News Trump: Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

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VRAMdemon

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My money is on the court steering well clear of this. The conservatives there are on a mission to punish liberals and make life generally more terrible for ordinary people through contradictory legal nonsense, not to keep Trump out of prison.

I dunno .... keeping Trump out of prison not only punishes "liberals", it punishes almost the entire country of ordinary people who are not MAGA conservatives, so I could see some of them doing just that. Here's a real problem: Do they investigate the circumstances in which Judge Cannon was inserted into the Trump criminal investigation? How many times was this complaint filed, then taken back, then re-filed again and again until they got the judge they wanted? Obstruction of Justice is not only a prime legal issue with Trump. It's his MO. The appointment of this judge was a sign of anticipated need for obstruction. Could they have already indicted him in the period since the motion was itself filed? Or use the intervening period to build the superseding indictments.

Anyway ... The special master seems like a setback but at the same time, it takes that avenue of grievance away from Trump. I'm sure the FBI has already sorted the documents into two neat piles: classified government documents that Trump stole and other miscellaneous crap Trump mixed in to try to confuse investigators. So go ahead, special master. Flip through the classified stuff to make sure a letter to or from one of Trump’s lawyers isn’t buried in there somewhere. It doesn’t change the facts and it can’t be dragged out forever. A delay of a couple of weeks - or even a longer delay isn’t going to save Trump here.
 
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Pens1566

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As a practical matter, I must ask: "Burn down the court," literally? I do mean literal in the original sense... At the very least there could be a crowd of thousands perpetually demonstrating in front of the SCOTUS building. I'd have to think this would cause the 6 lame-ass conservative in-justices to lose a lot of sleep.

I don't think it will. You'll just get more calls for prosecuting those protesting from the "fuck your feelings" crowd.
 

Pohemi

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So, what ever happened to checks and balances? The SCOTUS cannot be allowed to trump the legislative and executive branch.
This past year or two, they've acted like they can just override the legislative if they don't like the laws that have been written. They've tied themselves in knots with twisted legal interpretation and reasoning.

Anything but non-partisan and unbiased.
 

VRAMdemon

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Now that I think about it ... I assume he’ll get advance notice before an actual indictment is typed up and filed, and federal Marshalls drive to Mar a Lago to arrest him. I'm assuming that’s all he needs – If he gets notified a day or two in advance, I can see him organizing a rally, and announce to his adoring crowd.: I'm running! in 2024. If it’s only a couple hours' notice, he can announce on his social media “I’M RUNNING IN 2024”.

And he will most likely once again have escaped taking responsibility for his actions.…as he has for his entire life. I'm sure he's delaying the announcement to run because he’ll lose money. Being a candidate makes him subject to campaign financing laws, so he can’t put all the cash in his pocket. But indictments will most likely change all that.
 

Pens1566

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So, what ever happened to checks and balances? The SCOTUS cannot be allowed to trump the legislative and executive branch. Only thing that comes to my mind is:
Pack the court


Oh, you sweet summer child ...
 

fskimospy

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Now that I think about it ... I assume he’ll get advance notice before an actual indictment is typed up and filed, and federal Marshalls drive to Mar a Lago to arrest him. I'm assuming that’s all he needs – If he gets notified a day or two in advance, I can see him organizing a rally, and announce to his adoring crowd.: I'm running! in 2024. If it’s only a couple hours' notice, he can announce on his social media “I’M RUNNING IN 2024”.

And he will most likely once again have escaped taking responsibility for his actions.…as he has for his entire life. I'm sure he's delaying the announcement to run because he’ll lose money. Being a candidate makes him subject to campaign financing laws, so he can’t put all the cash in his pocket. But indictments will most likely change all that.
Why would it matter if he announces his candidacy?
 
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amenx

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Imagine if he runs in 2024 and loses in a landslide. But claims it was a fraudulent election all over again, which is exactly what he would do. Theres no winning with this guy.
 

Saylick

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Why would it matter if he announces his candidacy?
It really shouldn't matter, but there's a non-zero chance the FBI will delay a possible indictment because they don't want to be seen as interfering with politics. I, of course, see it as total bollocks if that is the case. Politicians or political processes should not have some sort of protection aura if there's criminality involved.
 

fskimospy

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It really shouldn't matter, but there's a non-zero chance the FBI will delay a possible indictment because they don't want to be seen as interfering with politics. I, of course, see it as total bollocks if that is the case. Politicians or political processes should not have some sort of protection aura if there's criminality involved.
I sincerely doubt that. If anything declaring makes him more likely to be indicted, although I think indictment is inevitable at this point anyway.
 
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gothuevos

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Lol why? Master, oh all these documents are the orange monkeys and must be returned.

The more that unnecessary layers of the legal system are added, the more likely it ends up in front of a friendly judge/circuit or even the SCOTUS. It's in his favor.
 
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VRAMdemon

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Why would it matter if he announces his candidacy?

Technically nothing. Let him run for office from his jail cell for all I care. I'm just spit balling here. Just knowing how Trump floods the zone with shit to obstruct justice to delay and delay and tie it up in court, nothing would surprise me at this point.
 
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eelw

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Technically nothing. Let him run for office from his jail cell for all I care. I'm just spit balling here. Just knowing how Trump floods the zone with shit to obstruct justice to delay and delay and tie it up in court, nothing would surprise me at this point.
But funny how the judge commented on unfair media leaks that negatively impact him. He’s the one leaking things stupid judge!!!! Like Garland would be perfectly happy if none of this came out
 

Amol S.

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The ruling seems to infer the classified material could be covered be executive privilege. Which is patently insane.
I heard on the news that the judge in fact claimed the DOJ overstated the grounds set by the 1977 Supreme Court decision.
 

NWRMidnight

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I heard on the news that the judge in fact claimed the DOJ overstated the grounds set by the 1977 Supreme Court decision.
Don't post an article that has nothing to do with your comment. Give us an article that talks about this overstating the grounds set by the supposed 1977 Supreme Court Decision, as that is what your comment is about.
 

NWRMidnight

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You all know, if a democrat doesn't win the Presidency in 2024, and a republican does, no matter if Trump is indicted, tried, convicted, that republican president will for sure pardon Trump for all crimes. Specially if it is the piece of shit Desantis. This is why it is extremally important that We vote blue for President. Trump being pardoned would be another brick removed from the foundation of our democracy because the planned and attempts of destruction of our democracy is Trump's legacy. Pardoning him would cement that legacy. I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't one of the Republican platform promises pushed during campaigning if Trump isn't "there guy" running.
 
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brycejones

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At which point the Supreme Court becomes guilty of actively conspiring to aid and abet serious crimes - and at which point the burn down the court becomes not only reasonable, but necessary.
We passed that point with citizens United and the gutting of the voting rights act. Everything since then is just the court dunking on the country.
 

hal2kilo

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Seems like a decent concern would be that the 11th circuit overrules this ridiculous decision and then SCOTUS stays their order and lets it sit on their docket for a year or so.
That's why I don't think the DOJ is going to appeal. Maybe it just causes a month long delay. Better than your above scenario.
 
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