Trump has pardoned Joe Arpaio

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agent00f

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Oh, so you know that I was about to support trump because I am a conservative even though I said I was not and have said he is a bad president. You know I'm a conservative even though I support liberal ideas that even you do not support.

Do you look at a potato and yell at everyone its a banana and you know its just pretending to be a potato?

It's just a fact that you parrot the trump/alt-right party line, whether it's the nazi/klan or taxes/"socialism" or misogyny and the list goes on, but are smart enough to distance yourself from the trump brand per se. Pretending to support "liberal free speech" in the context of the nazis/klan just like your alt-right/conservative buddies speaks for itself.

Oh I am quite conservative. And I'm quite liberal. Over most things I am both conservative and liberal. Do you believe a person can feel two ways about something simultaneously which are not compatible with each other? And that their actions and beliefs may not be consistent with their other actions and stated beliefs or prior actions or stated beliefs?

Everyone has their own solutions to the oedipal complex. I think trying to project onto others that they have chosen definitively between mom and dad and induce them to identify with this projection is a particularly bad solution.

I'd say you're somewhat smarter than realibrad about this, which is good enough for dumb enough democrats.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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I never said we should throw him in jail for crimes he hasn't been convicted, in believe he should be prosecuted for those as well. His age is irrelevant, he's an unrepentant criminal and he should be in prison.

That a due process would be involved is something I believed was missing from my interpretation of your prior statements. For how bad you believe THIS pardon is... based on those other things for which he has not been convicted. As if he should be serving time on those by prolonging his conviction on this. That this pardon stinks because of it.

I believe it should only be judged on its merits, for the actual crime that he was convicted. Which was pardoned. I'll state again, I believe it should have been a commuted sentence... and done at a later date.

You're literally arguing for the end of the rule of law. You're trying to say that people can abuse their power, be convicted of a crime, and suffer no consequences. I'm not about to stand for that.

Do you understand just how badly this undermines the constitution?

The sheriff is no longer sheriff. There have already been consequences. If he were a younger person I'd lean heavily towards seeing him serve his time. As it stands, I wouldn't allow anyone his age to hold office. Nor would I see us pay for his nursing home if we can help avoid it. Arpaio is no threat to society. I view jailing the elderly as beating a dead horse.

As for the message it sends, that's more interesting. We could have a much longer chat regarding the Judaical branch. As for this, it's more symbolic than functional. These proceedings started in, what, 2012? Trump won't be President when any copycats face conviction. I'd say let them try. They're going to lose.

Fixed "convicted".
 
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Jhhnn

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That a due process would be involved is something I believed was missing from my interpretation of your prior statements. For how bad you believe THIS pardon is... based on those other things for which he has not been convinced. As if he should be serving time on those by prolonging his conviction on this. That this pardon stinks because of it.

I believe it should only be judged on its merits, for the actual crime that he was convinced. Which was pardoned. I'll state again, I believe it should have been a commuted sentence... and done at a later date.



The sheriff is no longer sheriff. There have already been consequences. If he were a younger person I'd lean heavily towards seeing him serve his time. As it stands, I wouldn't allow anyone his age to hold office. Nor would I see us pay for his nursing home if we can help avoid it. Arpaio is no threat to society. I view jailing the elderly as beating a dead horse.

As for the message it sends, that's more interesting. We could have a much longer chat regarding the Judaical branch. As for this, it's more symbolic than functional. These proceedings started in, what, 2012? Trump won't be President when any copycats face conviction. I'd say let them try. They're going to lose.

In the meanwhile, don't look like a Mexican in any copycat jurisdictions...
 
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MagnusTheBrewer

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That a due process would be involved is something I believed was missing from my interpretation of your prior statements. For how bad you believe THIS pardon is... based on those other things for which he has not been convinced. As if he should be serving time on those by prolonging his conviction on this. That this pardon stinks because of it.

I believe it should only be judged on its merits, for the actual crime that he was convinced. Which was pardoned. I'll state again, I believe it should have been a commuted sentence... and done at a later date.



The sheriff is no longer sheriff. There have already been consequences. If he were a younger person I'd lean heavily towards seeing him serve his time. As it stands, I wouldn't allow anyone his age to hold office. Nor would I see us pay for his nursing home if we can help avoid it. Arpaio is no threat to society. I view jailing the elderly as beating a dead horse.

As for the message it sends, that's more interesting. We could have a much longer chat regarding the Judaical branch. As for this, it's more symbolic than functional. These proceedings started in, what, 2012? Trump won't be President when any copycats face conviction. I'd say let them try. They're going to lose.
At what age exactly are you planning on becoming a "dead horse"? I ask so I can avoid the State you're in.
 

Jaskalas

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At what age exactly are you planning on becoming a "dead horse"? I ask so I can avoid the State you're in.

I think 70 is a nice age limit for holding office / power. And then prison until 80 for non violent offenders. That's the general idea.
 

Jhhnn

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Yeah... like Trump and Sessions were ever going to be big on enforcing those laws.

So what? Obama wasn't either, but you still didn't want to look like a Mexican in Sheriff Joe's neck of the woods.
 

realibrad

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It's just a fact that you parrot the trump/alt-right party line, whether it's the nazi/klan or taxes/"socialism" or misogyny and the list goes on, but are smart enough to distance yourself from the trump brand per se. Pretending to support "liberal free speech" in the context of the nazis/klan just like your alt-right/conservative buddies speaks for itself.



