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fskimospy

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I've heard Senators say, on TV earlier today, that there will not be a special prosecutor because this is a counter-intel investigation and not a criminal investigation.

It's that simple.

Fern

That might be the excuse they're using, but there's nothing that prevents it. It's important to recognize that when they're saying 'we won't do this because X' what they really mean is that they won't do it because it's politically bad for them and X is the reason they're doing it.

That being said, I think an independent, bipartisan congressional committee would be better than a special prosecutor. They would have a wider range of things they could look into and then you would give both parties subpoena power. As Nunes already showed, it's a bad idea to rely on the party of the president to subpoena testimony and documents if you're actually interested in investigating something.

I think we can all agree that the stench of corruption is so strong now that something has to be done, no? If Trump isn't guilty of anything then the whole country is better off having him cleared by an impartial investigation. If he is guilty of something then we need to get him out of office ASAP before he does any more damage.
 

woolfe9998

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That seems like an odd phrase to use to find out if trump himself under fbi investigation. So I did a simper search "is trump himself under fbi investigation." And I got this;

Department Of Justice Just Confirmed That FBI Is Investigating Trump Himself

http://thepoliticus.com/content/department-justice-just-confirmed-fbi-investigating-trump-himself

https://www.sparrowmedia.net/2017/05/james-comey-trump-investigation/

Thanks for the links. I disagree that those are the first indications of Trump being personally investigated. At the House Intel Committee hearing, Comey said they were "investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts." I never understood that to exclude Trump himself. I assume they are investigating any links. There is no reason to exclude Trump or anyone else from the purview of the investigation. It wouldn't make sense if there was.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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It's worrying one of our forum staff is this...uninformed. Partisanship per se isn't the problem, but to sound like a slightly less unhinged version of nutters like Chiropteran is, well, unsettling. I suppose as long as it doesn't affect moderation it's fine...
 

ivwshane

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Maxima1

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I've heard Senators say, on TV earlier today, that there will not be a special prosecutor because this is a counter-intel investigation and not a criminal investigation.

It's that simple.

Fern

Why are you listening to those dolts? That isn't true, and these are the same craven morons that went on for years about Benghazi, the IRS Tea Party targeting non-scandal, and other BS.
 

Fern

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Comey's new boss did a review of him and recommended firing him.! He even said the recommendation would be controversial, because the review said Comey used his publicity & visibility to protect his position.

There is a sense he was protecting Hillary, & bungling these investigations.

That seems to be Comey's real problem (I don't mean a legal one). If you believe what former FBI higher ups say Comey acquiesced to unprecedented restrictions imposed by the DoJ.on the investigation resulting in it being a sham. It's felt he should have resigned rather accept those.

Fern
 

Maxima1

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Comey's new boss did a review of him and recommended firing him.! He even said the recommendation would be controversial, because the review said Comey used his publicity & visibility to protect his position.

There is a sense he was protecting Hillary, & bungling these investigations.

That seems to be Comey's real problem (I don't mean a legal one). If you believe what former FBI higher ups say Comey acquiesced to unprecedented restrictions imposed by the DoJ.on the investigation resulting in it being a sham. It's felt he should have resigned rather accept those.

Fern

Uh, if he was trying to protect Hillary in order to protect his job, why not the same for Trump? Makes no sense. In fact, one source is claiming Trump demanded Comey to stop the grand juries. I won't be surprised if this is what occurred.
 

trenchfoot

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I'm wondering what Trump is doing to stay ahead of the hounds that's already locked on his scent trail. I'm also wondering how he can manage to keep his tax documents out of the hands of the FBI if they haven't already got it.

But what I'm really curious about is
I feel the same.

IMI, the media will pound Trump straight into the pavement over this for as long as they need too. Every day. All day. Hopefully until it destroys him. Trump isn't to be trusted anymore. He's a commie lover. He's anti-American and I hope he gets punished for what he did.

His fans are commie lovers as well. Anti-American all of them. They all need to go back to Russia.

To the Trump supporters: Why wouldn't you want to find out if Trump had close ties to Putin? Do you really hate America that much that you'd still support a president who would sell America out to Russia? Really...

