Trump Judicial Nominee Refusing to Say if She Supports Brown v. Board of Education

Zorba

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Yes, not agreeing with Brown vs Board of Education should be an automatic disqualification.
 

trenchfoot

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Well we're talking about Louisiana here where her admitting to such a travesty of justice (Brown v. BOE) will get her tarred and feathered by a small but very active and influential group of folks that she seems to belongs to.

As far as Trump's concerned, she a perfect candidate that apparently shares the same sentiments about segregation that he does so as far as Trump is concerned where's the problem here?

edit - clarification
 
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umbrella39

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I dislike the coloreds but if honored enough to gain this appointment I'd be bound to the SCOTUS rulings and uphold it...

I think she fits right in... Shame mainstream America really doesn't seem to be paying attention to what is going on in this country. Too busy liking cat memes on FB... No offense to any cat meme lovers of course...
 

justoh

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Not supporting Brown doesn't make you a racist. If racism = inherently unequal, to believe in separate and equal... isn't compatible. Alternatively, If you object to judicial activism, also not racism, especially if you're a judge. It would be more telling whether she's religious/conservative than whether she's against a decision without basis. I think judicial activism is fine, as long as it's doing something I personally want, like Brown, but that doesn't mean everyone needs to be so irresponsible. What if they're making decisions you don't like? She may well be supportive of a congressional declaration that separate can't be equal.
 

ch33zw1z

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You should probably just watch the video.

Shes a pro-birth nutter who's made blatantly false statements about planned Parenthood in the past. She claims that won't influence her decisions as a judge, but that's malarkey.
 

interchange

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Well she certainly was clear that she would uphold it. Personally, there are some court decisions which I find morally good but stretch beyond the Constitution and thus the Court's authority. This is not one of those cases. Would love to hear the nominee's legal thinking on this. But it's a landmine. No way any answer other then "yes it was the correct decision" isn't appreciated as being racist.
 
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mikeymikec

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Well she certainly was clear that she would uphold it. Personally, there are some court decisions which I find morally good but stretch beyond the Constitution and thus the Court's authority. This is not one of those cases. Would love to hear the nominee's legal thinking on this. But it's a landmine. No way any answer other then "yes it was the correct decision" isn't appreciated as being racist.

I agree with you, taking it at face value, but what worries me is (at least from the quote, I haven't watched all of the video) her lack of explicit communication on the topic which is obviously a skill that a judge must have in spades. Why on earth does she even mention her personal beliefs if they're irrelevant? It would be like a Catholic doctor mentioning his religious belief when talking about abortion, whether or not he then claims it's irrelevant, there's a reason why he chose to mention it. The fact that she wasn't explicit in her response leaves what she did say open to interpretation for possible implications. Furthermore, she talks about not wanting to criticise her bosses' rulings yet surely her job directly involves what her professional opinions are going to be about those rulings. The questioner seems to have a far better grasp of the importance of these questions than she does. It's very odd. I think she's hiding her motives with weasel wording.
 

HomerJS

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Not supporting Brown doesn't make you a racist. If racism = inherently unequal, to believe in separate and equal... isn't compatible. Alternatively, If you object to judicial activism, also not racism, especially if you're a judge. It would be more telling whether she's religious/conservative than whether she's against a decision without basis. I think judicial activism is fine, as long as it's doing something I personally want, like Brown, but that doesn't mean everyone needs to be so irresponsible. What if they're making decisions you don't like? She may well be supportive of a congressional declaration that separate can't be equal.
If she's has the level of intelligence to be a justice should have no trouble explaining herself.
 

Zorba

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Not supporting Brown doesn't make you a racist. If racism = inherently unequal, to believe in separate and equal... isn't compatible. Alternatively, If you object to judicial activism, also not racism, especially if you're a judge. It would be more telling whether she's religious/conservative than whether she's against a decision without basis. I think judicial activism is fine, as long as it's doing something I personally want, like Brown, but that doesn't mean everyone needs to be so irresponsible. What if they're making decisions you don't like? She may well be supportive of a congressional declaration that separate can't be equal.
Supporting segregation does make you a racist, there is no grey area there. There is no nuance with segregation, if you don't want black people in your school, you are racist.
 

fskimospy

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Not supporting Brown doesn't make you a racist. If racism = inherently unequal, to believe in separate and equal... isn't compatible. Alternatively, If you object to judicial activism, also not racism, especially if you're a judge. It would be more telling whether she's religious/conservative than whether she's against a decision without basis. I think judicial activism is fine, as long as it's doing something I personally want, like Brown, but that doesn't mean everyone needs to be so irresponsible. What if they're making decisions you don't like? She may well be supportive of a congressional declaration that separate can't be equal.

Derp. The finding of Brown was basically that separate but equal could never actually be equal. Actual history shows that was obviously true.

Thanks for reverting to the 'stupidest person alive' character, btw.
 
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Greenman

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Supporting segregation does make you a racist, there is no grey area there. There is no nuance with segregation, if you don't want black people in your school, you are racist.
What about black people that want segregated schools? There was a fellow on the news a year or so back demanding that blacks have their own schools, banks, and currency. I don't think for a moment that this is any kind of movement, but it's obviously a desire held by some.
 

bshole

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Supporting segregation does make you a racist, there is no grey area there. There is no nuance with segregation, if you don't want black people in your school, you are racist.

LoL, aren't American schools more segregated than ever? My nieces and nephews are all attending PUBLIC schools with a grand total of 0 African Americans.
 

HomerJS

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What about black people that want segregated schools? There was a fellow on the news a year or so back demanding that blacks have their own schools, banks, and currency. I don't think for a moment that this is any kind of movement, but it's obviously a desire held by some.
Bit of a difference when an individual black or white person yelling they want segregated schools. Don't care. State sponsored segregated schools is something a judge should be able to discuss intellectually. This gives people insight as to how they would make future rulings.
 

Zorba

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What about black people that want segregated schools? There was a fellow on the news a year or so back demanding that blacks have their own schools, banks, and currency. I don't think for a moment that this is any kind of movement, but it's obviously a desire held by some.
Yes, any one that wants race based segregation is a racist. If there was a mountain of data that showed improved outcomes from segregation, maybe you could have a debate about it, but the evidence points the other way.
 

Zorba

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LoL, aren't American schools more segregated than ever? My nieces and nephews are all attending PUBLIC schools with a grand total of 0 African Americans.
This is a problem in the US, but it isn't not state mandated or maintained. It happens because people self segregate, generally along economic lines nowadays.

I think something should be done to reverse this trend in schools, but it is a much different issue than Brown v Board.
 

pauldun170

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What about black people that want segregated schools? There was a fellow on the news a year or so back demanding that blacks have their own schools, banks, and currency. I don't think for a moment that this is any kind of movement, but it's obviously a desire held by some.

This news you speak of.
Did it happen to be on FoxNews?
 

sdifox

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Supporting segregation does make you a racist, there is no grey area there. There is no nuance with segregation, if you don't want black people in your school, you are racist.


The challenge was racist. I mean Brown challenging the board of education.
 

zerocool84

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LoL, aren't American schools more segregated than ever? My nieces and nephews are all attending PUBLIC schools with a grand total of 0 African Americans.
That's because you choose to not live in racially diverse area.
 
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