News Trump: Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

[fskimospy]

This is a huge concern of mine too.
Once it’s out how do you put that Genie back into the bottle?

Once that happens you can’t put it back, at least not until you fight it out. Elections turn from a voting/legal battle to a political/military/police one. Basically the winning side rewrites the rules and holds down the losing side until they agree to accept them.

 

[woolfe9998]

I think your fear is the largest one but I also think there’s a nonzero chance of a civil war resulting from the 2024 election.

As I’ve said let’s assume 2024 plays out identically to 2020. Are we sure republican legislatures in swing states won’t declare the Republican the winner in defiance of the popular vote? I’m not. In that case there would possibly be competing claims to the presidency, both with some merit. What happens then? I’m not sure but there seems to be an atmosphere for civil conflict there.

I can see terrorist incidents from whichever side ultimately loses the dispute over who will be POTUS, but I'm not really sure how anything like a civil war even starts here. Without secession this time. So what happens, a bunch of people on each side get together and form an army, then who do they attack and where? What role does the military and national guard play? How will each side even know who is the enemy? Will their be uniforms to tell us apart?

A "civil war" in the classic sense is just not something I see as a terribly likely outcome here.

Don't get me wrong. I think we're very likely facing political violence in the near future, just not that way. So, for example, if Trump goes to jail, I can see the far right plotting terrorist attacks which could result in mass casualty events. Like in Oklahoma City, or a political assassination like those guys in Michigan were planning, but where they succeed.

Such a thing would likely discredit the far right and result in shrinkage. After the bombing in OC, the militia movement reduced in size by two-thirds and did not start coming back until Obama was elected 10 years later. That is one theory of how we "win" this. First there has to be blood which is shed by them. Which is why I have been saying that it's nigh impossible for this not to get worse before it gets any better.

 

[woolfe9998]

at least the Orangalini will be 82 by 2028 🤪 …with arteries more clogged than German retreat lines after the battle of the Bulge.

Yes, but in this scenario he has declared a national emergency and indefinitely postponed the 2028 election. He can always appoint Don Jr. as his VP, and then he takes over after Trump dies. This is how dictatorships are perpetuated beyond the life of the original dictator.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

at least the Orangalini will be 82 by 2028 🤪 …with arteries more clogged than German retreat lines after the battle of the Bulge.

Appears the former President is actually a pretty healthy guy despite his bragging.
I’m not saying he is the healthiest man in history and his doctors enjoy ogling at his naked body. I have a suspicion he will be around for a long time.

 

[eelw]

Appears the former President is actually a pretty healthy guy despite his bragging.
I’m not saying he is the healthiest man in history and his doctors enjoy ogling at his naked body. I have a suspicion he will be around for a long time.

Outside accident or assassination, Biden going to outlive the orange monkey. Orange monkey going to die of a Big Mac/KFC heart attack.

 

[Pohemi]

I have a suspicion he will be around for a long time.

Just to spite everyone, if nothing else.

 

[fskimospy]

Appears the former President is actually a pretty healthy guy despite his bragging.
I’m not saying he is the healthiest man in history and his doctors enjoy ogling at his naked body. I have a suspicion he will be around for a long time.

I don’t know. He might be healthy but he clearly has his doctors tell ridiculous lies about his health so who knows.

This does not look like a healthy man to me.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just to spite everyone, if nothing else.

Exactly my point it is as if God intentionally keeps some of the worst around for the longest simply so the can shrivel up and decay before death.

 

[pcgeek11]

Do you think he hasn’t been charged because he has threatened that he has arranged to release others still hidden if he is arrested?

No.

 

[pcgeek11]

So to continue the same line or questions, you really think Trump isn't capable of selling out this country with top secret documents? Somehow you still think Trump can be trusted. I would like to know your thinking on that.

IMO
Trump - absolutely capable
Obama - no
Bush - no
Clinton - no
Bush - no
Reagan - no
Carter - NFW

Anyone is capable.

