Trump is looking into "rescinding" National Monuments

[Thebobo]

So the list has been narrowed and as we all knew the whole charade to get public input was a farce, as they ignored it anyway. They are being very quiet/sneaky about the final list but its being reported that there are three sites they will shrink. And of course Bears Ear is one of them cutting the size by 90%.

Full story on Bears Ear

As the Trump administration continues to stoke a debate around commemorating our nation’s history, it’s increasingly clear whose culture they don’t care about. Yesterday, Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke reportedly recommended that President Trump eliminate nearly 90 percent of Bears Ears National Monument in Utah, an area sacred to Native American tribes across the Southwest. This unprecedented and illegal action would endanger tens of thousands of archaeological sites over an area the size of Glacier National Park.

For more than 80 years, tribes and conservationists have worked to protect this stunning red rock landscape full of ruins, rock art and other cultural sites. Last year, at the urging of five Southwestern tribes, President Obama designated Bears Ears National Monument to celebrate Native American cultural history and to protect these archaeological sites from looting and vandalism.

And then there is this

Erasing huge chunks of our parks from the map was Secretary Zinke’s intended outcome from the beginning of his four-month review of 27 national monuments. During that time, Zinke visited Utah to meet with rabidly anti-public lands politicians and monument opponents, while shutting out a strong and diverse coalition of Bears Ears supporters. Similarly, Zinke received more than 2.7 million comments from Americans virtually united in their demand that he leave our national monuments alone. In a brief report summary devoid of any details, Zinke summarily dismissed monument supporters, saying their opinions were “false” and with “no basis in fact.”

Newspapaer rock Bears Ear National Monument.

 

[sandorski]

MAGA

 

[FIVR]

The only monuments he wants to preserve are monuments to slave holders. Trump wants us all to be left with a steaming pile of burnt garbage in the form of this polluted, dying country... when he dies. Which in all likelihood will be soon.

 

[Thebobo]

In case you didn't check out the brief report on the conclusion

https://www.doi.gov/sites/doi.gov/files/uploads/monument-report-summary.pdf

Comments received were overwhelmingly in favor of maintaining existing monuments and demonstrated a well orchestrated national campaign organized by multiple organizations. Opponents of monuments primarily supported rescinding or modifying the existing monuments to protect traditional multiple use, and those most concerned were often local residents associated with industries such as grazing, timber production, mining, hunting and fishing, and motorized recreation. Opponents point to other cases where monument designation has resulted in reduced public access, road closures, hunting and fishing restrictions, multiple and confusing management plans, reduced grazing allotments and timber production, and pressure applied to private land owners encompassed by or adjacent to a monument to sell.

yea get off your 4 wheelers you fat fuckers and walk! "confusing management plans."You can fish in National monuments. And in the case of bears ear there ain't much fishing. Also with Bears Ear there ain't much timber duh. And what the hell is "protect traditional multiple use." And the last sentence is pure bullshit! Bat dung! Cow mines!

 

[Puffnstuff]

The sad thing is, this really just underscores Trump's central flaw: his ego-driven pettiness.

He's the sort who will gladly fixate on perceived wrongs and implement bad ideas purely out of spite. His supporters would likely have said nothing if he left national monuments alone, but nope -- he has to 'prove' that he hates Obama that much.

With that said, this is a review, and Trump's camp thankfully won't have that much control over designations and the size of the affected land. A lot of this is for show, to pander to the mindless Trump fans who would be genuinely happy if all traces of Obama were wiped off the face of the planet.

Next he'll want the founding father's faces off Mount Rushmore to be replaced with......himself in gold trim.

 

[Thebobo]

There have been hearings on capitol hill concerning the secret report Zinke Watt er I mean James Watt er I mean Ryan Zinke's report to the president on the National monuments they want to fuck with. This has not been released to the public yet. Apparently the report is full of errors and let's just call it lies. Here is a clip from one of the sessions, poor mustache dude has to sit there and take it. I like this Senator Martin Heinrich, he's got some balls.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1317405171701171

 

[Puffnstuff]

Trump is so full of sh!t that by the time this is all over with he'll want his face on a mountain, a monument and a gold plated aircraft carrier so he can gloat.

 

[Thebobo]

Here is a more complete list of "falsehoods" In Zinkies report to Trump. Good job at collecting accurate data to make decisions on. um not.

All of the falsehoods in Ryan Zinke’s leaked national monuments report.
https://medium.com/westwise/all-of-...secret-national-monuments-report-4f62904b9275

Also Zinke says "a third of Interior’s staff is disloyal to Trump and promises ‘huge’ change." Loyal? Loyalty pledges from all govt employees now?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Scum misleading scum, what could possibly go wrong with our national heritage?

 

[Thebobo]

The news coming out is Tump is heading to Utah in December to announce his intent to shrink Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments. It's not clear whether he can do this alone and without congress and it's sure to head to the courts. Also the recent monuments agreements were made with a coalition of state and local indian tribes so no doubt that they will also file suit .

"Washington • President Donald Trump plans to visit Utah in December to announce that he will trim the boundaries of the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments, a move that is likely to spur an instant court battle.

Trump, after meeting with Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke earlier Friday, called Sen. Orrin Hatch to tell him that he has decided to change the designations that Hatch, the Utah delegation and state officials have been pushing.

