Trump just ordered the gassing and shooting of peaceful protestors in Washington DC just so he could have an effing photo op in front of church

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JEDIYoda

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Protesting is real work!! Plus they don`t have food trucks or water carts so you do get hungry or dehydrated....hell even the public restrooms are closed to the public!
 

SmCaudata

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Bullshit. It's mostly a miscreant thing. Why do you think white people don't complain, despite it still happening once every 2-3 times for blacks? Or for that matter, men vs. women, which is like 10 to 1?

To add. He didn't complain. He actually remained stoic and went about his life despite being profiled for years.


The only people that say racism is not systemic are those that benefit from it.

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Wreckem

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Yep, and he's probably going to get reelected for stunts like this. Pisses ya off, doesn't it?

The election is going to to one of two ways. Trump is re elected and democrats make nominal gains in House and Senate. Or

the blue wave of 2018 becomes a tsunami and the Democrats net + 8 in the Senate, expand their majority in the House and Biden wins the whitehouse.

There will be no in between. Right now the dems have an outside shot at 10 senate seats. More and more states are becoming in play.

Right now it’s more of an impending tsunami than a Trump victory. Trumps had so many unforced errors since January and has turned off suburban white women, the 65+ crowd, and his religious right base is erroding(thus the photo ops). All he’s got left are the 33% that are MAGA chuds, the ones that Clinton was wrong about they aren’t a basket full of deplorables, jack booted racist thugs is a more accurate description.

Trump is easily the worst President in the history of the United States by every qualitative and quantifiable metric.
 
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Wreckem

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"Peaceful" protestors would have left without having to have tear gas canisters and rubber bullets fired at them. A think lot of those people in that crowd wanted their 15 seconds of fame on CNN and they got it.

That said, I think that it was unnecessary. That doesn't mean that I'm going to overreact and start calling Trump a Nazi like a lot of people here are.
Americans have the right to peaceful assembly. My hope is AG Barr gets prosecuted by the Biden admin for issuing unlawful orders and violating constitutional rights when having police attack protestors yesterday so the Big Baby could get the worst photo op by a president ever, even worse than Bush’s Mission Accomplished.
 

JEDIYoda

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He probably does not know what the word - systemic means....
Racism resulting from the inherent biases and prejudices of the policies and practices of social and political organizations, groups, or institutions. It is also called "institutional racism," a term coined by Black Power activists Charles V. Hamilton and Stokely Carmichael (later known as Kwame Ture) to distinguish it from individual racism, which is typically more overt.
 

SmCaudata

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please tell me my sarcasm meter is broken.

you don't actually believe that the victims of systemic racism aren't people, do you?
Fixed. Sometimes when I miss the space bar on my phone, the auto correct likes to delete the second word. During proofread my brain fills in the missing word...

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SmCaudata

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He probably does not know what the word - systemic means....
Racism resulting from the inherent biases and prejudices of the policies and practices of social and political organizations, groups, or institutions. It is also called "institutional racism," a term coined by Black Power activists Charles V. Hamilton and Stokely Carmichael (later known as Kwame Ture) to distinguish it from individual racism, which is typically more overt.
Quick to jump on people. I've cleary been arguing with your same beliefs. My phone deleted the word "not." I'll own the error, but the rest of my posts would clearly give relevant context demonstrating my views.

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zzyzxroad

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Quick to jump on people. I've cleary been arguing with your same beliefs. My phone deleted the word "not." I'll own the error, but the rest of my posts would clearly give relevant context demonstrating my views.

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Since auto correct led to this being bought up, anyone else watch 13th? I believe I've had a dramatic underestimation of how deep that systematic oppression is.

 
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ultimatebob

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Protesting is real work!! Plus they don`t have food trucks or water carts so you do get hungry or dehydrated....hell even the public restrooms are closed to the public!

So, you think that there was some public urination going on? Well, there ya go... no wonder Trump sent in the stormtroopers after them
 

Maxima1

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Did you miss the part where he pulled the guy over for have a "wide nose." That is clearly a racist description.

It's a dumb reason (hey, a pattern with incompetence), but I don't see how this screams racism. They can be biases that people don't think about. It does not tell me he's going on Stormfront. He pulled him over because he thought that was a match for a suspect they were after, but you seem to be implying that he was just pulling him over because his nose was wide.

This was heard on the radio. I agree that fear and incompetence don't mix. But if he didn't unjustly pull the guy over in the first place, nothing would have happened. Again, a black man who worked in a school cafeteria and regularly gave money to kids that couldn't afford lunch was pulled over because he was black and driving in the "wrong neighborhood." I guess I don't really know how you can get more racially biased to be honest.

