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As bad as he may have been as POTUS, he's unraveled since leaving office. And his constant "the election was rigged" mantra is truly tiring. But some of the things he's said in the last 2 years are embarrassing to our country.

And no. I was never a big Trump fan. Ever.
Regardless it’s good to see you notice it. Eases some of my fears about 2024.
 

BoomerD

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Changes are afoot!



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Memo To All Housekeeping, Kitchen, and Dining Room Staff At Mar-A-Lago
In light of recent events we will be implementing some changes

Image from Michael O’Keene on shutterstock.comNotice to all Mar-a-Lago staff:
As you are aware, our establishment was recently visited by a group of individuals who removed numerous boxes from the second-floor linen closet, the DJ booth in the bar, and other locations. In spite of what you may have been advised by SENIOR PEOPLE in the Organization, this event was not a scavenger hunt for a Men In Black cosplay convention.
As a result of this unfortunate misunderstanding, we will be making changes to some operational processes here at Mar-a-Lago.
  1. The only reading material left in guest suites should be room service menus, guides to the in-room entertainment system, and remaindered copies of Art of the Deal. The practice of placing Daily Presidential Intelligence Updates on pillows has been discontinued.
  2. Internet access will no longer include automatic login to the Department of Defense secure servers.
  3. Flyers featuring detailed blueprints of the Area 51 military base, with alien storage facilities highlighted, have been removed from the “Fun Things To Do!” brochure stand in the main foyer.
  4. The “Top Secret US Intelligence” category has been dropped from the Tuesday night bar trivia competition.
  5. The Friday night English-style fish and chips special will be served wrapped in newspaper, not documents detailing the names of CIA intelligence assets in the Asia-Pacific region.
  6. Under no circumstances should guests be provided with the codes to the nuclear arsenal, even if they call the front desk and say they forgot their copy at home.
Also, please be advised that Ivan, Oleg, Tatiana and Mei Lin are no longer employees of Mar-a-Lago and should not be permitted entry if you see them outside the grounds.
Many thanks for your prompt attention to these matters. Any questions should be referred to your supervisor or Special Agent Dixon, Edgar Hoover Building, Washington D.C.
MAR-A-LAGO MANAGEMENT

Yes, duh, it's satire.
 

Fenixgoon

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It may not. Given the possible candidates in 2024, Im likely voting independent. Again.

And for the record...I dont think Trump is the problem. Its the public.
Independent candidates literally have 0 chance of winning. If you don't want MAGA trumpublicans, then your only real choice is to vote for Democrats. You can thank a lack of ranked choice voting (congressional seats) and first to the post (presidential vote) election practices
 

Stokely

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That is the argument I made to quite a few Bernie supporters in 2016. In particular, I mentioned that if nothing else, think of the Supreme Court, which may affect us and our kids for decades to come. I didn't even realize just how shitty the Court might be.

My Bernie-loving friends all said they either voted, writing in "Bernie", or didn't bother. The most childish thing they all said: they wanted the system to break down because both parties were the same and maybe it needed to blow up before being rebuilt. Yeah, how does that work exactly? For one thing, both parties may suck to some degree but their policies are NOT the same, certainly not for environmentalist and social issues. How does letting a wanna be dictator get the reins make the system break down? It doesn't. It just lets the GOP cement power and continue tilting the field in their favor with things like gerrymandering and "voting reform" in certain areas (ie, making it as difficult as possible in those areas to actually vote. You can imagine which areas these might be.)

A vote for an independent is at best a wasted vote and at worst a half vote for the GOP if like my friends you align much more with the Democrats. I personally have no issues whatsoever with voting lesser evil. We all do this throughout our lives every days...we pick a traffic route to avoid really bad traffic, not because we are excited to go a certain way. And not to mention there hasn't been an independent candidate whose platform I liked any more than the Democrats so that makes the decision even easier. Hero worship of politicians is sick; these are civil servants that work for us, not gods to bow down to or cheer like it's some hometown high school football team.

