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Ken g6

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That Trump appointed judge just sacrificed herself at the Alter of The Orange God of Idiocracy.

She exposed how she is nothing more than another corrupted lackey in the GOP's stable of sacrificial lambs.

Just a preview.... a small preview of what a Donald Trump second term would look like.
Think about THAT. You'd better think about THAT, and think hard.

Just imagine the corruption. Just imagine the fear. Just imagine no one available to expose the corruption. Just imagine no one to hold Trump accountable. Just imagine the courts, all the justices, the justice department itself, the FBI and the CIA all ran "ALL RAN" by people exactly like Judge Aileen Cannon.

Oh by the way, I was looking at those nuke launch codes discovered at MarALago. The launch codes are... 12, 15, 47, 67, 1, 2, 3. Just call the The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) phone number, hit # (pound), enter the codes, and up and away go the warheads. All 5550 of them.
Can you say KA-BOOM?
Thank you Donald. And dictators all over the globe thank you too.
 
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trenchfoot

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Just a preview.... a small preview of what a Donald Trump second term would look like.
Think about THAT. You'd better think about THAT, and think hard.

Just imagine the corruption. Just imagine the fear. Just imagine no one available to expose the corruption. Just imagine no one to hold Trump accountable. Just imagine the courts, all the justices, the justice department itself, the FBI and the CIA all ran "ALL RAN" by people exactly like Judge Aileen Cannon.

Oh by the way, I was looking at those nuke launch codes discovered at MarALago. The launch codes are... 12, 15, 47, 67, 1, 2, 3. Just call the The National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) phone number, hit # (pound), enter the codes, and up and away go the warheads. All 5550 of them.
Can you say KA-BOOM?
Thank you Donald. And dictators all over the globe thank you too.


Yep, after two attempts at impeaching him, inciting a failed insurrection, creating fake electors, pressuring Raffsensperger to conjure 18k+ votes out of thin air and lying his ass off about his election being stolen from him, 70+ million of his Magaminions are still going to unfailingly vote for him again if he can delay all of the numerous likely indictments and civil lawsuits filed against him.
 

Pens1566

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I'm sure the country in question wasn't Israel. And I'm also sure that it had absolutely nothing to do with the $2B that boy blunder got from the Saudis ...
 
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Meghan54

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Apparently ... DoJ has an unwritten rule that it does not indict within 60 days of a federal election. We are currently 64 days away from that date.
If DoJ had been planning to indict Trump in the next 4 days, Judge Cannon has effectively squashed that with her ruling. IMO, DOJ was never going to indict before the midterms. That would have been a fast timeline for something this complex, and the politicization of an indictment is another factor that would push them into mid-November at the earliest anyway. The much bigger risk is if the claim of executive privilege stands. Kavanaugh has already questioned it.

Cannon wrote - “Even if any assertion of executive privilege by plaintiff ultimately fails in this context, that possibility, even if likely, does not negate a former president’s ability to raise the privilege as an initial matter,”


Trump has no executive privilege to exert. He’s not the Executive. Biden is, and Biden has already waived executive privilege with respect to these documents. This judge is raising this issue as if Trump has some basis to claim a privilege that isn’t his. That’s going to make this a mess.

The “60 day rule”. Basic point: no-one is sure how it should apply in this case. So, if DoJ was planning to plow ahead with the investigation during the 2-month window, it’s now blocked by whatever bullshit delaying tactics arise from the Special Master farce.

None of these wonderful boons were granted in response to Team Trump’s dumpster fire of legal filings. The judge helpfully sifted through that mountain of crap, told them what tests ought to be applied and how they would be met, and then went ahead and applied them. She behaved exactly like a sympathetic judge would treat a pro se litigant who submitted incoherent briefs by crayon, so the poor dear would have some chance at a fair trial before being utterly annihilated on the merits.

But this was not a nobody pro se litigant, it was a former President who had means to secure his own counsel. And this was not any judge either, it was a judge basically appointed by the defendant himself, and a member of the Federalist Society since 2005. This likely gets kicked to the 11th circuit which is a similar jurisprudential clown show. And then to SCOTUS where it’s easy to imagine Alito writing for a 6-3 majority saying “Trump can do all of this, it’s fine, he’s still kind of President if you really squint and think about it.” This situation is exactly what it looks like.
If/when Trump is pardoned by another Repub president, that’ll essentially kill Trump’s political career. Trump will have to say he’s guilty of all these “things” like sedition and such if/when he accepts said pardon. Guilty.

Think about how much Trump wants a pardon to “clear his name” but in essence declares himself guilty of everything and disqualifies himself from seeking office again. Trump’s head then explodes.

One can dream.
 
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Pens1566

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If/when Trump is pardoned by another Repub president, that’ll essentially kill Trump’s political career. Trump will have to say he’s guilty of all these “things” like sedition and such if/when he accepts said pardon. Guilty.