Do I think Trump would sell out the country?
No I don't.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Anyone is capable.

Do I think Trump would sell out the country?
No I don't.

We need to define sell out.
Do I think he’d do it for a trivial amount of money?
Nope
Do I think he’d pass let’s say names of Saudi informants for a bigly profitable golf tournament at Mar-a-largo?
Absolutely
Do I think he’d pass embarrassing info along about some other leader he doesn’t like as in the Guy from France or Canada?
Absolutely

 

[pcgeek11]

And still you make excuses. He didn’t pack them … lol … if that were true why didnt he return them over year ago when asked? Again, still trying to defend an obvious lawbreaker.

Not defending anything. I said at the first of this thread he should be punished as per the law if he illegally possessed classified data.

I’m very confident if I were an aide packing boxes I would not be throwing top secret documents in with someone’s personal effects. Also, if Trump didn’t know he has them and/or didn’t instruct anyone to take them (and therefore presumably indifferent) then he wouldn’t have fought so hard to keep them.

By far the most likely answer is Trump took them on purpose.

He obviously at this point knew they were there and should have returned them.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Not defending anything. I said at the first of this thread he should be punished as per the law if he illegally possessed classified data.



He obviously at this point knew they were their and should have returned them.

what does the documents classification have to do with his theft of American property? More obfuscation 🙄

 

[pcgeek11]

what does the documents classification have to do with his theft of American property? More obfuscation 🙄

Piss Off!

 

[amenx]

Holy shit, Bill Barr didn’t just throw Trump under the bus…he lit the bus on fire and drove it over him, TWICE, cackling all the way!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565759610803425282

Love it when Fox interviews go the wrong way for them. They never know when former Trump associates may turn and shit all over him . Fox is losing the narrative and will only look like fools in the end.

 

[you2]

You know how I know you have absolutely zero clue wtf you are talking about?

The bolded.

Have you worked with classified documents before ?

 

[you2]

Not on a government system, but I've personally printed lots of classified data (all of which was properly destroyed and never left the SCIF).

Well yes but have you tried printing the documents outside a scif ? And yes i should have qualified my statement. I.e, documents aren't provided to Trump in electronic format.

 

[Stokely]

Do I think Trump would sell out the country, his mother, his kids or anything else? Yes. If he makes enough money, or adulation, that's all that matters.

I'm leaning toward this whole doc thing being more a childish "those are mine" than "I'll sell these to Vladimir", but either way I hope his hamberder eating ass is nailed over it. A 2nd term Trump is not something I'd like to see, even though this country is so collectively stupid they might elect the guy from the pen.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Russian oligarch, you say?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565791390327607296

 

[ch33zw1z]

Anyone is capable.

Do I think Trump would sell out the country?
No I don't.

that’s because you’re too busy fluffing him.

he’s a shitbag that swindled half of america, and you’re carrying his water.

glhf

 

[fskimospy]

Well yes but have you tried printing the documents outside a scif ? And yes i should have qualified my statement. I.e, documents aren't provided to Trump in electronic format.

I think what is lost here is we all have experience with classification is none of this applies to the president. So all these egregious violations we talk about don’t apply. If the president wants to buy a billboard that advertises all our operatives overseas that’s his business.

The thing here is what he did when out of office.

 

[IronWing]

Russian oligarch, you say?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565791390327607296

I would trust that Russian oligarchs aren't as stupid as Trump and if any of the docs were provided to them, that they would have passed them on and destroyed evidence.

 

[cytg111]

Holy shit.
If those dots connect.
Holy shit.
That would be actual treason wouldnt it?

 

[IronWing]

Holy shit.
If those dots connect.
Holy shit.
That would be actual treason wouldnt it?

Yes, yet another count of actual treason.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Holy shit.
If those dots connect.
Holy shit.
That would be actual treason wouldnt it?

why wouldn’t they connect. trump and co. Has been balls deep in Russia for a long time