Trump just fired Comey!

[Fern]

You're on a roll today too, haha! Do you genuinely not understand that the reason why the FBI can run counterintelligence investigations is because the things it is investigating are crimes?

You've seriously lost it in the past few years.

They can run counter-intel investigation because it's under their authority. And it is not a criminal investigation which is one reason there won't be a special prosecutor.

Fern

 

[Maxima1]

They can run counter-intel investigation because it's under their authority. And it is not a criminal investigation which is one reason there won't be a special prosecutor.

Fern

This sums up your posts. LOL

 

[Fern]

You keep saying that but when did Comey ever say that publicly? Do you have proof of that other then Trump's claim?

I've never heard Trump say that.

I've heard Comey and some Senators say that. AFAIK, Trump just keeps saying he's not being investigated.

Here; https://www.google.com/#q=fbi+investigation+is+counter+intelligence+not+criminal

Fern

 

[ivwshane]

You're misunderstanding me.

First, I see Trump as a business person, not a politician. In business, if they want to fire you they'll often wait until you 'step in it' in a public way and then fire you. Comey 'stepped in it' in his Congressional testimony. So, Trump acted then. Just my guess, but I think that's why the timming.

I watched a fair deal of Comey's testimony, I personally think his testimony is what got him into trouble. And I don't mean the slip about "hundreds and thousands of emails". His explanation for why he felt he needed to usurp the AG's role and make the announcement was rather outrageous. And his whole 'looking back I wouldn't have done anything differently' is straight up outrageous. The boob learned nothing. If looking back he can't see that he made mistakes he's utterly and helplessly incompetent. Anyone with two brain cells would have said that, yeah, it was mistake to break with FBI policy and announce Hillary's investigation (twice, mind you).

Fern

Do you think the current Russian/trump campaign investigating should now be handled by an independent investigation/special prosecutor?

 

[jackstar7]

That briefing ended on a fun note... wow.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

That briefing ended on a fun note... wow.

can you elaborate?

 

[fskimospy]

They can run counter-intel investigation because it's under their authority. And it is not a criminal investigation which is one reason there won't be a special prosecutor.

Fern

It's under their authority because committing espionage against the US is a crime. Counterintelligence investigations look at the actions of state actors against the US. Why are they looking into these actions? Because all of them are in fact crimes in the US. If you think otherwise, can you name me a single activity that would be the subject of a counterintelligence investigation that is not a crime? The only one I can think of that even comes close is investigating attempts by foreign governments to recruit people. The only reason that's investigated though is that the people are being recruited... to commit crimes.

The main difference here is that since counterintelligence investigations are aimed at state actors, securing a conviction is not their primary purpose. (you aren't going to put Russia in jail) That being said, if Trump or his associates are found to have participated in any of the activities that we know are under investigation so far there's a very good chance they are going to prison.

None of this has anything to do with why there won't be a special prosecutor, and that's that Trump will refuse to appoint one unless there's a gun to his head because he's terrified of being forced into disclosure. It's pretty obvious he fired Comey because he felt he couldn't control him, there's no way he's going to let another person with even wider authority start investigating him.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Wow they really seem to be pushing this "that was candidate Trump, not President Trump" line with all the mouth pieces when they point out Trump praised Comey for what they now say they fired him for. Apparently candidate Trump is some mythical creature who no longer exists and shall never be discussed. I mean that's true for his policies but not what he actually said and did.

 

[cytg111]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWe3ca3vlrg

Mindboggling 9:15 -> 11:00 .. but really the whole thing.. its like a different species.
Interview 11:30 -> onwards, logic, logic vs. divert dirvert "i am not defending it, i am applauding it" vs logic logic vs. feels feels vs. logic logic ...

I can only infer that this kind of thing speaks to people who is better at feeling than rational thought.

 

[Maxima1]

Wow they really seem to be pushing this "that was candidate Trump, not President Trump" line with all the mouth pieces when they point out Trump praised Comey for what they now say they fired him for. Apparently candidate Trump is some mythical creature who no longer exists and shall never be discussed. I mean that's true for his policies but not what he actually said and did.

Not only is that explanation completely and utterly absurd, he expressed confidence in Comey as recent as a month ago. They really do think their base is stupid. They're hoping his poll numbers stay around in the thirties I think.

"It's not too late [to ask Comey to step down], but, you know, I have confidence in him. We'll see what happens, you know, it's going to be interesting," Trump said. APRIL 12TH

 

[Maxima1]

Source close to Comey gives two reasons why he was fired

1. Comey never provided the President with any assurance of personal loyalty.
2. The fact that the FBI's investigation into possible Trump team collusion with Russia in the 2016 election was not only not going anywhere -- the investigation was accelerating.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/10/politics/donald-trump-james-comey-russia/index.html

 

[Thebobo]

I've never heard Trump say that.

