom were in prison for murder) back into Californian communities, and hardly a peep from any one about it. Some articles in fact praised him for being merciful.

Trump pardons an 85 year old former sheriff, who frankly doesn't have long to live nor poses any threat to the community, and the media goes nuts.

I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on both your claims.

Feel free to prove me wrong and show me Obama and Jerry brown pardoned hundreds of murderers via a reliable citation.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on both your claims.

Feel free to prove me wrong and show me Obama and Jerry brown pardoned hundreds of murderers via a reliable citation.

Some actual details for you as opposed to hysterics and pearl clutching. The long story short version is, Brown is accepting parole board decisions:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/1400-lifers-released-from-california-prisons-in-last-3-years/

Edit: btw, his numbers are from 2014 (and note the date on the linked article is also from 2014)

 

[umbrella39]

False equivalency.

Whatever makes you feel better.

Beat me to it. That's all this loser has in his arsenal...

 

[ivwshane]

Some actual details for you as opposed to hysterics and pearl clutching. The long story short version is, Brown is accepting parole board decisions:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/1400-lifers-released-from-california-prisons-in-last-3-years/

Edit: btw, his numbers are from 2014 (and note the date on the linked article is also from 2014)

Thank you. So that covers brown. What about Obama? Were there similar circumstances for Obama's pardons? Last I read was that Obama's pardons were mostly related to drugs.

 

[pmv]

Obama granted executive clemency to a record 1,929 criminal turds, including drug dealers, terrorists, and murderers. More than Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, and Carter combined.

Trump pardons one: a 85 year old sheriff and libtards throw hissy fits proving what low-lifes they are.

Glorious.

Whatever. But may be time to stop pretending your precious 'constitution' means anything very much? It's clearly of no great significance (it appears to have rather a lot of loopholes). All that ever matters is what the populace will let the government get away with. The rest is just wallpaper.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Obama granted executive clemency to a record 1,929 criminal turds, including drug dealers, terrorists, and murderers. More than Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, and Carter combined.

Trump pardons one: a 85 year old sheriff and libtards throw hissy fits proving what low-lifes they are.

Glorious.

If only it depicted the Russian hookers delivering golden showers....SAD!

 

[fskimospy]

Funny how Gov. Jerry Brown can release 1,400 inmates with life sentences (80% of whom were in prison for murder) back into Californian communities, and hardly a peep from any one about it. Some articles in fact praised him for being merciful.

Trump pardons an 85 year old former sheriff, who frankly doesn't have long to live nor poses any threat to the community, and the media goes nuts.

Yes, exactly, and the media is very smart to go nuts as this is an incredible abuse of power that undermines the Constitution for all the reasons I mentioned already.

 

[fskimospy]

Thank you. So that covers brown. What about Obama? Were there similar circumstances for Obama's pardons? Last I read was that Obama's pardons were mostly related to drugs.

This is all irrelevant nonsense anyway. The problem isn't if Trump or Obama pardoned someone, it's what Trump pardoned him for.

This will be challenged in the courts and should be ruled an unconstitutional use of the pardon power as it undermines the separation of powers.

 

[fskimospy]

Do you think there was a "smidgen of corruption" in his decision?

Corruption is irrelevant. Let's put it in a way you might understand better: what if there was a sheriff who went around town confiscating everyone's guns? Say a court orders him to stop and he refuses, the court holds him in contempt, and Obama pardons him. What's to stop that sheriff (and every other sheriff) from confiscating everyone's gun? Impeachment? Give me a break.

 

[boomerang]

Funny how Gov. Jerry Brown can release 1,400 inmates with life sentences (80% of whom were in prison for murder) back into Californian communities, and hardly a peep from any one about it. Some articles in fact praised him for being merciful.

Trump pardons an 85 year old former sheriff, who frankly doesn't have long to live nor poses any threat to the community, and the media goes nuts.

Trump derangement syndrome is in play. It's become a drug to the left. They need a fix every day. The media is willing to supply it and the leftists are ingesting it with vigor.

All this drama over contempt of court. The left wants blood and in any form they can get it.

 

[brycejones]

Funny how Gov. Jerry Brown can release 1,400 inmates with life sentences (80% of whom were in prison for murder) back into Californian communities, and hardly a peep from any one about it. Some articles in fact praised him for being merciful.

