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amenx

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When Trump is arraigned on Tuesday and likely detained, he will not be allowed to hold on to his electronics. So he will essentially be muzzled. No more Truth Social posts (unless others do it for him).

source: Meidas Touch
 
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eelw

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No one finds it odd that a GOP Congress critter with 3 Percenter ties sends a cryptic tweet about “bridges” after the Trump indictment, and a section of I-95 suddenly collapses after a coincidentally placed tanker truck fire???
Hmmmmm. Well let them review footage to see why that trucker stopped right there.
 

manly

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Who are these people you’re talking about? I can’t say I’ve seen a single person on here say that. The only thing I’ve said about DeSantis is that his culture war shit is performative to win the Republican primary (and that is obviously correct) and that if he lost the election he wouldn’t try a coup.

What IS true though is if you believe that then it’s time for a preemptive strike. I tend to doubt the sincerity of people’s beliefs when they say conservatives are about to violently overthrow the government but then refuse to take the obvious corrective step of beating them to the punch. In fact if anything your brain is broken because you’re NOT advocating for the end of the system that you fully believe is going to lead us to fascism. Start calling for a Biden auto coup in the event he loses in 2024 and I’ll believe you.
Seriously, I don't recall anybody saying that SCOTUS will save us from the fascists. We all here know what has happened to SCOTUS over the past decade+.

I disagree that the most logical response to undemocratic insurrectionists is to beat them to the punch. Are we no better than "them?" Despite by many accounts a broken political system (e.g. Electoral College and district gerrymandering), how about winning more elections and preventing MAGA from ever consolidating power? Why do we have to be insurrectionists to beat the insurrectionists? As you often like to remind us all, didn't we "win" both the 2020 and 2022 elections?
 

fskimospy

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Seriously, I don't recall anybody saying that SCOTUS will save us from the fascists. We all here know what has happened to SCOTUS over the past decade+.

I disagree that the most logical response to undemocratic insurrectionists is to beat them to the punch. Are we no better than "them?" Despite by many accounts a broken political system (e.g. Electoral College and district gerrymandering), how about winning more elections and preventing MAGA from ever consolidating power? Why do we have to be insurrectionists to beat the insurrectionists? As you often like to remind us all, didn't we "win" both the 2020 and 2022 elections?
To be clear, I don’t support a coup by Biden in the event of his defeat in 2024. My point is if you are genuinely sure that the next time the GOP gets the presidency they will never give it up and will end democracy in the US then the system is already gone. If you’re guaranteed a dictator either way it might as well be your dictator.

I think the Republican Party in its current form is a threat to democracy and I think DeSantis is a horrible human being who would do horrible things as president. I think if he lost though he would not attempt a coup like Trump did.

Yes though, I can’t think of anyone who thought the system would save us. In fact I’m pretty sure I’ve said the opposite. The only thing that saved us in 2020 was that Mike Pence refused to go along. Had he been in on the plot it very well might have worked.
 

hal2kilo

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Hmmmmm. Well let them review footage to see why that trucker stopped right there.
Well, I wasn't going to mention this, but if you saw the melted I beam you know it was an inside job. Steel just won't melt if it's subjected to over a 1000 degrees of temperature for hours with a butt ton of cement weighing it down. Just saying /s
 

GoPackGo

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You would need to prove that Trump's rhetoric was for the purpose of inciting imminent lawless action, otherwise it's protected by the first amendment. This is a very high bar to clear and would most likely fail.
Your honor, let me introduce January 6th, 2021. . .
 

fskimospy

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Your honor, let me introduce January 6th, 2021. . .
And maybe if you could get him to say something like ‘I want you to go down to the courthouse right now and fight like hell’ you could get him.

It is first amendment protected activity to publicly call for the overthrow of the government as a general idea though. (Yates v. United States)
 

MrSquished

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To be clear, I don’t support a coup by Biden in the event of his defeat in 2024. My point is if you are genuinely sure that the next time the GOP gets the presidency they will never give it up and will end democracy in the US then the system is already gone. If you’re guaranteed a dictator either way it might as well be your dictator.

I think the Republican Party in its current form is a threat to democracy and I think DeSantis is a horrible human being who would do horrible things as president. I think if he lost though he would not attempt a coup like Trump did.

Yes though, I can’t think of anyone who thought the system would save us. In fact I’m pretty sure I’ve said the opposite. The only thing that saved us in 2020 was that Mike Pence refused to go along. Had he been in on the plot it very well might have worked.

