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gothuevos

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Seems like a decent concern would be that the 11th circuit overrules this ridiculous decision and then SCOTUS stays their order and lets it sit on their docket for a year or so.

Imagine doing that and then for next year's docket they announce their decision on this as well as the ISL case.

At least it would be a quick death.
 

cytg111

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And an appeal would likely go before Clarence Thomas…


Holy fuck you’re fucked.
Trump really managed to fuck you the fuck up.
 

eelw

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Legal expert commenting on the judge saying not ruling out the orange monkey still has executive privilege. So she’s saying the former executive can prevent the current executive branch which the DOJ is part of can be blocked to view these documents? Also how can one part (DOJ) is blocked, but DNI is able to access the information?
 

Fenixgoon

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Legal expert commenting on the judge saying not ruling out the orange monkey still has executive privilege. So she’s saying the former executive can prevent the current executive branch which the DOJ is part of can be blocked to view these documents? Also how can one part (DOJ) is blocked, but DNI is able to access the information?
because in conservative world the law is whatever you want it to be, not what the law actually says.
 

Muse

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Imagine if he runs in 2024 and loses in a landslide. But claims it was a fraudulent election all over again, which is exactly what he would do. Theres no winning with this guy.
He's the personification of treason.
 
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VRAMdemon

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I know people (me included) want the wheels of justice to turn as normal. Trump gets indicted, goes to trial in a speedy manor. The evidence is presented, he’s convicted and serves jail time to the exact extent the law allows, keeping in mind his proof of guilt, and respect for the law in the sentencing. But these are not normal times and the would-be person on trial is old, in relatively poor health, immensely popular demagogue within his party, with his followers who think of him skirting the law is just great. As mentioned a few posts up, a Republican president other than Cheney and Kinsinger would most likely pardon him. That Republican may campaign on it to cement those votes.

The many challenges of punishing Trump are immense. What will probably be most important is not whether he is indicted and convicted of anything, but whether he is becoming radioactive to the politicians and judges who are enabling his political nine lives and would be inclined to keep him out of jail. IMO there is no crime against the republic Trump could commit which would cause them to cease to shield him from the consequences of his immoral and criminal life. Only the voters abandoning him would help do that. The neofascists of course never will, but I believe that’s not required. What is required is an energized Democratic base, and much increased dubiousness of the wishy-washy independent middle. That seems to be happening to some extent. Without his political protectors, Trump is as vulnerable as any other treasonous seditionist.

Trump still has millions of faithful minions. He is also a popular demagogue. There is nothing that can be attempted against him that won’t energize the fascist mobs. It isn’t Trump himself and his crimes that’s the problem, without his mob and his political and judicial enablers he’s nothing, he’s vapor. Many of those people would turn to other sources of demagoguery (most likely can’t be helped at this point) and he’d eventually
drift from memory.

We'll see what happens here...
 
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gothuevos

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Remember how a few months back you had whipped yourself up into a frenzy where Republicans were going to get 67 senators and impeach Biden?

Ok ok fair enough.

But we know who is on this SCOTUS and exactly how they would rule on these cases. Even you would agree with that.
 
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rommelrommel

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Legal expert commenting on the judge saying not ruling out the orange monkey still has executive privilege. So she’s saying the former executive can prevent the current executive branch which the DOJ is part of can be blocked to view these documents? Also how can one part (DOJ) is blocked, but DNI is able to access the information?

Even Calvin would say that's too absurd for a calvinball rule.
 

gothuevos

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Even Calvin would say that's too absurd for a calvinball rule.

If appealed, it would go to the 11th circuit. Majority GOP-appointed and Justice Thomas oversees it.

Nice try, Garland, I guess. Missed your shot. This will be the first domino to fall for him to skate by, again.

BuT dOnT woRRy, RoEvEMbeR iS cOMInG!
 
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eelw

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If appealed, it would go to the 11th circuit. Majority GOP-appointed and Justice Thomas oversees it.

Nice try, Garland, I guess. Missed your shot. This will be the first domino to fall for him to skate by, again.