“I’m approving the Bears Ears recommendation for you, Orrin,” the president told the Utah Republican in a phone call, according to Hatch’s office."

http://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...hell-shrink-the-bears-ears-national-monument/

 

[K1052]

This entire presidency is going to be dedicated to the destruction of anything his predecessors touched, especially Obama. Trump has nothing constructive to offer because he’s got no greater aspiration than his own self aggrandizement. I very much doubt history will look back favorably on his term.

 

[bradly1101]

The sad thing is, this really just underscores Trump's central flaw: his ego-driven pettiness.

He's the sort who will gladly fixate on perceived wrongs and implement bad ideas purely out of spite. His supporters would likely have said nothing if he left national monuments alone, but nope -- he has to 'prove' that he hates Obama that much.

With that said, this is a review, and Trump's camp thankfully won't have that much control over designations and the size of the affected land. A lot of this is for show, to pander to the mindless Trump fans who would be genuinely happy if all traces of Obama were wiped off the face of the planet.

It would be funny if it weren't so sad. Trump used to be a democrat, but in his enduring desire for power he knew that democrats were too logical to give him political clout. The right is more easily swayed by demagoguery.

 

[bradly1101]

There have been hearings on capitol hill concerning the secret report Zinke Watt er I mean James Watt er I mean Ryan Zinke's report to the president on the National monuments they want to fuck with. This has not been released to the public yet. Apparently the report is full of errors and let's just call it lies. Here is a clip from one of the sessions, poor mustache dude has to sit there and take it. I like this Senator Martin Heinrich, he's got some balls.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1317405171701171

But don't we now live in a "post-fact" society?

 

[Thebobo]

Trump just announced at a press conference Bear's Ear reduced by 80 percent and Escalante by 45 percent. Pretty sure both will head to the courts. Part of trumps rational is these lands are the people's land of the state which is not true since the land was BLM land which is not the states to begin with. Some 80% of americans that responded to their public input wanted to keep the monuments and the interior dept even admitted as such.

 

[Commodus]

Trump just announced at a press conference Bear's Ear reduced by 80 percent and Escalante by 45 percent. Pretty sure booth will head to the courts. Part of trumps rational is these lands are the people's land of the state which is not true since the land was BLM land which is not the states to begin with. Some 80+ of americans that responded to their public input wanted to keep the monuments and the interior dept even admitted as such.

The courts are really the saving grace at this point. Hopefully they can delay or block this long enough to get some adults into the government again.

 

[vi edit]

Like a toddler knocking all the toys off the table before being sent to their room...

 

[Puffnstuff]

Would it surprise anyone if some of his pals scarfed up some of the land?

 

[ElFenix]

The courts are really the saving grace at this point. Hopefully they can delay or block this

trump is packing those, so, no.

 

[bshole]

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[imported_tajmahal]

It's about "righting past overreach"
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/04/t...nts-law-is-all-about-righting-past-overreach/

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Trump will sign orders to shrink the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments as recommended by Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke. However, that’s only the first step in the administration’s plan for the Antiquities Act.

In the coming months, the Department of the Interior (DOI) will begin a larger conversation about how the Antiquities Act of 1906 is implemented once the president designates a national monument, The Daily Caller News Foundation has learned.

The Interior Department will focus on “righting past overreach,” according to an official, by protecting national monuments in a manner that’s “consistent with the law.” The agency will also ensure lands properly cared for, and that critical infrastructure, like roads, bridges and trails, don’t fall into disrepair.
“Public lands should be for the enjoyment of everyone, not just special interests,” will be the Trump administration’s message in this effort. Going forward, Interior will make sure local voices are not drowned out by “large, well-funded NGOs and special interests,” the official said."

 

[IronWing]

The Interior Department will focus on “righting past overreach,” according to an official, by protecting national monuments in a manner that’s “consistent with the law.” The agency will also ensure lands properly cared for, and that critical infrastructure, like roads, bridges and trails, don’t fall into disrepair.
“Public lands should be for the enjoyment of everyone, not just special interests,” will be the Trump administration’s message in this effort. Going forward, Interior will make sure local voices are not drowned out by “large, well-funded NGOs and special interests,” the official said."

Which is why the Trump administration is pandering to special interests (welfare ranchers and oil) in this illegal downsizing of monuments.

 

[senseamp]

Everyone knows Republican states are for mining and dumping Uranium.

 

[Thebobo]

...Going forward, Interior will make sure local voices are not drowned out by “large, well-funded NGOs and special interests,” the official said."

I don't think you understand civics. The president can't legally remove this land from monument designation only congress can. And "local voices" for PUBLIC land? Its not the state's land it was the BLMs land and that belongs to us all. Not some local rednecks who want to drive their ATF everywhere because they are to fat to walk anywhere.

Bottom line this is this going to the courts first before anything changes.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Which is why the Trump administration is pandering to special interests (welfare ranchers and oil) in this illegal downsizing of monuments.

No, he's opposing the eco- extremists and big money NGOs.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I don't think you understand civics. The president can legally remove this land from monument designation only congress can. And "local voices" for PUBLIC land. Its not the state's land it was the BLMs land and that belongs to us all. Not some local rednecks who want to drive their ATF everywhere because they are to fat to walk anywhere.

We'll see what the Courts say, this is a first step.