Imagine being so dumb that the only response to a potential threat to you is to preemptively attack and install your own dictatorship.

It's seriously one of the dumbest things I've ever heard here and that includes the most idiotic trumpyhumpers. That statement is so low IQ it is worthy of the dumbest as fuck clown MAGA, I dunno how anybody can think they are smart when it comes to geopolitics if that is a kind of red line in the sand position they hold.

The only choice is to pre-emptively attack yourself and overthrow democracy. I mean holy fuck the stupidity is astounding.
 
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eelw

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Hmmmmm. Well let them review footage to see why that trucker stopped right there.
Okay apparently there was an update a few hours ago. Sunday night, truck took curve too fast in attempt to get off ramp. Tipped over and caught fire. Body of driver has been recovered.
 
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JTsyo

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This would be golden for other terrorists to step in sow chaos. Hope the feds don't go light on security tomorrow.
 

Thump553

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When Trump is arraigned on Tuesday and likely detained, he will not be allowed to hold on to his electronics. So he will essentially be muzzled. No more Truth Social posts (unless others do it for him).

source: Meidas Touch
That's pure fantasy that Trumpie will be detained. A decently competent and unbiased trial judge would impose a fairly rigid order muzzling him-but the judge currently assigned to this case will do nothing other than to give Trumpie as long a (first of many) extension that he requests.
 

QueBert

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Didn’t save the link however it’s good enough for Trump so I will do the same.
People are saying the Former President hasn’t secured a Lawyer yet and has been turned down by 2-3 prominent law firms. I guess they don’t want to be shit on and not paid.
Trial may get delayed due to him not having counsel. Also if this drags on too long he will get a Public Defender which would be epic.

It could turn into a real life reality show version of My Cousin Vinnie. That would be awesome sauce
 
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skyking

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he'll get RORed and agree to stay in country. Only the Russians would take him at this point anyway.
Scotland has had more than enough of his shit.
 

uclaLabrat

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Imagine being so dumb that the only response to a potential threat to you is to preemptively attack and install your own dictatorship.

It's seriously one of the dumbest things I've ever heard here and that includes the most idiotic trumpyhumpers. That statement is so low IQ it is worthy of the dumbest as fuck clown MAGA, I dunno how anybody can think they are smart when it comes to geopolitics if that is a kind of red line in the sand position they hold.

The only choice is to pre-emptively attack yourself and overthrow democracy. I mean holy fuck the stupidity is astounding.
Its really not, its entirely logical even from a basic game theory perspective:
 

dank69

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The pitiful excuse for a woman named Kari Lake is a world wide embarrassment for the United States of America. Just off the charts disgusting.
You could substitute quite a few Republican names for hers and that statement would still hold true.
 

MrSquished

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Its really not, its entirely logical even from a basic game theory perspective:

It's idiotic. There are ways to prepare for the enemy with a solid defensive strategy that has the right plan to deal with the situation and flip it on its head. One of the key factors in the success of coups and the such is a totally unprepared party, and @fskimospy and a few others have clearly shown us they does not understand the enemy or situation at all. If you are ready for the moment and ignore those fools, you can certainly flip it on its head when they attempt to overthrow democracy.

This is not a game, but your own link talks about the foolishness of talking yourself into a preemptive attack actually. It literally proves when I'm saying.

Sometimes the best offense is a sound defense. This is one of those situations. You do not want to become what you hate, you prepare to defend against the enemy and turn the situation around on them.

To think you must only preemptively attack is exactly the foolishness that example talks about. It's idiotic and kindergarten logic. It's what we expect from the maga crowd.
 
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Zorba

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he'll get RORed and agree to stay in country. Only the Russians would take him at this point anyway.
Scotland has had more than enough of his shit.
Personally I think it'd be better for everyone if he did just bail.
 

trenchfoot

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Trump may be shitt'in bricks at the moment but I bet'cha all of his supposed trusted advisers have their fresh skivvies packed and are ready to head for parts unknown should their fearless leader decide to throw'um to the sharks as sacrificial bargaining bait as 'ol Donny boy'o tries to deal his way out of the hoosegow.

Would be quite interesting to see how many of 'um get flushed out into the open should The Orange Ogre rat them out.
 

you2

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I find it very amusing that while it is a witch hunt and he is completely innocent; he is having trouble finding a lawyer willing to defend him.
 
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