The Russians don't matter if they helped "their team" secure THE WIN. Trump lying his ass off to them and reneging on his promises to them apparently don't matter either. They won and now the liberal trash want to take that win away from them and Trump. So it's just sour grapes manifesting itself in the form of a conspiracy, YES! A conspiracy against Trump because of how he is "draining the swamp" and getting rid of the establishment that sent their jobs overseas and now, NOW the Demoncrats pressured Trump into firing Comey.

I didn't believe Trump when he said he could shoot somebody and not lose his supporters, but after seeing his base stiffen their resolve in support of Trump despite all of the insane nonsensical things Trump has said and done since, well, I sure do believe what he said now.
 

woolfe9998

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It's under their authority because committing espionage against the US is a crime. Counterintelligence investigations look at the actions of state actors against the US. Why are they looking into these actions? Because all of them are in fact crimes in the US. If you think otherwise, can you name me a single activity that would be the subject of a counterintelligence investigation that is not a crime? The only one I can think of that even comes close is investigating attempts by foreign governments to recruit people. The only reason that's investigated though is that the people are being recruited... to commit crimes.

The main difference here is that since counterintelligence investigations are aimed at state actors, securing a conviction is not their primary purpose. (you aren't going to put Russia in jail) That being said, if Trump or his associates are found to have participated in any of the activities that we know are under investigation so far there's a very good chance they are going to prison.

None of this has anything to do with why there won't be a special prosecutor, and that's that Trump will refuse to appoint one unless there's a gun to his head because he's terrified of being forced into disclosure. It's pretty obvious he fired Comey because he felt he couldn't control him, there's no way he's going to let another person with even wider authority start investigating him.

Indeed. Here is what Comey said about this counter-intelligence investigation at the House hearing in March:

I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.
 

Fern

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That might be the excuse they're using, but there's nothing that prevents it. It's important to recognize that when they're saying 'we won't do this because X' what they really mean is that they won't do it because it's politically bad for them and X is the reason they're doing it.
-snip-

If that's what you think, fine.

But I've heard numerous times that they won't do a SP now because it would impede the counter-intel investigation. I.e., the SP would indicate a separate criminal investigation while the counter-intel investigation, a separate thing, is going on.

Thus, I would expect a SP only after the counter-intel investigation is concluded. Also, I expect the findings of the counter-intel investigation will influence whether they move on to a criminal investigation with, or without, a SP.

Fern
 

Younigue

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Ok, I am aware this won't happen but at this point if the firing is truly just and there is no cause for concern yet this collusion thing hangs over this Administration's heads why not recuse himself from appointing a new F.B.I. Head and let a bipartisan committee choose one? <--- I'm liking my logic. If Trump isn't trying to hide anything and he wants to regain some semblance of face to those who are just beginning to doubt him (he doesn't), why not?
 

IronWing

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Mitch said there won't be any special prosecutor or special commission because, well, Mitch is a turd.
 

Fern

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Uh, if he was trying to protect Hillary in order to protect his job, why not the same for Trump? Makes no sense. In fact, one source is claiming Trump demanded Comey to stop the grand juries. I won't be surprised if this is what occurred.
It's your assumption that Comey acquiesced with a motive to protect Hillary. I've never claimed that or heard ex-FBI claim that.

AFAIK, it's unclear why he acquiesced. I'm just considering it another example in a long line of poor judgements.

Fern
 

Mai72

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I'm wondering what Trump is doing to stay ahead of the hounds that's already locked on his scent trail. I'm also wondering how he can manage to keep his tax documents out of the hands of the FBI if they haven't already got it.

But what I'm really curious about is


The Russians don't matter if they helped "their team" secure THE WIN. Trump lying his ass off to them and reneging on his promises to them apparently don't matter either. They won and now the liberal trash want to take that win away from them and Trump. So it's just sour grapes manifesting itself in the form of a conspiracy, YES! A conspiracy against Trump because of how he is "draining the swamp" and getting rid of the establishment that sent their jobs overseas and now, NOW the Demoncrats pressured Trump into firing Comey.

I didn't believe Trump when he said he could shoot somebody and not lose his supporters, but after seeing his base stiffen their resolve in support of Trump despite all of the insane nonsensical things Trump has said and done since, well, I sure do believe what he said now.