Trump pardons an 85 year old former sheriff, who frankly doesn't have long to live nor poses any threat to the community, and the media goes nuts.

So guns and racist sheriffs are what madoka really cares about since he posts more on this subject than threads he starts on subjects other than those two things.

 

[brycejones]

Trump derangement syndrome is in play. It's become a drug to the left. They need a fix every day. The media is willing to supply it and the leftists are ingesting it with vigor.

All this drama over contempt of court. The left wants blood and in any form they can get it.

You poor partisan hack.

 

[UNCjigga]

Trump derangement syndrome is in play. It's become a drug to the left. They need a fix every day. The media is willing to supply it and the leftists are ingesting it with vigor.

All this drama over contempt of court. The left wants blood and in any form they can get it.

"Drama" over contempt of court vs. emails. Tell me again which side made their campaign slogan "lock her up", regardless of whether a crime was committed or prosecuted?

 

[zinfamous]

I suspect a pair of Sheriff Joe Underoos will be in the mail shortly.

 

[zinfamous]

All sheriffs should stand up for the law.

um...ok?

 

[zinfamous]

Oh and I see the False Equivalency cup runneth over, bigly in this thread.

I think we need to send the conservatives of this country off to a basic civics class. It seems much has been forgotten, or intentionally tossed away.

 

[VRAMdemon]

So let me see if I understand this: the POTUS just invoked the law to pardon a guy who was convicted of ignoring the law that said guy had sworn to uphold, in direct contravention to directives lawfully issued to him by another member of the law enforcement community. And I'm supposed to respect the POTUS's invocation of the law to pardon the guy who was convicted of ignoring the law, because that guy did such a good job of upholding the law, which a court convicted him for not upholding.

Although, on the scale of 1-10 of bad things Trump has done, this is like a 3 or 4 as far as I'm concerned. Arpaio is trash, but he is out of office and an 85 year old man that was excused from what would have probably been about a one month sentence.

If the President had waited for sentence to be imposed and then, if that sentence included jail, commuted that sentence. This would had served the goal of not imprisoning an 85 year old. And it also would have recognized that the guy was found guilty because the facts supported that finding, and left his conviction undisturbed.

But this outcome, the way he did it is just a nasty, gristly bone to the more radical anti-immigrant side of his base.

 

[zinfamous]

So let me see if I understand this: the POTUS just invoked the law to pardon a guy who was convicted of ignoring the law that said guy had sworn to uphold, in direct contravention to directives lawfully issued to him by another member of the law enforcement community. And I'm supposed to respect the POTUS's invocation of the law to pardon the guy who was convicted of ignoring the law, because that guy did such a good job of upholding the law, which a court convicted him for not upholding.

Although, on the scale of 1-10 of bad things Trump has done, this is like a 3 or 4 as far as I'm concerned. Arpaio is trash, but he is out of office and an 85 year old man that was excused from what would have probably been about a one month sentence.

If the President had waited for sentence to be imposed and then, if that sentence included jail, commuted that sentence. This would had served the goal of not imprisoning an 85 year old. And it also would have recognized that the guy was found guilty because the facts supported that finding, and left his conviction undisturbed.

But this outcome, the way he did it is just a nasty, gristly bone to the more radical anti-immigrant side of his base.

Yeah but Obama and Clinton.

...that's the defense of Trump here. literally.

 

[1prophet]

Far worse and more controversial have been pardoned and we survived.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Yeah but Obama and Clinton.

...that's the defense of Trump here. literally.

And the defense of Arpaio himself..

"Thank you @realdonaldtrump for seeing my conviction for what it is: a political witch hunt by holdovers in the Obama justice department!"

Doesn't sound like he is accepting his guilt.

 

[K1052]

But this outcome, the way he did it is just a nasty, gristly bone to the more radical anti-immigrant side of his base.

At the expense of his own party no less. The GOP has major problems in AZ since Trump's approval is badly underwater with independents, a pardon for Arpaio polled very poorly with all non-GOP affiliated voters (and only just 63% of Republicans for, more 10 points less than his approval with them), and Trump is stoking controversial options for a primary opponent against Flake.