Trump is looking into "rescinding" National Monuments

[FIVR]

I was watching Bloomberg and saw one of the talking heads talking about this, and I had never heard it before. No president has ever rescinded national monument status, but in the 3 month long tradition of Trump removing every Obama executive order, he has decided he would also like to rescind all the parks and national monuments Obama created. This is a completely novel concept that no president has ever even attempted to float as an idea, ostensibly because it is incredibly cynical to remove protections from parts of the country already specially set aside for future generations.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...r-could-rescind-national-monuments/100914086/


I'm curious how far Trump will get with this. Thankfully he is targeting Utah first. Maybe we can set up an oil derrick right on Stone Mountain and strip mine confederate war memorials next.

 

[Commodus]

The sad thing is, this really just underscores Trump's central flaw: his ego-driven pettiness.

He's the sort who will gladly fixate on perceived wrongs and implement bad ideas purely out of spite. His supporters would likely have said nothing if he left national monuments alone, but nope -- he has to 'prove' that he hates Obama that much.

With that said, this is a review, and Trump's camp thankfully won't have that much control over designations and the size of the affected land. A lot of this is for show, to pander to the mindless Trump fans who would be genuinely happy if all traces of Obama were wiped off the face of the planet.

 

[Thebobo]

Bears Ear is the main target. http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...protected-thanks-obama.2495919/#post-38655120 Under the guise of a signed executive order byTrump to look at all Nationam Monuments started in the last 30 years? they will decide if any need to be rethinked lol. 100 chance they will go after Bear's Ear.

 

[Jhhnn]

Repubs just want to blot the memory & the accomplishments of the evil Kenyan Usurper from our collective memory. If Obama did it, it was just wrong because it was him doing it.

 

[FIVR]

I'm mostly worried he will start targeting important states like California and Hawaii where there are huge amounts of extremely valuable land tied up in scores of these national monuments. Utah is mostly a desert and I can understand why people would want to develop it as about a third of the state is specially designated for ordinance disposal...but there are other states where important people live that we should be concerned about.

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm mostly worried he will start targeting important states like California and Hawaii where there are huge amounts of extremely valuable land tied up in scores of these national monuments. Utah is mostly a desert and I can understand why people would want to develop it as about a third of the state is specially designated for ordinance disposal...but there are other states where important people live that we should be concerned about.

Bear's Ears is some of the most remote & inhospitable country in N America. The only kind of development we'll likely see is drilling rigs... which is the whole point, obviously.

 

[sandorski]

Rape and Pillage everything!

 

[ch33zw1z]

We shall be great again.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I sorta hope he tries. Few things would unite Americans against him more.

 

[fskimospy]

Hey look. The president is an idiot. Shocking.

 

[JSt0rm]

Obama was a pretty good president. Imagine how good he would of been if deplorable said weren't focused on black man president.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Liiiiiike i said... "nekulturny." The guy's such a complete vulgarian he'll tear this stuff down out of spite even without a monetary incentive. I can't imagine how much it sucks to be so totally tasteless.

 

[Jhhnn]

Rape and Pillage everything!

It'll hasten the Rapture!

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

You're joking, but this is what a very frightening percentage of this nation's government actually believe. Like Pence, who will be President if Drumpf is impeached.

 

[Chiropteran]

It's weird how in that other thread, there is the narrative that Obama didn't really do anything, because it was already federal land.

My favorite was a line in a Washington Post article where critics called it a "federal land grab," obviously neglecting the fact that the land is already federally owned.

Somehow now if Trump rescinds Obama's order, there are some major changes occurring, even though the land is still going to be federal land.

 

[IronWing]

It's weird how in that other thread, there is the narrative that Obama didn't really do anything, because it was already federal land.



Somehow now if Trump rescinds Obama's order, there are some major changes occurring, even though the land is still going to be federal land.

The Antiquities Act of 1906 doesn't provide any mechanism for a President, acting alone, to rescind a national monument once proclaimed. Rescinding a national monument must be done through Congress.

American Antiquities Act of 1906
16 USC 431-433
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That any person who shall appropriate, excavate, injure, or destroy any historic or prehistoric ruin or monument, or any object of antiquity, situated on lands owned or controlled by the Government of the United States, without the permission of the Secretary of the Department of the Government having jurisdiction over the lands on which said antiquities are situated, shall, upon conviction, be fined in a sum of not more than five hundred dollars or be imprisoned for a period of not more than ninety days, or shall suffer both fine and imprisonment, in the discretion of the court.

Sec. 2. That the President of the United States is hereby authorized, in his discretion, to declare by public proclamation historic landmarks, historic and prehistoric structures, and other objects of historic or scientific interest that are situated upon the lands owned or controlled by the Government of the United States to be national monuments, and may reserve as a part thereof parcels of land, the limits of which in all cases shall be confined to the smallest area compatible with proper care and management of the objects to be protected: Provided, That when such objects are situated upon a tract covered by a bona fied unperfected claim or held in private ownership, the tract, or so much thereof as may be necessary for the proper care and management of the object, may be relinquished to the Government, and the Secretary of the Interior is hereby authorized to accept the relinquishment of such tracts in behalf of the Government of the United States.

Sec. 3. That permits for the examination of ruins, the excavation of archaeological sites, and the gathering of objects of antiquity upon the lands under their respective jurisdictions may be granted by the Secretaries of the Interior, Agriculture, and War to institutions which the may deem properly qualified to conduct such examination, excavation, or gathering, subject to such rules and regulation as they may prescribe: Provided, That the examinations, excavations, and gatherings are undertaken for the benefit of reputable museums, universities, colleges, or other recognized scientific or educational institutions, with a view to increasing the knowledge of such objects, and that the gatherings shall be made for permanent preservation in public museums.

