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QueBert

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He's not stupid, just totally corrupt, which is amplified 10x by his mental illness.

No he's pretty fucking stupid. imagine an ex-president saying in an interview he can declassify documents simply by thinking about it. I honestly don't know how he's survived to his age.

He's also very corrupt, but he's also s-t-u-p-i-d, if he had total power like he wished for he probably would have tried launching a fuckin nuke into a hurricane, terrifying we had a president who didn't just think that was a logical solution for a hurricane but said it out loud.
 

rommelrommel

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No he's pretty fucking stupid. imagine an ex-president saying in an interview he can declassify documents simply by thinking about it. I honestly don't know how he's survived to his age.

He's also very corrupt, but he's also s-t-u-p-i-d, if he had total power like he wished for he probably would have tried launching a fuckin nuke into a hurricane, terrifying we had a president who didn't just think that was a logical solution for a hurricane but said it out loud.

"Hey, has anyone tried it? Seems like it would work when I think about it. All these advisors are stupid, they're probably lying about what would happen."
 
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you2

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"Hey, has anyone tried it? Seems like it would work when I think about it. All these advisors are stupid, they're probably lying about what would happen."
Sure it will work; then comes the radiation.... nice whippy radiation.... Then we can get some nice whipped up radiation rain; of course no telling what it does to the ozone so maybe we can also get some additional skin cancer when the weather clear - oh wait we'll do it while the hurrican is over China and explain it was just an accident.... er something like that... oh wait doesn't he hate europe; maybe it would be easier to do it over europe after all they wouldn't consider it an attack....
 
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UNCjigga

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Oh it gets better... as in better chances of an indictment (AND disbarment?)


Turns out Bobb was told to certify that all documents had been returned when she had nothing to do with the actual search. She's just another fall gal with a nice face. Even better--they tried to pull the same stunt with her in February, but she figured she was caught in a lie and refused to certify back then. And yet, she eventually fell for it.
 

eelw

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Well better for her to get in trouble for lack of due diligence as a lawyer than caught up in lie and being held in contempt
 
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woolfe9998

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The problem with Trump making public statements where he basically does a scattershot defense of throwing everything up against the wall to see what sticks, is that everything he's written on social media and said in speeches will come into evidence if there's a trial, regardless of whether he choses to testify. He's going to lose credibility with the jury for not sticking to one logically consistent defense. It's like saying, I didn't do it, but if I did it was self-defense, and see how far that gets you with a jury.

For example, if I'm prosecuting, I would show the jury that he made false statements about how records were handled by other ex-POTUSES. Why lie about all that if he isn't guilty?

His public statements must be driving his lawyers nuts. This is just one of many reasons he has trouble finding attorneys.
 

interchange

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Oh it gets better... as in better chances of an indictment (AND disbarment?)


Turns out Bobb was told to certify that all documents had been returned when she had nothing to do with the actual search. She's just another fall gal with a nice face. Even better--they tried to pull the same stunt with her in February, but she figured she was caught in a lie and refused to certify back then. And yet, she eventually fell for it.

Can't find any rationale behind this that isn't overtly criminal.
 
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QueBert

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The problem with Trump making public statements where he basically does a scattershot defense of throwing everything up against the wall to see what sticks, is that everything he's written on social media and said in speeches will come into evidence if there's a trial, regardless of whether he choses to testify. He's going to lose credibility with the jury for not sticking to one logically consistent defense. It's like saying, I didn't do it, but if I did it was self-defense, and see how far that gets you with a jury.

For example, if I'm prosecuting, I would show the jury that he made false statements about how records were handled by other ex-POTUSES. Why lie about all that if he isn't guilty?

His public statements must be driving his lawyers nuts. This is just one of many reasons he has trouble finding attorneys.

Not sure how a jury could even be assembled here. People either think of Trump as the greatest president we ever had or think he's one of the biggest asshole/racist/idiot/scumbags in our lifetime. Finding 12 jurors who don't have a strong opinion one way or the other on Don would be very damn difficult. And this is infinitely stronger due to his constant blabbering on Fox News and social media. Maybe 12 Amish jurors would work.
 

you2

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They have to charge him; i mean it is one thing for him to 'accidently' take a few documents; and another to go to extreme to resist returning them - and in the process even threaten the DOJ. How do you not charge this guy ?
 
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BoomerD

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They have to charge him; i mean it is one thing for him to 'accidently' take a few documents; and another to go to extreme to resist returning them - and in the process even threaten the DOJ. How do you not charge this guy ?