I'd say you're somewhat smarter than realibrad about this, which is good enough for dumb enough democrats.

WTF taxes? When have we ever talked about taxes?

Honest question, do you do drugs? You have always been weird, but you seem legit crazy now. Your mind is all over the place. You seem to remember things that simply have not happened.
 

pmv

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. If he were a younger person I'd lean heavily towards seeing him serve his time. As it stands, I wouldn't allow anyone his age to hold office. Nor would I see us pay for his nursing home if we can help avoid it. Arpaio is no threat to society. I view jailing the elderly as beating a dead horse.

That's not a valid argument, even in passing. If the proposal were that _everyone_ of that age was to be freed, it would be fair enough, but that's not what's happening so it's not a relevant point. Suddenly turning into a highly-selective penal-reform liberal only for politically-amenable cases isn't convincing.
 

fskimospy

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That a due process would be involved is something I believed was missing from my interpretation of your prior statements. For how bad you believe THIS pardon is... based on those other things for which he has not been convicted. As if he should be serving time on those by prolonging his conviction on this. That this pardon stinks because of it.

I believe it should only be judged on its merits, for the actual crime that he was convicted. Which was pardoned. I'll state again, I believe it should have been a commuted sentence... and done at a later date.

To be clear I view this offense to be the most serious one of all and the one most demanding of prison time. He deliberately used law enforcement to attack his own people based on the color of their skin. If we don't punish abuse of power that egregious then what do we punish?

The sheriff is no longer sheriff. There have already been consequences. If he were a younger person I'd lean heavily towards seeing him serve his time. As it stands, I wouldn't allow anyone his age to hold office. Nor would I see us pay for his nursing home if we can help avoid it. Arpaio is no threat to society. I view jailing the elderly as beating a dead horse.

He lost election a good while before conviction so it's hard to say one is consequences for the other. More importantly, if the only consequence for this level of abuse of power is to lose power what deterrent is that? For example if he had stolen millions from the county and the only consequence was to lose his job, who wouldn't steal? (And this offense is far far worse than stealing)

As for the message it sends, that's more interesting. We could have a much longer chat regarding the Judaical branch. As for this, it's more symbolic than functional. These proceedings started in, what, 2012? Trump won't be President when any copycats face conviction. I'd say let them try. They're going to lose.

Fixed "convicted".

Maybe we should have that discussion because this decision is a direct attack on the Constitution and an independent judiciary. It's basically saying you don't have to follow court orders if you're doing something the president likes. That's incredibly dangerous.
 

Moonbeam

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I would think the concept of justice demands that law have a long arm.

I have trouble with the notion of mercy for those who had none and remain unrepentant. The sincerity, of course, of those that do repent raises additional questions..
 

interchange

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I would think the concept of justice demands that law have a long arm.

I have trouble with the notion of mercy for those who had none and remain unrepentant. The sincerity, of course, of those that do repent raises additional questions..

Everyone is the hero of their own story.
 

Moonbeam

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Everyone is the hero of their own story.
Right down to a preference for gender equality over traditional subject pronoun agreement, apparently. I think we should make a new word hierm for his or her. Their just jangles my nerves but if we can get used to chairperson we could get used to hierm. As to why my post produced your comment, I am in the dark despite trying to figure it out. It sounds like a fact of the ego so maybe you wanted to add that as an additional point??????
 

JujuFish

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Right down to a preference for gender equality over traditional subject pronoun agreement, apparently. I think we should make a new word hierm for his or her. Their just jangles my nerves but if we can get used to chairperson we could get used to hierm.

'They' has been used as a gender neutral singular pronoun for hundreds of years.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
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'They' has been used as a gender neutral singular pronoun for hundreds of years.

Sorry....it hasn't as "They" is a third person, PLURAL personal pronoun.

I, you, he, she, it are the singular personal pronouns.....first person, second person, third person respectively.

We, you, they are the plural personal pronouns.....first, second, third persons respectively.
 

JujuFish

Lifer
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Sorry....it hasn't as "They" is a third person, PLURAL personal pronoun.

I, you, he, she, it are the singular personal pronouns.....first person, second person, third person respectively.

We, you, they are the plural personal pronouns.....first, second, third persons respectively.

Just as 'you' was originally only a plural pronoun, with 'thou' as its singular, language evolves. 'They' has been used as a singular pronoun since at least the late 1300s.

See definition 1b: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/they

For further reading: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/singular-nonbinary-they
 
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trenchfoot

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I'm still waiting for Trump to posthumously pardon Adolf Hitler.

If your idea ever got to him, there would be a huge epic war of wills and words between him and his beleagered chief of staff of which I would love to be the proverbial fly on the wall to witness.

Being privy to watching Trump being Trump these past months, I swear he'd take you up on that notion as that would endear himself for all time with those Nutzis who fervently dream of creating the Fourth Reich out of what was formerly the USA.
 
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EDIT: Beaten to the punch I see

Merriam-Webster have this to say (from a short but rather interesting little article):

"We will note that they has been in consistent use as a singular pronoun since the late 1300s; that the development of singular they mirrors the development of the singular you from the plural you, yet we don’t complain that singular you is ungrammatical; and that regardless of what detractors say, nearly everyone uses the singular they in casual conversation and often in formal writing."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/singular-nonbinary-they
 
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