The worst are the fucking Green voters. Let's siphon votes away from the Dems and help the one party absolutely dedicated to wreck the environment, how green is that. Look at all the repeals and reversals Trump did in just four years, especially if something was signed by the brown man just before him.
 

amenx

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Ralph Nader was basically responsible for Bush 2000 win. It came down to 540 votes in Florida for Bush to beat Gore while Nader had over 90,000 votes in the state. Majority of Nader votes would have gone to Gore if he wasnt in the race. So 3rd party votes are potential spoilers basically.
 

fskimospy

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Ralph Nader was basically responsible for Bush 2000 win. It came down to 540 votes in Florida for Bush to beat Gore while Nader had over 90,000 votes in the state. Majority of Nader votes would have gone to Gore if he wasnt in the race. So 3rd party votes are potential spoilers basically.
Yes, absent Nader Gore would have won and the Iraq war would not have happened.
 

blackangst1

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Independent candidates literally have 0 chance of winning. If you don't want MAGA trumpublicans, then your only real choice is to vote for Democrats. You can thank a lack of ranked choice voting (congressional seats) and first to the post (presidential vote) election practices

Sorry Im not voting Democrat or Republican next POTUS election as of now.. I dont agree with the majority of either side's candidates on things that are important to me. Additionally, voting for one side willy-nilly just so the other side will lose is absolutely heinous and dishonest. Ive only ever voted for candidates I believe in. The way its supposed to be.

And why would I commit to voting Democrat when we arent even sure who the candidate will be? Thats moronic.
 

eelw

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Sorry Im not voting Democrat or Republican next POTUS election. I dont agree with the majority of either side's candidates on things that are important to me. Additionally, voting for one side willy-nilly just so the other side will lose is absolutely heinous and dishonest. Ive only ever voted for candidates I believe in. The way its supposed to be.
Well this explains the train of thought of the orange monkey apologists. And useful idiots not what they pretend to be above partisan politics.
 
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blackangst1

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Additionally...IMHO anyone who votes straight Democrat for the sake of voting Democrat is just as moronic as those who vote straight Republican for the same reason.

But honestly...no one here gives a flying fuck what I think lol
 

Stokely

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Candidates you "believe in"? Sounds very much like the hero worship that is everything wrong with politics.

It's not heinous to me to vote lesser evil. It's practical. We *are* going to get one of the two main party candidates; I may not like it but it's not going to be any other way. One as successful as Perot was an outlier and I don't see it happening again. Voting for some podunk candidate that isn't going to get 10% of the vote is a temporary high...feel good while it's happening, then get ready for the four year hangover.

I guess if there was a party or candidate whose positions I was 100% in agreement on I'd be in more of a bind decision-wise. I agreed with some of Gary Johnson's positions for example, but not any more than I did Hillary's. So complete no-brainer.

I vote 100% Democrat for one simple reason--the GOP is a clear and present danger, I've felt that since the Iraq invasion if not before (during the Clinton impeachment horseshit). But I get not everyone sees them that way. If someone else came along that had a better chance of beating the GOP, I'd vote for them in a heartbeat (unless they were worse of course).
 

zinfamous

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Additionally...IMHO anyone who votes straight Democrat for the sake of voting Democrat is just as moronic as those who vote straight Republican for the same reason.

But honestly...no one here gives a flying fuck what I think lol

Anyone who votes straight democracy is as moronic as anyone that votes straight fascism.

That's what you just said.
 

blackangst1

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Candidates you "believe in"? Sounds very much like the hero worship that is everything wrong with politics.

It's not heinous to me to vote lesser evil. It's practical. We *are* going to get one of the two main party candidates; I may not like it but it's not going to be any other way. One as successful as Perot was an outlier and I don't see it happening again. Voting for some podunk candidate that isn't going to get 10% of the vote is a temporary high...feel good while it's happening, then get ready for the four year hangover.

I guess if there was a party or candidate whose positions I was 100% in agreement on I'd be in more of a bind decision-wise. I agreed with some of Gary Johnson's positions for example, but not any more than I did Hillary's. So complete no-brainer.

