Yeah, Barr is doing a bit of image repair here. And by "bit" I mean a metric fuck-ton.
Good for him & fuck him.
Where was this guy when he had power?
Assuming he continues to do the right thing I’m willing to forgive.Yeah, Barr is doing a bit of image repair here. And by "bit" I mean a metric fuck-ton.
Assuming he continues to do the right thing I’m willing to forgive.
Nope. Fuck him. Sideways. With a pine cone.
What he's doing here is trying to prevent Trump from running for president again or winning the primary if he does. If Trump does run and win the primary though Barr has already said he would support him again. Fuck that guy.Assuming he continues to do the right thing I’m willing to forgive.
Seriously.. how many times did you give an excuse for Hillary's emails?
You have given Trump several in excuses in this thread.
Admit you are just an empty shell republican with zero ability to think for yourself.
As @interchange mentioned that's not relevant. Even if the boxes were 100% packed up without his knowledge and all these materials spirited away without him knowing he was informed they were in his possession a very long time ago and he did not return them. That's all that matters.
As @interchange mentioned that's not relevant. Even if the boxes were 100% packed up without his knowledge and all these materials spirited away without him knowing he was informed they were in his possession a very long time ago and he did not return them. That's all that matters.
That's true - you could potentially charge additional people. It just doesn't affect Trump's exposure.if the aides packed up classified materials...should they be charged criminally?
Nope. Fuck him. Sideways. With a pine cone.
if the aides packed up classified materials...should they be charged criminally?
Oh no no no, don’t take that as he’s innocent.As @interchange mentioned that's not relevant. Even if the boxes were 100% packed up without his knowledge and all these materials spirited away without him knowing he was informed they were in his possession a very long time ago and he did not return them. That's all that matters.
IRC ftw.But what about Michael Bolton? He can sing on it...
/me runs away
As @interchange mentioned that's not relevant. Even if the boxes were 100% packed up without his knowledge and all these materials spirited away without him knowing he was informed they were in his possession a very long time ago and he did not return them. That's all that matters.
Nope. Fuck him. Sideways. With a pine cone.
Either you are ready and willing to kill off half the country, and then some.... AND suffer massive casualties of your own....
Or Republicans need people who will throw treasonous Trump under the bus. To bury MAGA with him.
Barr could be the start of at least peeling some away and reducing the need for a civil war.
While I don't expect nor hope for a positive outcome, the door should at least be left open for any opportunities for us to live through this.
The psychic declassification defense always seemed like more of a PR one than a legal one as having it so the president could have secretly declassified any document at any time without telling a single soul would throw the system into chaos. It depends very heavily on people knowing what is classified!Except it is relevant, just not as a defense for Trump. If Trump is going to claim he declassified documents taken from the White House, then how could that have happened if he initially didn't even know classified documents were being taken? Which leaves him without the defense, and right back to where he intentionally fails to return them after he's informed by NARA and DoJ.
Might well be better for the prosecution if they get testimony that establishes this.
The psychic declassification defense always seemed like more of a PR one than a legal one as having it so the president could have secretly declassified any document at any time without telling a single soul would throw the system into chaos. It depends very heavily on people knowing what is classified!
I think your fear is the largest one but I also think there’s a nonzero chance of a civil war resulting from the 2024 election.I agree we need all the help we can get to counter the MAGA movement and Trump, including from assholes like Barr.
I don't agree with your implication that civil war is a plausible outcome here. I mean, how would that even occur? The red states aren't going to secede like the south did in 1860, and even if they did, I don't think a dem POTUS would go to war with them to get them back. Meaning there wouldn't be any state resources to support a rebel army like they had with the confederacy.
There could be an uprising, which is not the same thing, but it would die fast. I suspect 80-90% of the military and national guard would hold to their posts. I also suspect that the vast majority of this MAGA crowd are not willing to risk their lives to take up arms. Some will, but not enough.
The actual bad outcome here is Trump getting back into power, trashing what is left of democracy while there, by throwing his political opponents in jail, revoking press broadcasting licenses, then "postponing" the 2028 election because of a "national emergency" which would be any lie he concocts. Then we are in the grip of a fascist dictatorship. It's how it happened in Germany. Hitler was elected, then suspended the Weimar constitution because of a supposed national emergency, and cancelled all future elections. This scenario is way more plausible than anything like an actual civil war.
This is a huge concern of mine too.I think your fear is the largest one but I also think there’s a nonzero chance of a civil war resulting from the 2024 election.
As I’ve said let’s assume 2024 plays out identically to 2020. Are we sure republican legislatures in swing states won’t declare the Republican the winner in defiance of the popular vote? I’m not. In that case there would possibly be competing claims to the presidency, both with some merit. What happens then? I’m not sure but there seems to be an atmosphere for civil conflict there.
If we are accepting that the president has plenary declassification authority and can do so simply by thinking it then he sure could have. I mean maybe he psychically declassified all documents at 11:59 on Inauguration Day?Yes the defense seems ridiculous to me, but you see my point? Trump could not have declassified those documents, whether psychically or by telling someone, if he had no knowledge they were being removed until after his term ended.
I agree we need all the help we can get to counter the MAGA movement and Trump, including from assholes like Barr.
I don't agree with your implication that civil war is a plausible outcome here. I mean, how would that even occur? The red states aren't going to secede like the south did in 1860, and even if they did, I don't think a dem POTUS would go to war with them to get them back. Meaning there wouldn't be any state resources to support a rebel army like they had with the confederacy.
There could be an uprising, which is not the same thing, but it would die fast. I suspect 80-90% of the military and national guard would hold to their posts. I also suspect that the vast majority of this MAGA crowd are not willing to risk their lives to take up arms. Some will, but not enough.
The actual bad outcome here is Trump getting back into power, trashing what is left of democracy while there, by throwing his political opponents in jail, revoking press broadcasting licenses, then "postponing" the 2028 election because of a "national emergency" which would be any lie he concocts. Then we are in the grip of a fascist dictatorship. It's how it happened in Germany. Hitler was elected, then suspended the Weimar constitution because of a supposed national emergency, and cancelled all future elections. This scenario is way more plausible than anything like an actual civil war.