BuT dOnT woRRy, RoEvEMbeR iS cOMInG!
Damn you’re just a bundle of joy. Like my comment earlier, as if the master will rule the majority of these documents belong to the orange monkey. After the midterms have past, DOJ will then press charges. Yeah will take forever to goto trial. He’ll have so many rallies to taint the pool of jurors. So only fear is they get that that one juror to prevent an unanimous guilty decision. So who knows how many trials they have to go through to convict. But once convicted, yeah worry is the appeal that will ultimately end up to SCOTUS. Or delayed enough for Repugican POTUS to pardon
 

gothuevos

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Damn you’re just a bundle of joy. Like my comment earlier, as if the master will rule the majority of these documents belong to the orange monkey. After the midterms have past, DOJ will then press charges. Yeah will take forever to goto trial. He’ll have so many rallies to taint the pool of jurors. So only fear is they get that that one juror to prevent an unanimous guilty decision. So who knows how many trials they have to go through to convict. But once convicted, yeah worry is the appeal that will ultimately end up to SCOTUS. Or delayed enough for Repugican POTUS to pardon

Yeah, thanks for laying out all the get-out-of-jail-free cards he still has left.

Like I've said all along, he will face NO justice for this or anything else.
 
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Amol S.

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Don't post an article that has nothing to do with your comment. Give us an article that talks about this overstating the grounds set by the supposed 1977 Supreme Court Decision, as that is what your comment is about.
I was in the car when I heard 1010 WINS on the radio state that. May be the radio clip on the page has that, or it may be in another article.
 
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Amol S.

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VRAMdemon

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Apparently ... DoJ has an unwritten rule that it does not indict within 60 days of a federal election. We are currently 64 days away from that date.
If DoJ had been planning to indict Trump in the next 4 days, Judge Cannon has effectively squashed that with her ruling. IMO, DOJ was never going to indict before the midterms. That would have been a fast timeline for something this complex, and the politicization of an indictment is another factor that would push them into mid-November at the earliest anyway. The much bigger risk is if the claim of executive privilege stands. Kavanaugh has already questioned it.

Cannon wrote - “Even if any assertion of executive privilege by plaintiff ultimately fails in this context, that possibility, even if likely, does not negate a former president’s ability to raise the privilege as an initial matter,”


Trump has no executive privilege to exert. He’s not the Executive. Biden is, and Biden has already waived executive privilege with respect to these documents. This judge is raising this issue as if Trump has some basis to claim a privilege that isn’t his. That’s going to make this a mess.

The “60 day rule”. Basic point: no-one is sure how it should apply in this case. So, if DoJ was planning to plow ahead with the investigation during the 2-month window, it’s now blocked by whatever bullshit delaying tactics arise from the Special Master farce.

None of these wonderful boons were granted in response to Team Trump’s dumpster fire of legal filings. The judge helpfully sifted through that mountain of crap, told them what tests ought to be applied and how they would be met, and then went ahead and applied them. She behaved exactly like a sympathetic judge would treat a pro se litigant who submitted incoherent briefs by crayon, so the poor dear would have some chance at a fair trial before being utterly annihilated on the merits.

But this was not a nobody pro se litigant, it was a former President who had means to secure his own counsel. And this was not any judge either, it was a judge basically appointed by the defendant himself, and a member of the Federalist Society since 2005. This likely gets kicked to the 11th circuit which is a similar jurisprudential clown show. And then to SCOTUS where it’s easy to imagine Alito writing for a 6-3 majority saying “Trump can do all of this, it’s fine, he’s still kind of President if you really squint and think about it.” This situation is exactly what it looks like.
 
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BoomerD

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Apparently ... DoJ has an unwritten rule that it does not indict within 60 days of a federal election. We are currently 64 days away from that date.
If DoJ had been planning to indict Trump in the next 4 days, Judge Cannon has effectively squashed that with her ruling. IMO, DOJ was never going to indict before the midterms. That would have been a fast timeline for something this complex, and the politicization of an indictment is another factor that would push them into mid-November at the earliest anyway. The much bigger risk is if the claim of executive privilege stands. Kavanaugh has already questioned it.

Cannon wrote - “Even if any assertion of executive privilege by plaintiff ultimately fails in this context, that possibility, even if likely, does not negate a former president’s ability to raise the privilege as an initial matter,”


Trump has no executive privilege to exert. He’s not the Executive. Biden is, and Biden has already waived executive privilege with respect to these documents. This judge is raising this issue as if Trump has some basis to claim a privilege that isn’t his. That’s going to make this a mess.

