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Dave_5k

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I do wish all the media would stop blatantly incorrectly listing his charges in headlines. He has precisely 0 charges related to mishandling "classified" information, which every single headline seems to start with.

He is charged with retaining unauthorized possession of documents "related to the national defense". For the crime, it doesn't matter one bit whether or not they were classified . All the false claims by Trump and his mouthpieces that he declassified them is completely irrelevant to the charges.

To wit, the bulk (31) of the charges are under: 18 U.S.C. 793(e), emphasis added:

"(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; "
...
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
 

QueBert

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Some photos of the boxes of classified info were taken by Trumps own employees. One room full of boxes also had a copy machine there. Trump had zero care for the interests of his country, other than what could translate into personal gains for him.

What's making me laugh is how many of his followers are insistent that the pics are either fake or we don't even know what's in the boxes. Okay, that's actually a semi valid point. But I see a lot of these same people who carry on about that bring up how Biden should be on trial for boxes of classified documents he had in his garage next to his Corvette.

Apparently, the pics of Biden's boxes are concrete proof Biden had illegal shit, but the Trump pics could be his old collection of Playboys or something. And Biden needs to be impeached and thrown in prison, where Trump will be president in 2024.

I need to go Google and see this pic of Biden's garage, the way the MAGAers are talking about it it's like you can zoom in and read nuclear codes on documents out in the open. And for some reason, most of the people bring up his Corvette. Was his Vette used for something illegal I don't know about?
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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What's making me laugh is how many of his followers are insistent that the pics are either fake or we don't even know what's in the boxes. Okay, that's actually a semi valid point. But I see a lot of these same people who carry on about that bring up how Biden should be on trial for boxes of classified documents he had in his garage next to his Corvette.

Apparently, the pics of Biden's boxes are concrete proof Biden had illegal shit, but the Trump pics could be his old collection of Playboys or something. And Biden needs to be impeached and thrown in prison, where Trump will be president in 2024.

I need to go Google and see this pic of Biden's garage, the way the MAGAers are talking about it it's like you can zoom in and read nuclear codes on documents out in the open. And for some reason, most of the people bring up his Corvette. Was his Vette used for something illegal I don't know about?
Democrats aren't allowed to have nice things like expensive cars (you know a car that costs less than the average truck), while their guy flies around in a private 757.
 
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sportage

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**CORRECTION**

Some have said IT IS A SAD DAY FOR AMERICA.
No... actually IT IS A VERY GOOD DAY FOR AMERICA because... justice is working. Any day when justice is working is a good day, never a sad day.
However, IT IS A SAD DAY IN AMERICA when people elect someone like Donald Trump. THERE WAS OUR SAD DAY.

So let's be corrected.
Holding Trump accountable, or any other criminal accountable is not a sad day for America it is a very good day for America thus proving the system of justice is operational.
November 8 2016, that was the sad day. That day began all of this. November 8 2016 was indeed the very sad day for all of America.

So when people in the media or politicians say those words "it is a sad day in America", please correct them. Justice flexing its muscles is always the good day.
However, should Trump get away with his crimes, or is pardoned by himself or pardoned by others, or is allowed to slip thru the cracks of justice (i.e. Judge Aileen Cannon) then that will truly be the sad day in America. The day when justice was brought to an end. Sad
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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dude




what happened to you? why break character? WHY NOW?????
This is a mystery to me. I am the same character I have always been in my opinion. What was I before and what have I become in your opinion?

One think I can say is that people here very often don't really understand the points of view I try to express. Apparently I am crazy when I seem to disagree with someone's opinion and a genius when I agree.

I also believe that the things that I see I see as a result of a transformation of my conscious awareness that I experienced as a young man, an experience that gradually deepened as I became aware of others who experienced similar things. I believe there is a conscious state of awareness in which the world of duality disappears. The result is the integration of opposites that resolves what for others remains paradoxical. One essential of this in my opinion, is that opposites are the two sides of the same coin. Most people live in the perception of opposites as different rather than the same. This may sound like 'both sides' but it is not. It is really neither side but a third way, a realization that flows from shift in conscious awareness.

If you tell me what you see I will try to explain my reaction to it.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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**CORRECTION**

Some have said IT IS A SAD DAY FOR AMERICA.
No... actually IT IS A VERY GOOD DAY FOR AMERICA because... justice is working. Any day when justice is working is a good day, never a sad day.
However, IT IS A SAD DAY IN AMERICA when people elect someone like Donald Trump. THERE WAS OUR SAD DAY.