I don't disagree, but how will the court system find an impartial jury?
 

eelw

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I don't disagree, but how will the court system find an impartial jury?
Well to get a jury that will unanimously acquit is unlikely. But yeah will the fear of a hung jury be enough for DOJ to not pursue? MAGAtards would consider a hung jury as INNOCENT!!! And should they try for a second trial, the outrage from the orange monkey will be insane.
 

QueBert

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Well to get a jury that will unanimously acquit is unlikely. But yeah will the fear of a hung jury be enough for DOJ to not pursue? MAGAtards would consider a hung jury as INNOCENT!!! And should they try for a second trial, the outrage from the orange monkey will be insane.

If all 12 jurors voted guilty MAGA idiots would scream he's innocent and say he was railroaded by the DEMS. The only way I'd see most MAGA's admitting he was actually guilty if he was found guilty in court would be if Trump admitted to his guilt. And he could never do that, not even for the plea deal of the century. Trump will maintain one of his hairball stories where he's done nothing wrong and it's all the DOJ and FBI out to frame him, and his kult will eat it up as the facts. Remember a lot of his followers believe Trump declassified documents with the power of his mind, because he said he did it, it has to be true.
 

eelw

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If all 12 jurors voted guilty MAGA idiots would scream he's innocent and say he was railroaded by the DEMS. The only way I'd see most MAGA's admitting he was actually guilty if he was found guilty in court would be if Trump admitted to his guilt. And he could never do that, not even for the plea deal of the century. Trump will maintain one of his hairball stories where he's done nothing wrong and it's all the DOJ and FBI out to frame him, and his kult will eat it up as the facts. Remember a lot of his followers believe Trump declassified documents with the power of his mind, because he said he did it, it has to be true.
This case will be held in DC. If DOJ manage to let 12 MAGAtard on the jury, they deserve to lose. But yeah 1 will prevent an unanimous guilty verdict.
 

Pens1566

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The jury issues are just one hurdle they have to consider prior to making a determination. There are many, novel, legal questions that would also need to be accounted for assuming they seat a jury. Two of the many reasons this isn't a slam dunk by any stretch.
 

SMOGZINN

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The jury issues are just one hurdle they have to consider prior to making a determination. There are many, novel, legal questions that would also need to be accounted for assuming they seat a jury. Two of the many reasons this isn't a slam dunk by any stretch.
What novel legal questions need to be answered? The only one I know is how thoroughly he has poisoned the well of potential jurors. This will very likely be the worst case of jury contamination in history.
 

allisolm

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Interesting...

"A Trump employee has told the FBI about being directed by the former President to move boxes out of a basement storage room to his residence at Mar-a-Lago after Donald Trump’s legal team received a subpoena for any classified documents at the Florida estate"

"The FBI also has surveillance footage showing a staffer moving boxes out of the storage room, the source told CNN."

Could add a couple of nails to the obstruction, destruction of government records and mishandling of classified information cases they're building.

 

rommelrommel

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What novel legal questions need to be answered? The only one I know is how thoroughly he has poisoned the well of potential jurors. This will very likely be the worst case of jury contamination in history.

“Novel legal questions“ like:

Are past presidents above the law?
Do past presidents retain executive power?
If you psychically think a document declassified did it happen?
Can a past executive make decisions that the current executive can’t undo?
Is it stealing if you really want the documents?
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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What novel legal questions need to be answered? The only one I know is how thoroughly he has poisoned the well of potential jurors. This will very likely be the worst case of jury contamination in history.

There will absolutely be EP and classification issues raised that have never been decided. There is largely no precedent on those issues, at least in terms of who the possible defendant is. And that means they'll absolutely be escalated to SCOTUS at some point during the proceedings. You may think they're based on invalid theories on their face (and they likely are) but that means nothing in the current judicial climate. They will have implications on both process/timeline, and potentially decisions/judgements.

Those are just 2 areas. I'm sure there will be more.
 

MtnMan

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“Novel legal questions“ like:

Are past presidents above the law?
Do past presidents retain executive power?
If you psychically think a document declassified did it happen?
Can a past executive make decisions that the current executive can’t undo?
Is it stealing if you really want the documents?
That would be ...
NO
NO
NO
NO
YES
 
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Guys he’s not going to be charged. He will get a stern speaking to and he will give zero fucks about it.
Wake me up when Justice Department gets some balls.
 
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