Trump hints at another stimulus check that will be much more generous than the last.

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Lifer
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Well, the first package was desperately needed and quickly. So it made sense to send it out to everyone (essentially, some didnt get it) without waiting to determine some eligibility criteria. A second stimulus could be more targeted to those who had lost their job (or much reduced hours), or small business owners that were closed down.

I was in the same situation as Lost. I had just retired, so the shutdown had no effect on my income at all, except that it squashed my plans to find a part time job.
Some still didn't get it, like my GF.
 

zinfamous

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Yet he poohpoohed the plan to award $2K/mo backdated to the beginning.

That said, it needs to be more targeted to those directly affected. I haven't worked in several years for reason that have nothing to do with the bug. I was not put out of work by the bug. I was not told to stay home.

I got the check and I used it. But I don't feel I should have gotten one. ONLY those who were put out by these orders should have. ONLY small businesses that were ordered to close should have gotten any form of compensation.

I understand this sentiment, but in many ways, the purpose of that check, and potential future checks is for you to use it--go out and buy shit. Buy things that you need and, in turn, it helps keep things running. That's how it works over here in this country, like it or not. If you don't "need" it, then use it for things that other businesses that are struggling, as you say, need...like customers. Take out and delivery has been running throughout. A LOT of businesses have been open throughout this time. No individual person has been forced to stay inside. If you want to help those businesses that need it, then go out and help them.

Those businesses that were forced to close, most of them are opening up again (...which I find to be a terrible idea. No human really needs a haircut or a tattoo, for example)...so go out and get a tattoo or whatever. Use the stimulus.

It's economic stimulus; not necessarily HTTP stimulus.
 

blackangst1

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This is one thing that mostly both sides of the aisle support. The only details that need to be worked out is the amount. I dont think it'll be as high as the Democrats wish of up to $6000 per household.
 

ondma

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This is one thing that mostly both sides of the aisle support. The only details that need to be worked out is the amount. I dont think it'll be as high as the Democrats wish of up to $6000 per household.
McConnell, I believe, has come out as opposing any further stimulus.
 
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I do not support the extra 2K per child. 2K per adult might even be high considering they're talking about per month back to March or earlier.
 
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The problem is that determining that is hard and setting up rules for how it must be used keeps businesses that need it from getting it.

Sure, some of it will go to those who don’t need it but from a practical governance perspective we should just give it to everyone and call it a day.
I think the other problem is that the stimulus check isnt made to be some kind of survival check. It's to get people to spend money to stimulate the economy.

If it only went to people who "need" it then sure - it will probably be spent on groceries, utilities, clothes, etc .. and other necessities.

But you know who else needs people spending ? Literally everything. Including wants, an upgraded toilet bidet, etc. Etc. All of these are companies that have employees that we need to stay afloat.
 

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I think the other problem is that the stimulus check isnt made to be some kind of survival check. It's to get people to spend money to stimulate the economy.

If it only went to people who "need" it then sure - it will probably be spent on groceries, utilities, clothes, etc .. and other necessities.

But you know who else needs people spending ? Literally everything. Including wants, an upgraded toilet bidet, etc. Etc. All of these are companies that have employees that we need to stay afloat.


It's amazing to see people consciously or unconsciously understand that the best type of stimulus is direct and not the bull shit trickle down crap the Republicans have been pushing on us for decades.
 

zinfamous

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I think the other problem is that the stimulus check isnt made to be some kind of survival check. It's to get people to spend money to stimulate the economy.

If it only went to people who "need" it then sure - it will probably be spent on groceries, utilities, clothes, etc .. and other necessities.

But you know who else needs people spending ? Literally everything. Including wants, an upgraded toilet bidet, etc. Etc. All of these are companies that have employees that we need to stay afloat.

right. so what's the problem with sending it to everyone?

Those that need it as you say, sure, will actually spend it on the things they need.

Those "who also need it," but you for some reason think no one is paying attention to, will actually spend it on the wants, which is what the economy needs, also....as you say

win win win.
 
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zinfamous

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It's amazing to see people consciously or unconsciously understand that the best type of stimulus is direct and not the bull shit trickle down crap the Republicans have been pushing on us for decades.

I know right! sometimes things work themselves out!
 

fskimospy

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right. so what's the problem with sending it to everyone?

Those that need it as you say, sure, will actually spend it on the things they need.

Those "who also need it," but you for some reason think no one is paying attention to, will actually spend it on the wants, which is what the economy needs, also....as you say

win win win.
I mean to me it sounds like he was supporting sending it to everyone.
 
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right. so what's the problem with sending it to everyone?

Those that need it as you say, sure, will actually spend it on the things they need.

Those "who also need it," but you for some reason think no one is paying attention to, will actually spend it on the wants, which is what the economy needs, also....as you say

win win win.

Yes... where am I disagreeing? And why are you insinuating that I would disagree?

That still doesn't mean other businesses don't need support as well.

Democrats were all about giving money to hospitals because no one is going in to do elective procedures and doctor visits right now. No amount of "direct stimulus" is going to make someone say "Oh, maybe I will get that surgery now" when the problem isn't the money - it's the fear of going anywhere near a hospital.

The same goes for plenty of other small-businesses and services. No amount of stimulus is going to get most people to go to gyms until all this shit blows over. Same with any services that involve close contact (salons, massages, etc.).
 
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SMOGZINN

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No amount of "direct stimulus" is going to make someone say "Oh, maybe I will get that surgery now" when the problem isn't the money - it's the fear of going anywhere near a hospital.

Hospitals are not stopping procedures because their patients are afraid of going near a hospital, it is that hospitals are in emergency mode currently and have canceled all non-essential medical procedures because it is not safe to do them. The only way to help hospitals is going to be direct stimulus. Just another problem with for profit medicine.
 

zinfamous

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Yes... where am I disagreeing? And why are you insinuating that I would disagree?

That still doesn't mean other businesses don't need support as well.

Democrats were all about giving money to hospitals because no one is going in to do elective procedures and doctor visits right now. No amount of "direct stimulus" is going to make someone say "Oh, maybe I will get that surgery now" when the problem isn't the money - it's the fear of going anywhere near a hospital.

The same goes for plenty of other small-businesses and services. No amount of stimulus is going to get most people to go to gyms until all this shit blows over. Same with any services that involve close contact (salons, massages, etc.).

yes, we're in agreement. I think all stimulus needs to bypass banks and corporate interests in their entirety, and go directly to small business owners and individuals that have bills to pay with. Mortgages will get paid and there is no reason that the banks need to control how they want the mortgages to be paid, which as we know, is a complete farce.

major corporations that have expensive leases and debt and all that; well I'm sure they were responsible enough to keep money around, stashed wherever it could be found, to take care of their problems. I'm sure of it. If not, well tough titties.
 
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yes, we're in agreement. I think all stimulus needs to bypass banks and corporate interests in their entirety, and go directly to small business owners and individuals that have bills to pay with. Mortgages will get paid and there is no reason that the banks need to control how they want the mortgages to be paid, which as we know, is a complete farce.

major corporations that have expensive leases and debt and all that; well I'm sure they were responsible enough to keep money around, stashed wherever it could be found, to take care of their problems. I'm sure of it. If not, well tough titties.

I... reluctantly agree....

But do you honestly think our government would administrate it any better? When they can't even send out direct deposits to individual people in a reasonable amount of time?

Then they would have to quantify how much the small business needs, and if they actually do need it, etc...

I also don't think you can say "tough titties" for every large corporation. It is entirely unrealistic to expect them to have 12+ months of expenditures for if their customer-base magically dies tomorrow.
 
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