So let's be corrected.
Holding Trump accountable, or any other criminal accountable is not a sad day for America it is a very good day for America thus proving the system of justice is operational.
November 8 2016, that was the sad day. That day began all of this. November 8 2016 was indeed the very sad day for all of America.

So when people in the media or politicians say those words "it is a sad day in America", please correct them. Justice flexing its muscles is always the good day.
However, should Trump get away with his crimes, or is pardoned by himself or pardoned by others, or is allowed to slip thru the cracks of justice (i.e. Judge Aileen Cannon) then that will truly be the sad day in America. The day when justice was brought to an end. Sad
Exactly. Now just imagine the amount of anguish Trump has created for liberals, from that moral coward Garland to the total effeteness of our system to toss him in the dust bin of history before he could be elected. For eight years we have been living a nightmare and now he's been arrested but with a judge that can fuck up his prosecution and a political party who does not care their main guy may become a convicted criminal and not just any criminal but one willing to commit treason. We live in interesting times.

I'm betting on inertia. How long does it take for political change happen in America. Our system was designed to run at the world speed of 1776. Liberals are constantly fighting an uphill battle to get even modest things done. Why would the right have any better luck completely upending the system. The system is deep-rooted and entrenched full of committed technocrats. It's not easy to turn a battleship. The protoplasmic flow of an ameba is slow. The wheels of justice grind slow. The American character is deeply ingrained. As an American I grew up feeling pride in my country so I can't admit to the possibility we can fail. I believe that inner shared traditional attitude will prevail. Trump is a self serving egomaniac, not a real American. Those facts are no longer hidden. Rats and cockroaches operate best out of sight. I don't think there are any longer enough that don't see who he is and will not vote for him.

Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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This is a mystery to me. I am the same character I have always been in my opinion. What was I before and what have I become in your opinion?

One think I can say is that people here very often don't really understand the points of view I try to express. Apparently I am crazy when I seem to disagree with someone's opinion and a genius when I agree.

I also believe that the things that I see I see as a result of a transformation of my conscious awareness that I experienced as a young man, an experience that gradually deepened as I became aware of others who experienced similar things. I believe there is a conscious state of awareness in which the world of duality disappears. The result is the integration of opposites that resolves what for others remains paradoxical. One essential of this in my opinion, is that opposites are the two sides of the same coin. Most people live in the perception of opposites as different rather than the same. This may sound like 'both sides' but it is not. It is really neither side but a third way, a realization that flows from shift in conscious awareness.

If you tell me what you see I will try to explain my reaction to it.

stop it
 
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Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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I mean that is kinda the definition of opposite.
Like positive is opposite to negative but a duck isn't opposite to a carrot.
Positive and negative do not exist. They exist out of comparison, analysis based on thought which can only happen by the inner use of language. Language is learned experience based on memory of the past. There aren't any opposites that are real, they are artificial constructs that pretend to divide up oneness. When thought ends, the revolutionary insight there is only the joy of being begins. A duck and a carrot are names. The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon. One person can be terrified of ducks, the thought of them, and another hate carrots. What is the conscious state that perceives a duck and a carrot without associations with past experience. You were born seeing that way. In that state there exists no self hate, just a profoundly advanced study in genetic engineering.
 

QueBert

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Video resurfaces of Kid Rock claiming Trump showed him secret maps: ‘Am I supposed to be in on this?’​


You can't make this shit up, even Kid Rock of all people, knew it Trump shouldn't have been showing him that shit. And I'm really trying to understand why Kid Rock would be one of the people he showed them to.

When I saw that headline I laughed because it's so ludicrous, but then it hit me it's not funny because it isn't an episode of South Park episode or an article on The Onion, it actually happened.

"Hay Kid, wanna check out some of these classified documents I stole?"
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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I STILL JUST CAN NOT BELIEVE how his people love him so.
WHY would they remain so darn loyal? What the hell has Trump actually done for them anyway?