Lol, the Dems didn't pressure Trump into firing Comey. I guess you could rationalize anything. His supporters will stand by Trump no matter what happens. That's only because many are upset and they feel left behind. Many are still pining for the 1950s. In reality, many are going to be left behind. Trump and the Republicans aren't going to save them. The Trumpsters refuse to take responsibility for a changing America. History is not on their side.

Anyway, many Trumpsters are probably strong Hitler supporters, and many will tell you that the Halocaust was made up. That's just the reality. BTW, I don't support Hillary. She's just as bad. Actuallly both parties suck.
 

Fern

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I feel the same.

IMI, the media will pound Trump straight into the pavement over this for as long as they need too. Every day. All day. Hopefully until it destroys him. Trump isn't to be trusted anymore. He's a commie lover. He's anti-American and I hope he gets punished for what he did.

His fans are commie lovers as well. Anti-American all of them. They all need to go back to Russia.

To the Trump supporters: Why wouldn't you want to find out if Trump had close ties to Putin? Do you really hate America that much that you'd still support a president who would sell America out to Russia? Really...

I'm curious how Trump would "sell America out to Russia".

What does that mean exactly? Could you explain in detail pls?

Fern
 

Younigue

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Feb 5, 2017
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I'm wondering what Trump is doing to stay ahead of the hounds that's already locked on his scent trail. I'm also wondering how he can manage to keep his tax documents out of the hands of the FBI if they haven't already got it.

But what I'm really curious about is


The Russians don't matter if they helped "their team" secure THE WIN. Trump lying his ass off to them and reneging on his promises to them apparently don't matter either. They won and now the liberal trash want to take that win away from them and Trump. So it's just sour grapes manifesting itself in the form of a conspiracy, YES! A conspiracy against Trump because of how he is "draining the swamp" and getting rid of the establishment that sent their jobs overseas and now, NOW the Demoncrats pressured Trump into firing Comey.

I didn't believe Trump when he said he could shoot somebody and not lose his supporters, but after seeing his base stiffen their resolve in support of Trump despite all of the insane nonsensical things Trump has said and done since, well, I sure do believe what he said now.

Lol, there is no need for conspiracy. The man is a conspiracy unto himself. Even if his wildest dream came true and the majority of his non-supporters suddenly changed their tune and began heaping praise upon him he's volatile, dangerous, impulsive, ignorant, elitist, corrupt and bad news for the country.
 

Maxima1

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It's your assumption that Comey acquiesced with a motive to protect Hillary. I've never claimed that or heard ex-FBI claim that.

AFAIK, it's unclear why he acquiesced. I'm just considering it another example in a long line of poor judgements.

Fern

That's what I'm hearing a lot of Republicans saying. First it was Lynch, then they complained about Comey, since they would only accept guilty as an answer. They of course don't even know the law. Many cases like Hillary's never lead to prosecution, and she couldn't be administratively disciplined.
 

woolfe9998

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alien42

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I'm curious how Trump would "sell America out to Russia".

What does that mean exactly? Could you explain in detail pls?

Fern

he's already sold out America and Putin is laughing all the way home.

just today Lavrov mocked us and laughed directly in our faces, do you like that comrade?

we aren't going to prevent further Russian interference in our elections with Trump in charge and everyone should know that by now.
 
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I'm curious how Trump would "sell America out to Russia".

What does that mean exactly? Could you explain in detail pls?

Fern

I'll say it my main concern is future Politicians will be afraid to hold Russia accountable out of fear of fake news or hacking. This applies to all parties.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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he's already sold out America and Putin is laughing all the way home.

just today Lavrov mocked us and laughed directly in our faces, do you like that comrade?

we aren't going to prevent further Russian interference in our elections with Trump in charge and everyone should know that by now.

Yeah, notice he mockingly used Trump's public denials of Russia's election interference to support his own denial. Trump is such a traitor.
 

Jhhnn

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It's your assumption that Comey acquiesced with a motive to protect Hillary. I've never claimed that or heard ex-FBI claim that.

AFAIK, it's unclear why he acquiesced. I'm just considering it another example in a long line of poor judgements.

Fern

You claim acquiescence you can't prove supposedly claimed by sources you haven't documented.
 
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