Sec. 4. That the Secretaries of the Departments aforesaid shall make and publish from time to time uniform rules and regulations for the purpose of carrying out the provisions of this Act.

Approved, June 8, 1906

https://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/anti1906.htm

 

[Zorba]

I can't stand how wingnuts always frame the argument of National Monuments like the feds came in and stole the land from private land owners. It was the fed's land to begin with, they just changed how it was being managed.

The federal government tried very hard to give away most of the western lands for over 100 years. Whats left under federal control is land that nobody wanted.

 

[trenchfoot]

Repubs just want to blot the memory & the accomplishments of the evil Kenyan Usurper from our collective memory. If Obama did it, it was just wrong because it was him doing it.

I was going to mention this and add in that what Trump is doing is in principle the same thing that ISIS was/is doing in those regions where they claim sovereignty over those lands they have occupied: wiping out the historical record, monuments and achievements of those that came before them in order to clean the slate of any memories that will contaminate the new religious order.

In Trump's case, to eliminate Obama's legacy of achievements and historical firsts is also the goal of the GOP itself. They in concert want to erase Obama's legacy from the minds of the electorate not only because it gives them a better chance of "squirting their stink of ownership" on all things political, they also don't want to be hamstrung from chasing the ghost of Obama every time they feel the need to erase Obama's accomplishments that benefited the working class that of course goes directly against the GOP's ideology of screwing the middle class and the poor in order "to keep those peasants in their place."

The GOP, at the behest of their very wealthy oligarchs, want to drive the middle class out of existence. To do this they need to erase the memories of how the middle class was once a vibrant a politically strong demographic and the backbone of American society. The GOP wants to and have created certain conditions where the threat of a resurgent middle class will never ever rear its ugly head but their job isn't complete yet and they want to get it done before the working class can wake up and successfully rise against them.

Trump is no different in this regard. He grew up living the life of a spoiled prince with all the expectations that he would rule his world with that same mindset. The only threat to his rule comes from the same threat those "royals" faced going back thousands of years: the commoners, the peasants, the unclean.

How any sane person of the working class can think that Trump would help them become the biggest threat to his pile of cash and the privileges and benefits that go with it is beyond me.

It just simply and plainly does not make sense. That his blue collar followers actually believe all of his lies and the false hopes he sold them makes even less sense, but it seems millions of them are still buying into his scam of the century even after promise after promise after promise he made to them were blatantly broken and reneged on. Even after Trump was obviously exposed as being of, for and by the very wealthy and of whom are his first and only concern.

 

[FIVR]

You're right about Trump trying to erase Obama's achievements, but I would just point out that historically (at least in Europe) it actually wasn't the commoners whom the second estate feared, it was their own. They feared other kings and people of noble blood more than anybody else. This was precisely because "the divine right of kings" was ingrained into the lowliest commoner's minds by thousands of years of clergy preaching that the most terrible sin is revolting against the nobility, and the greatest virtue is obedience. The first estate, the clergy, posed an intellectual threat... but the only person who could take power from the nobility was another noble. You probably were basing your historical perception on the French Revolution, which was highly atypical and was actually precipitated by massive famine and centuries of war.


This is the hierarchical world Trump would like to return to, with himself as King Turd of S-Mountain. It doesn't matter if S-Mountain is miserable for everyone else as long as Trump is King Turd.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I can't stand how wingnuts always frame the argument of National Monuments like the feds came in and stole the land from private land owners. It was the fed's land to begin with, they just changed how it was being managed.

The federal government tried very hard to give away most of the western lands for over 100 years. Whats left under federal control is land that nobody wanted.

Excluding those filthy indians of course.

 

[Zorba]

Excluding those filthy indians of course.

Of course. But I don't hear anyone in the GOP fighting to give that land back to the natives. They want to give it to white rancher's and loggers.

 

[zinfamous]

This is a guy that never got over a single-line comment about his teeny tiny hands, decades ago. This was known about him well before the election, and is merely one of many known examples of his childish pettiness.

How is any of this surprising?

 

[Genx87]

The Antiquities Act of 1906 doesn't provide any mechanism for a President, acting alone, to rescind a national monument once proclaimed. Rescinding a national monument must be done through Congress.



https://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/anti1906.htm

Oh great, now we get to listen to Drumpf complain the law is in his way when a judge block him destroying national monuments.

 

[PricklyPete]

I'm mostly worried he will start targeting important states like California and Hawaii where there are huge amounts of extremely valuable land tied up in scores of these national monuments. Utah is mostly a desert and I can understand why people would want to develop it as about a third of the state is specially designated for ordinance disposal...but there are other states where important people live that we should be concerned about.

I assume you are being an ass on purpose, but you are doing a particularly awesome job at it. Utah has some of the most amazing landscapes in our country and protection of these places should be a high priority. The whole point of National Monuments, Parks, Wildernesses is to preserve places that people haven't already ruined.

 

[UNCjigga]

I assume you are being an ass on purpose, but you are doing a particularly awesome job at it. Utah has some of the most amazing landscapes in our country and protection of these places should be a high priority. The whole point of National Monuments, Parks, Wildernesses is to preserve places that people haven't already ruined.

Well in the age of Trumpism, policy be damned, it's all about fucking over that guy you don't like (damn that Obama.) So in that vein, I DO hope they start with Utah, because fuck Jason Chaffetz.