His so called GREAT ECONOMY was pretty much the leftovers of Obama's economy, not anything Trump created.
And if Trump's economy was so great as he claims, why did a simple pandemic bring it to its knees? If Trump's economy was so great as he claims, the greatest economy ever ever ever, then that economy could have withstood a hit like the pandemic. When Covid hit, that greatest ever ever ever Trump economy came crashing down and THAT suggests a pretty poor and vulnerable economy to me, not an economy of any strength. Thus, one Trump lie-delusion proven false.

We could call this a cult, we could call this mass insanity, we could call this celebrity-horny, but I'm really starting to think it is something not of this world. THE POD PEOPLE. I just don't know what else it could be? But whatever it is, it's perversion in the highest degree. We're talking lobotomy time. I wonder of Medicare covers that?
 

NWRMidnight

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Jun 18, 2001
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Can always get a public defender.
Can he? I am pretty sure it states that "if you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you".. He can afford a lawyer, it's just nobody is willing to defend him.. I don't think that is covered under the clause to get a public defender.. but I may be wrong.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Can he? I am pretty sure it states that "if you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you".. He can afford a lawyer, it's just nobody is willing to defend him.. I don't think that is covered under the clause to get a public defender.. but I may be wrong.
If he were genuinely unable to obtain counsel because say, all private lawyers refused to work with him, it would be provided to him.


That being said, it’s hard to think of a situation where that would apply for Trump. There’s always some idiot who will take the job.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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At this point, Donald Trump could never again be respected as president even if reelected. It just wouldn't work. Over half of America would never accept Donald Trump as president, and thats a lot of people. Most world leaders would never accept nor respect Donald Trump as president simply because they must look out for their own best interest, and to recognize a president such as a president Donald Trump would not be in their best interest. Especially with now knowing Trump's complete disregard for security and highly classified secrets both home and abroad. A second term president Donald Trump is simply not feasible. It would be highly flawed so much so that it would be impossible to take seriously or for any world nation to take a second termed president Donald Trump seriously.

So Trump had nuclear classified documents? Many republicans are now saying so what? I think those republicans who down-play this as of no concern need to experience exactly what a nuclear explosion is. Or at least watch a few YouTubes showing nuclear explosions to refresh their memory.
What Trump has done could put America and our planet in much more danger than the Cuban Missile Crisis of the 1960's. We may never know the damage Donald Trump has done, well lets just hope we never know the hard way.

Let's just hope that Trump kept those documents in his bathtub. The scary thing is, we will never know for sure. We will never know if some foreign operative invited to a Donald Trump maralago event may have snuck away from the festivities and went snooping on their own. We will never know. Some foreign entity could be using those documents against America right now at this very moment. Planning, plotting, devising a plan or plans against America and thank you Donald Trump. We may never know, not until some sunny day out of the blue, a day very similar to that sunny day back on Sept 11 2001.

My point. It is totally inconceivable and completely ridiculous to think that someone like Donald Trump would be accepted as the president of the United States ever again. We are way past that ever happening again.
You may not realize this, certainly most republicans do not realize this, but they will. They will the day Donald Trump wins the RNC nomination for president of the United States. Then on that day, they will have pause. At least I would like to hope so.
 

dank69

Lifer
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If he were genuinely unable to obtain counsel because say, all private lawyers refused to work with him, it would be provided to him.


That being said, it’s hard to think of a situation where that would apply for Trump. There’s always some idiot who will take the job.
I'm sure there are 100 lawyers willing to take the job if he pays upfront. Two Scoops is probably holding out for some that are desperate enough to bill him later, or in exchange for copies of some National Defense documents.
 

eelw

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My point. It is totally inconceivable and completely ridiculous to think that someone like Donald Trump would be accepted as the president of the United States ever again. We are way past that ever happening again.
You may not realize this, certainly most republicans do not realize this, but they will. They will the day Donald Trump wins the RNC nomination for president of the United States. Then on that day, they will have pause. At least I would like to hope so.
Lol don’t hold your breath. Not happening for next few election cycles minimum. Maybe in a decade when these old fart congress critters die. But lol they are being replaced by MTG and Santos. Good luck ‘MURICA!!!
 

soundforbjt

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Heard yesterday that Cannon can find trump innocent without the jury even being involved and that her decision can’t be reversed. Looks like he probably skates again.
 

fskimospy

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Heard yesterday that Cannon can find trump innocent without the jury even being involved and that her decision can’t be reversed. Looks like he probably skates again.
Whoever told you that is clueless and/or full of shit. That is not even remotely true.
 
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