The “60 day rule”. Basic point: no-one is sure how it should apply in this case. So, if DoJ was planning to plow ahead with the investigation during the 2-month window, it’s now blocked by whatever bullshit delaying tactics arise from the Special Master farce.

None of these wonderful boons were granted in response to Team Trump’s dumpster fire of legal filings. The judge helpfully sifted through that mountain of crap, told them what tests ought to be applied and how they would be met, and then went ahead and applied them. She behaved exactly like a sympathetic judge would treat a pro se litigant who submitted incoherent briefs by crayon, so the poor dear would have some chance at a fair trial before being utterly annihilated on the merits.

But this was not a nobody pro se litigant, it was a former President who had means to secure his own counsel. And this was not any judge either, it was a judge basically appointed by the defendant himself, and a member of the Federalist Society since 2005. This likely gets kicked to the 11th circuit which is a similar jurisprudential clown show. And then to SCOTUS where it’s easy to imagine Alito writing for a 6-3 majority saying “Trump can do all of this, it’s fine, he’s still kind of President if you really squint and think about it.” This situation is exactly what it looks like.

Since Trump isn't up for election in this cycle, the 60 day rule shouldn't apply.
 

RnR_au

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And then to SCOTUS where it’s easy to imagine Alito writing for a 6-3 majority saying “Trump can do all of this, it’s fine, he’s still kind of President if you really squint and think about it.” This situation is exactly what it looks like.
If this actually happens, it will be fun to think about all the powers that Bill Clinton and Obama still have. I mean they would also be kind of President if you really squint and think about it.
 

Moonbeam

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I have read that the executive privilege thingi is actually unsettled law and that Trump can present a case to the courts challenging the one President at a time DOJ assertion. I believe it is considered somewhat weak but that there is enough ambiguity to challenge the DOJ in court.
 
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eelw

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Since Trump isn't up for election in this cycle, the 60 day rule shouldn't apply.
DOJ already confirmed a few days ago no decisions (charge or dismiss) concerning the search will occur until after the midterms. Even if the target isn't on the ballot, the political implications is what they want to avoid. But this is DOJ. Why Comey made his Hillary announcement, who knows.
 
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gothuevos

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Apparently ... DoJ has an unwritten rule that it does not indict within 60 days of a federal election. We are currently 64 days away from that date.
If DoJ had been planning to indict Trump in the next 4 days, Judge Cannon has effectively squashed that with her ruling. IMO, DOJ was never going to indict before the midterms. That would have been a fast timeline for something this complex, and the politicization of an indictment is another factor that would push them into mid-November at the earliest anyway. The much bigger risk is if the claim of executive privilege stands. Kavanaugh has already questioned it.

Cannon wrote - “Even if any assertion of executive privilege by plaintiff ultimately fails in this context, that possibility, even if likely, does not negate a former president’s ability to raise the privilege as an initial matter,”



But this was not a nobody pro se litigant, it was a former President who had means to secure his own counsel. And this was not any judge either, it was a judge basically appointed by the defendant himself, and a member of the Federalist Society since 2005. This likely gets kicked to the 11th circuit which is a similar jurisprudential clown show. And then to SCOTUS where it’s easy to imagine Alito writing for a 6-3 majority saying “Trump can do all of this, it’s fine, he’s still kind of President if you really squint and think about it.” This situation is exactly what it looks like.

Of course this is what's going to happen.

I just feel sorry for the eternal optimists who have been saying "this time he's going down" since the Mueller investigation. They never learn. But they're going to.
 

Zorba

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Yeah, Trump is never going to go down. If nothing else he is just going to delay with bullshit and be aided by the massively corrupt judiciary branch.

I really don't see how the United States can continue for long when the judiciary just makes up shit constantly to support their side, with literally no consistency. It's time to massively expand the courts and implement automatic retirement (likely in the form of after X number of years you are back to district courts).
 
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Lezunto

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I believe Democrats should concentrate on trying to win as many Midterm contests as we can and then see what transpires. I always knew taking down Trump would not be easy.
 
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