News Trump: Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

[Jaskalas]

How does that change facts? Or at least the facts that have come to light?

Facts do not matter to people.
You are speaking of poll results. Of people's opinions. Feelings.

The person presented you with the idea that Democrats voting against Trump was expected.
You... refute that? You... are arguing against that notion?
Because I assure you, that poll would be VERY different among Republican circles.

 

[interchange]

There are.
That's a very telling picture that clearly shows documents marked "top secret" on what I assume is Trumps carpet. They caught the orange man red handed.
Lets get on with the charges, the arrest, and the trial. I'm 100% behind that course of action and there is no circumstances under which it should be delayed by a single day. I don't understand why Trump isn't in custody right now.

I think there is clearly enough evidence for a complaint to lead to a federal arrest warrant.

That said, I'm not entirely sure how precedent would actually typically follow in a case like this. If it is believed that all materials have been collected and that the subject is not an immediate flight risk prior to indictment, it does make some sense to ensure that the documents have been properly filtered, that any legal challenge to the search / request for special master be decided, and for a grand jury to hear the evidence and secure an indictment before making an arrest.

We've seen the political backlash of the FBI search already. Imagine how the country would explode if Trump were behind bars at this moment. I very much find this compelling reason to have all the t's crossed and i's dotted prior to arrest.

 

[soundforbjt]

He could and he’d be defeated by an even larger margin.

Not true if MAGAs control the elections in certain states.

 

[cytg111]

I think it is time we ask why the FBI waited so long to even get this stuff back.

IIRC I read something akin to this sitting on Garlands desk for a while before he decided to swipe right.

 

[woolfe9998]

DoJ's filing makes another good point. If Trump is now claiming that he de-classified those documents, why was this claim not made in response to correspondence from NARA, as well as the DoJ subpoena? They repeatedly alleged that they believed Trump had taken classified documents. That would have been the time to assert that claim. If he is going to try that defense at trial, I doubt any jury will believe him.

 

[Pens1566]

DoJ also making an argument about standing ... I think that's the most troubling hurdle for whatever lawyers Trump hired out of craigslist.

And that pic of the TS/SCI document covers is utterly damning.

 

[ivwshane]

Facts do not matter to people.
You are speaking of poll results. Of people's opinions. Feelings.

The person presented you with the idea that Democrats voting against Trump was expected.
You... refute that? You... are arguing against that notion?
Because I assure you, that poll would be VERY different among Republican circles.

Facts matter to me and I voted accordingly.

 

[ivwshane]

Not true if MAGAs control the elections in certain states.

Which states would add up to 7 million votes where election fraud is a possibility (meaning republicans have enough control to try such a thing)?

 

[emperus]

DoJ's filing makes another good point. If Trump is now claiming that he de-classified those documents, why was this claim not made in response to correspondence from NARA, as well as the DoJ subpoena? They repeatedly alleged that they believed Trump had taken classified documents. That would have been the time to assert that claim. If he is going to try that defense at trial, I doubt any jury will believe him.

I think most of the potential charges so far don't even require the documents being classified. Even if he did declassify them (which I don't think he did), the actual documents would still be government property, which he took, hid and lied about.

Edit: I also think the wording of the subpoena boxes him in more. The subpoena from the Grand Jury asked for all documents that bore "classification markings". At a minimum, they have him and probably his attorney's dead to rights for obstruction given those classification markings in those pics. seem hard to miss.

 

[emperus]

IIRC I read something akin to this sitting on Garlands desk for a while before he decided to swipe right.

It bothers me. Don't care if this is a D or R, they should have made sure these type of documents were recovered sooner.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Which states would add up to 7 million votes where election fraud is a possibility (meaning republicans have enough control to try such a thing)?

Don't need 7M votes with the electoral college. Just what was the spread across battleground states...50-100k votes?

 

[Greenman]

How does that change facts? Or at least the facts that have come to light?

Q: What day is it?
A: Depends if you are a Democrat or Republican

It's an opinion pole. There are no facts involved.

 

[soundforbjt]

Which states would add up to 7 million votes where election fraud is a possibility (meaning republicans have enough control to try such a thing)?

The elections for those positions haven’t happened yet, so no way of knowing how many swing state’s elections will be under MAGA control.

 

[eelw]

I think most of the potential charges so far don't even require the documents being classified. Even if he did declassify them (which I don't think he did), the actual documents would still be government property, which he took, hid and lied about.

Yeah ignoring the presidential records act is only 3 years. And that was why NARA was handling it from after Jan 2021 to May of this year. Now it's jumped to espionage

 

[HomerJS]

Facts do not matter to people.
You are speaking of poll results. Of people's opinions. Feelings.

The person presented you with the idea that Democrats voting against Trump was expected.
You... refute that? You... are arguing against that notion?
Because I assure you, that poll would be VERY different among Republican circles.

I would expect eventually overwhelming evidence to take hold. At least we could get an explanation from anyone of those 12 people. I would love to hear it.

Hopefully none of those people will ever serve on a jury.

 

[cytg111]

So. Trump Jr gassing up the private plane as we speak?

 

[Pens1566]

So. Trump Jr gassing up the private plane as we speak?

Only if it runs on cocaine.

 

[woolfe9998]

I think most of the potential charges so far don't even require the documents being classified. Even if he did declassify them (which I don't think he did), the actual documents would still be government property, which he took, hid and lied about.

Edit: I also think the wording of the subpoena boxes him in more. The subpoena from the Grand Jury asked for all documents that bore "classification markings". At a minimum, they have him and probably his attorney's dead to rights for obstruction given those classification markings in those pics. seem hard to miss.

I think whether the documents were classified or not is hugely important though. He'll do way more time if the docs were classified. And poliically speaking, the prosecution will look petty if it is entirely over unclassified records.

 

[soundforbjt]

So. Trump Jr gassing up the private plane as we speak?

Did they ever get it repaired?

 

[soulcougher73]

I would expect eventually overwhelming evidence to take hold. At least we could get an explanation from anyone of those 12 people. I would love to hear it.

Hopefully none of those people will ever serve on a jury.

Sadly i dont think there is such a think as overwhelming evidence for Trump supports. They will just claim it was all planted by the FBI as a witch hunt. Oh wait...theyve already done that. They will stick to their guns.

 

[soulcougher73]

So. Trump Jr gassing up the private plane as we speak?

Didnt they take his passports? Probably for this very reason.

 

[eelw]

And poliically speaking, the prosecution will look petty if it is entirely over unclassified records.

BS!!! Only Repugnicans are making this political. Only idiots can both sides this with Hillary

 

[Stokely]

If the Trumps were to leave, great. I'd love the old toad to rot his last days away in prison, but I don't have any real hopes that will happen no matter what he did. He was right when he said he could kill someone on the street on 5th avenue and get away with it.

Go live out your worthless life in some resort somewhere, posting memes on your social network until it gets closed down--just as long as you aren't near public office again, this is a major win.

 

[woolfe9998]

BS!!! Only Repugnicans are making this political. Only idiots can both sides this with Hillary

It's not going to play well with swing voters if all this is somehow ruled as unclassified presidential records. It's going to seem like a tempest in a teapot. The fact that some of these materials are highly classified is where all the political juice is. I also doubt Trump would get any serious time for improperly retaining unclassified materials.

 

[Lezunto]

Trump's passports were reportedly returned. Why and where would he flee to? And would Melania and his children want to go with him?

Trump may think he's going to be reinstated by his supporters.