I vote 100% Democrat for one simple reason--the GOP is a clear and present danger, I've felt that since the Iraq invasion if not before (during the Clinton impeachment horseshit). But I get not everyone sees them that way. If someone else came along that had a better chance of beating the GOP, I'd vote for them in a heartbeat (unless they were worse of course).

Its not a temporary high. I vote with eyes wide open, and know an independent vote wont win. But as disappointing as knowing that is, at least in the last 3 POTUS elections, that doesnt match the nausea I would feel voting for either GOP or Democrat.

To each their own.
 

pmv

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Ralph Nader was basically responsible for Bush 2000 win. It came down to 540 votes in Florida for Bush to beat Gore while Nader had over 90,000 votes in the state. Majority of Nader votes would have gone to Gore if he wasnt in the race. So 3rd party votes are potential spoilers basically.

That's exactly what I've felt about the SDP and then the Liberal Democrats for most of the last 40 years.
 

Fenixgoon

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Sorry Im not voting Democrat or Republican next POTUS election as of now.. I dont agree with the majority of either side's candidates on things that are important to me. Additionally, voting for one side willy-nilly just so the other side will lose is absolutely heinous and dishonest. Ive only ever voted for candidates I believe in. The way its supposed to be.

And why would I commit to voting Democrat when we arent even sure who the candidate will be? Thats moronic.
Let's start with the basics.
Is democracy important to you? If so, you need to vote Democrat. Period.

If democracy isn't your first priority, then everything else is irrelevant because you're saying fascism is acceptable provided you get some of your other "important things".

And because of FTTP voting, a vote for a 3rd party that literally has no chance of winning is a wasted vote that literally can tip the odds between democracy and fascism.

You are letting perfect be the enemy of good enough.
 
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And why would I commit to voting Democrat when we arent even sure who the candidate will be? Thats moronic.
Because the other side is trying to destroy democracy and America as you've known it. You can think of democrats as the greater of two evils if it helps, but at least they want your vote to count and matter. If/when the GOP abandons fascism you can return your vote to them.
 

blackangst1

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Let's start with the basics.
Is democracy important to you? If so, you need to vote Democrat. Period.

If democracy isn't your first priority, then everything else is irrelevant because you're saying fascism is acceptable provided you get some of your other "important things".

And because of FTTP voting, a vote for a 3rd party that literally has no chance of winning is a wasted vote that literally can tip the odds between democracy and fascism.

You are letting perfect be the enemy of good enough.

Thanks for your opinion.
 

blackangst1

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Because the other side is trying to destroy democracy and America as you've known it. You can think of democrats as the greater of two evils if it helps, but at least they want your vote to count and matter. If/when the GOP abandons fascism you can return your vote to them.

mmmkay. Thanks.
 
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zinfamous

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Thats your interpretation of what I said. Very different.
I understand that you have some reasons to find at least some republicans distasteful. You may not even know why in some cases. I'm just informing you that the reason is probably that they are fascists. This assumes that you don't like fascists.

It's important to remember that Republicans of today make absolutely no secret of their love of fascism.
 
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BoomerD

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In 2008, I refused to vote for Obama. He's from Chicago...I'd be surprised if there was ever an honest politician from that shithole city...so, for the first time since my first vote in 1972, I voted for someone OTHER than the Democrat candidate. I voted 3rd party. (now, I couldn't tell you who that was) I wasn't a fan of John McCain...he rolled over too quickly for Bush...plus there was the whole "Is he a "Manchurian candidate" kind of guy? Still, he'd have been miles better than the orange buffoon.

In 2012, I voted for Obama...not so much FOR him...but AGAINST Mitt Romney. I couldn't in good conscious throw my vote away again and take the chance on "Mitt the Mormon" getting elected. No fckn way did I trust that guy. As it turned out, Obama wasn't terrible. I believe he did his best...and his best was pretty damned good, especially considering the mountain of shit he was handed when he was first elected.

In this country, (sadly) voting for one of the "other" parties is throwing away your vote. Yes, you can say you voted, (if you don't vote, you give up your right to bitch about political bullshit) but you may have also helped elect "that guy who is the worst of the worst."
I think I'd like to see the other parties have a shot...but it ain't ever gonna happen.
 
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