I've heard Comey and some Senators say that. AFAIK, Trump just keeps saying he's not being investigated.

Here; https://www.google.com/#q=fbi+investigation+is+counter+intelligence+not+criminal

Fern

fbi investigation is counter intelligence not criminal

That seems like an odd phrase to use to find out if trump himself under fbi investigation. So I did a simper search "is trump himself under fbi investigation." And I got this;

Department Of Justice Just Confirmed That FBI Is Investigating Trump Himself

http://thepoliticus.com/content/department-justice-just-confirmed-fbi-investigating-trump-himself

https://www.sparrowmedia.net/2017/05/james-comey-trump-investigation/

 

[jackstar7]

can you elaborate?

She was being pressed pretty hard on inconsistencies in the admin's story and she basically gave an obfuscation and left. It did not feel like the end of the briefing... but then it was!

 

[Fern]

Do you think the current Russian/trump campaign investigating should now be handled by an independent investigation/special prosecutor?

As I said earlier, this is a counter-intel investigation, not a criminal investigation thus there will not a special prosecutor. If I understand correctly, it must move to being a criminal investigation before there can be a special prosecutor.

Fern

 

[jackstar7]

As I said earlier, this is a counter-intel investigation, not a criminal investigation thus there will not a special prosecutor. If I understand correctly, it must move to being a criminal investigation before there can be a special prosecutor.

Fern

If you're looking for work, they are likely going to need a press secretary...

 

[Maxima1]

As I said earlier, this is a counter-intel investigation, not a criminal investigation thus there will not a special prosecutor. If I understand correctly, it must move to being a criminal investigation before there can be a special prosecutor.

Fern

Wow. You have **** for brains. There's a reason why Trump panicked.

 

[Fern]

That seems like an odd phrase to use to find out if trump himself under fbi investigation. So I did a simper search "is trump himself under fbi investigation." And I got this;

Department Of Justice Just Confirmed That FBI Is Investigating Trump Himself

http://thepoliticus.com/content/department-justice-just-confirmed-fbi-investigating-trump-himself

https://www.sparrowmedia.net/2017/05/james-comey-trump-investigation/

Thanks. I'll follow it and hope for a better source. By source I don't mean those sites, I mean something more than someone's deductive reasoning.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

As I said earlier, this is a counter-intel investigation, not a criminal investigation thus there will not a special prosecutor. If I understand correctly, it must move to being a criminal investigation before there can be a special prosecutor.

Fern

This is not accurate. The AG can appoint a special prosecutor basically whenever they want and there's no requirement for the FBI to be conducting any criminal investigation into the matter whatsoever. Special prosecutors are there to investigate criminal activity, but there doesn't need to be any existing investigation for them to be appointed.

 

[Fern]

I've heard Senators say, on TV earlier today, that there will not be a special prosecutor because this is a counter-intel investigation and not a criminal investigation.

It's that simple.

Fern

 

[w3rd]

Comey's new boss did a review of him and recommended firing him.! He even said the recommendation would be controversial, because the review said Comey used his publicity & visibility to protect his position.

There is a sense he was protecting Hillary, & bungling these investigations.

 

[jackstar7]

I just heard a Senator say there needs to be a special prosecutor hired to complete this investigation.

Who did you hear, Fern?

 

[Fern]

I just heard a Senator say there needs to be a special prosecutor hired to complete this investigation.

Who did you hear, Fern?

One from the party in power.

Edit: Yeah, I saw Schumer call for SP. But I expect the Dems to make as much hay with this (or anything) as they can. Of course Schumer is also the guy who proclaimed no confidence in Comey and is now outraged he was fired.

Fern

 

[jackstar7]

Comey's new boss did a review of him and recommended firing him.! He even said the recommendation would be controversial, because the review said Comey used his publicity & visibility to protect his position.

There is a sense he was protecting Hillary, & bungling these investigations.

Is it your spidey-sense? Do you have other super-natural senses?

 

[jackstar7]

One from the party in power.

Fern

You don't say!

 

[jackstar7]

One from the party in power.

Edit: Yeah, I saw Schumer call for SP. But I expect the Dems to make as much hay with this (or anything) as they can. Of course Schumer is also the guy who proclaimed no confidence in Comey and is now outraged he was fired.

Fern

I didn't see Schumer, so it sounds like more than one Senator called for it... huh.

Also, as always, context matters. When you talk about why people wanted Comey fired then and not now, the answer is context. It ain't hypocrisy, bro.