Men get profiled over women, yet this disparity doesn't even register for woke liberals.


Racial profiling has gained national attention in recent years, and a Kansas State University researcher is finding that it can involve an additional factor: gender.

“When compared with men, women were 23 percent less likely to be ticketed, 55 percent less likely to be arrested and 76 percent less likely to be searched when stopped by police. Women were more likely to only receive a warning or have no outcome when stopped by police during a traffic stop.”

Profile much?

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Just look at the examples. Michael Brown. Alton Sterling. Really? Even the Slager case. Trying to take stun gun...

To add. He didn't complain. He actually remained stoic and went about his life despite being profiled for years.

Can you list a number of cases similar to Philando? It's one guy. There are over 40 million black people. One coming to mind is Corey Jones, but the circumstances are similar to what has happened to white people. It's not about racism.
 

Jhhnn

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OK, I'm obviously not winning any hearts and minds here, but I gotta ask this again... when you see a line of cops in riot gear coming at you and yelling at you to move... why would you stay? No sane person would. You know that BAD things are going to happen by staying. By sticking around, it's almost like you're asking become the next Rodney King type victim of police brutality. You might not deserve it, but it's going to happen.

I'm not saying that what Trump did was right here, but you're not going to convince me that those people who were too stubborn to move when asked are "innocent victims".


Didn't look like "asking" to me... When ordered to clear the area, the cops cleared the area with mounted officers, rubber bullets & teargas. They weren't authorized to discuss the matter. When Trump led his entourage across the street, some of them had no idea why, and apparently neither did Trump-


The whole thing in all its glorious WTF insanity-

 

Jhhnn

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It's a dumb reason (hey, a pattern with incompetence), but I don't see how this screams racism. They can be biases that people don't think about. It does not tell me he's going on Stormfront. He pulled him over because he thought that was a match for a suspect they were after, but you seem to be implying that he was just pulling him over because his nose was wide.



Men get profiled over women, yet this disparity doesn't even register for woke liberals.


Racial profiling has gained national attention in recent years, and a Kansas State University researcher is finding that it can involve an additional factor: gender.

“When compared with men, women were 23 percent less likely to be ticketed, 55 percent less likely to be arrested and 76 percent less likely to be searched when stopped by police. Women were more likely to only receive a warning or have no outcome when stopped by police during a traffic stop.”



Just look at the examples. Michael Brown. Alton Sterling. Really? Even the Slager case. Trying to take stun gun...



Can you list a number of cases similar to Philando? It's one guy. There are over 40 million black people. One coming to mind is Corey Jones, but the circumstances are similar to what has happened to white people. It's not about racism.

So what? That's just diversion & denial.
 

alien42

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It's a dumb reason (hey, a pattern with incompetence), but I don't see how this screams racism. They can be biases that people don't think about. It does not tell me he's going on Stormfront. He pulled him over because he thought that was a match for a suspect they were after, but you seem to be implying that he was just pulling him over because his nose was wide.



Men get profiled over women, yet this disparity doesn't even register for woke liberals.


Racial profiling has gained national attention in recent years, and a Kansas State University researcher is finding that it can involve an additional factor: gender.

“When compared with men, women were 23 percent less likely to be ticketed, 55 percent less likely to be arrested and 76 percent less likely to be searched when stopped by police. Women were more likely to only receive a warning or have no outcome when stopped by police during a traffic stop.”



Just look at the examples. Michael Brown. Alton Sterling. Really? Even the Slager case. Trying to take stun gun...



Can you list a number of cases similar to Philando? It's one guy. There are over 40 million black people. One coming to mind is Corey Jones, but the circumstances are similar to what has happened to white people. It's not about racism.

so you're saying that white men are oppressed.

let that sink in for a moment.
 

Maxima1

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so you're saying that white men are oppressed.

let that sink in for a moment.


Criminal sentencing, traffic stops, etc. go like this (lowest to highest trouble): women < Asian < White < Latinx < Black.

So that's MY point. The significant gap between women and men doesn't register with woke liberals. Why is that? When does it turn into "oppression" and rampant "racism" (in the case of gender difference, sexism)? Because apparently people do not see the profiling difference as sexism (i.e. explained by something else, yet with racial difference everything is "racism" to them) or significant enough in numbers to be considered oppression. And it's funny because in the recent case of Floyd, a black man his age in aggregate has a similar risk as a 20-something white male (Note: age is correlated with death by cop because people are more likely to be miscreants when young).
 

JEDIYoda

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Criminal sentencing, traffic stops, etc. go like this (lowest to highest trouble): women < Asian < White < Latinx < Black.

So that's MY point. The significant gap between women and men doesn't register with woke liberals. Why is that? When does it turn into "oppression" and rampant "racism" (in the case of gender difference, sexism)? Because apparently people do not see the profiling difference as sexism (i.e. explained by something else, yet with racial difference everything is "racism" to them) or significant enough in numbers to be considered oppression. And it's funny because in the recent case of Floyd, a black man his age in aggregate has a similar risk as a 20-something white male (Note: age is correlated with death by cop because people are more likely to be miscreants when young).
First a lot can change in 8 years....This a article written in 2012......
do you even reads the nonsense you are spouting.....
This from your posted article -- Black and Hispanic men were the most likely to be ticketed, arrested or searched during a traffic stop. Black men were 2.5 times as likely as white men to be arrested and twice as likely to be searched. Hispanic men were 1.5 times as likely as white men to receive a ticket and more than three times as likely to be searched. Proportionately a Black man is at the greatest risk.
Your points are nonsense concerning Black or hispanic people.....
 

Maxima1

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do you even reads the nonsense you are spouting.....
This from your posted article -- Black and Hispanic men were the most likely to be ticketed, arrested or searched during a traffic stop. Black men were 2.5 times as likely as white men to be arrested and twice as likely to be searched. Hispanic men were 1.5 times as likely as white men to receive a ticket and more than three times as likely to be searched. Proportionately a Black man is at the greatest risk.
Your points are nonsense concerning Black or hispanic people.....

Look at women in the chart vs. male (insert race). This goes for criminal sentencing, traffic stops, etc. Now tell me why it doesn't even register with woke liberals. Why is the even smaller gap (relative to the gender proportion) so "oppressive" and "racist" when you don't consider the gender gap either (with sexism replacing racism)?





Here it shows that Floyd's age group is the same as a 20-something white male. I've already explained why. It's mostly a miscreant problem.


 

JEDIYoda

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Look at women in the chart vs. male (insert race). This goes for criminal sentencing, traffic stops, etc. Now tell me why it doesn't even register with woke liberals. Why is the even smaller gap (relative to the gender proportion) so "oppressive" and "racist" when you don't consider the gender gap either (with sexism replacing racism)?





Here it shows that Floyd's age group is the same as a 20-something white male. I've already explained why. It's mostly a miscreant problem.


all of the above is meaningless.....it means nothing!!
 

alien42

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Criminal sentencing, traffic stops, etc. go like this (lowest to highest trouble): women < Asian < White < Latinx < Black.

So that's MY point. The significant gap between women and men doesn't register with woke liberals. Why is that? When does it turn into "oppression" and rampant "racism" (in the case of gender difference, sexism)? Because apparently people do not see the profiling difference as sexism (i.e. explained by something else, yet with racial difference everything is "racism" to them) or significant enough in numbers to be considered oppression. And it's funny because in the recent case of Floyd, a black man his age in aggregate has a similar risk as a 20-something white male (Note: age is correlated with death by cop because people are more likely to be miscreants when young).

sorry, but comparing sex to race is pathetic. do you have any clue what percentage of serial killers are female? bank robbers? murderers? not only is racism systemic in our system, but so is the patriarchy. do you really think that domestic violence in this country (or any for that matter) is equally distributed between men and women?

does me saying that women are less aggressive and violent than men offend you? are you not "woke"?

i will not be responding further to this absurd derailment.
 

Maxima1

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sorry, but comparing sex to race is pathetic. do you have any clue what percentage of serial killers are female? bank robbers? murderers? not only is racism systemic in our system, but so is the patriarchy. do you really think that domestic violence in this country (or any for that matter) is equally distributed between men and women?

does me saying that women are less aggressive and violent than men offend you? are you not "woke"?

i will not be responding further to this absurd derailment.

Well, duh. That's the same with race. You realize black men are responsible for around half the homicides despite making up only about 6% of the population? From the 2.5:1 black male vs. white male death by cop ratio, adjust violent crime difference and low SES. That leaves little for racism to account for the numbers.
 

Capt Caveman

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OK, I'm obviously not winning any hearts and minds here, but I gotta ask this again... when you see a line of cops in riot gear coming at you and yelling at you to move... why would you stay? No sane person would. You know that BAD things are going to happen by staying. By sticking around, it's almost like you're asking become the next Rodney King type victim of police brutality. You might not deserve it, but it's going to happen.

I'm not saying that what Trump did was right here, but you're not going to convince me that those people who were too stubborn to move when asked are "innocent victims".

Wow, repeating your stupid argument. You think civil rights protestors should have just gone home when the white man's police force came. Rosa Parks should have gone and sat in the back of the bus when the police came, right? They had every right to be in that public space. The Church that Trump visited denounced him.
 
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