Think about how much Trump wants a pardon to “clear his name” but in essence declares himself guilty of everything and disqualifies himself from seeking office again. Trump’s head then explodes.

One can dream.

There's only one thing that can kill his political career, and that ain't it.
 

amenx

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Former Republican administration officials and legal experts with extensive prosecutorial experience in related matters submitted a 'friends of the court' document to help judge Cannon better understand the situation and let her know there was '“no legal basis” to appoint a special master in the Trump case and, even if there was, that Trump had no basis to claim executive privilege over the documents..."

Pretty sure she felt like a fool reading their document which she rejected.

 
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fskimospy

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She didn't feel like a fool. She played her hand. She probably believes he's going to do good things for her when he's reelected. Silly woman, Trump doesn't do paybacks.
I think this is a situation where she gets ‘paid back’. If Trump somehow became president again I think he would elevate her to a circuit court because 1) it doesn’t cost him anything personally and 2) she’s proven herself willing to put his needs above the law, her oath, and her reputation. He would want people like that placed as highly as possible.

While I don’t think Trump will be president again I think the party would still reward her at the next opportunity as they have also been selecting for these sorts of apparatchiks for the federal judiciary.
 
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I had thought that there was the possibility of there being attorney/client correspondence in some of the material?

I haven't been following this as it's empty posturing. The trial is all that matters.
That seems like a bit of a stretch to delay the process, especially since they didn't exactly make those claims until days to weeks after the materials were seized; plus, the DOJ already ran stuff through a filtering team though before passing on materials to investigators to help abrogate the idea that inappropriate materials would be passed along.

As for the idea that "the trial is all that matters" - that's patently asinine nonsense. People can be guilty without being tried and convicted. People don't think OJ is some upstanding guy after the murder trial, or that Al Capone was an upstanding individual before he was finally nailed for tax evasion, etc.
 
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1. Thankfully the ruling does not prevent ODNI from completing its work. This is essential as anything that prevented our national security apparatus from assessing the damage done by Trump's mishandling of classified materials would be extremely dangerous.

2. A special master reviewing / returning personal records and attorney-client privileged material is basically meaningless to this case. Its only harm is slowing things down.

3. The big big big question mark about this is the door the judge left open about review for executive privilege. Of course, this ruling does not actually specify at this time what could possibly be considered covered under executive privilege. This is really the only thing that will have a practical impact on the results of this case, and right now we have to wait until further ruling from the court until we learn more.

Personally, especially since the government already reviewed all the documents, I don't think they'd be inclined to appeal the decision unless there is some phantom executive privilege shield afforded by further court ruling. Their case isn't really about the content of the materials obtained. They can proceed to investigate without that. Sure, if it turns out these documents were compromised with or without intent that would be a much bigger criminal case, but Trump is still facing espionage act and obstruction charges without that.
 
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fskimospy

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1. Thankfully the ruling does not prevent ODNI from completing its work. This is essential as anything that prevented our national security apparatus from assessing the damage done by Trump's mishandling of classified materials would be extremely dangerous.
Not sure about that as the FBI is part of the intelligence community too and their investigative process is vital for ODNI to understand the scope and nature of the damage and who might have come into contact with/seen this information.

2. A special master reviewing / returning personal records and attorney-client privileged material is basically meaningless to this case. Its only harm is slowing things down.

3. The big big big question mark about this is the door the judge left open about review for executive privilege. Of course, this ruling does not actually specify at this time what could possibly be considered covered under executive privilege. This is really the only thing that will have a practical impact on the results of this case, and right now we have to wait until further ruling from the court until we learn more.

Personally, especially since the government already reviewed all the documents, I don't think they'd be inclined to appeal the decision unless there is some phantom executive privilege shield afforded by further court ruling. Their case isn't really about the content of the materials obtained. They can proceed to investigate without that. Sure, if it turns out these documents were compromised with or without intent that would be a much bigger criminal case, but Trump is still facing espionage act and obstruction charges without that.
Yes, the main issue here is more legal Calvinball.
 
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I'm sure the country in question wasn't Israel. And I'm also sure that it had absolutely nothing to do with the $2B that boy blunder got from the Saudis ...
I don’t like commenting on stuff like this without solid confirmation, I was thinking it would be a place the former President has a grudge against like Germany or France. However what you said makes a ton of sense and is very fitting in a Trump kind of way. Backstab a country that likes him and his party, PLUS throw a bunch of fellow Republicans under the bus by being forced to defend the former President.
Poorly planned and sloppy work is the Hallmark of a Trump.
 

SMOGZINN

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Why is having a special master an issue?
For me at least it is not so much about there being a special master appointed as it is about the extreme amount of privilege it shows Trump is getting.
Overall the only real question for the Special Master to consider is Client/Attorney privilege. That should be real simple, and honestly should not take more then a few days to review. Remember that correspondence between Sessions or Barr can not be considered privileged as they were not Trump's Attorneys. They represented the United States not the President.

I think what dismays me about this ruling is that It has been made very clear in the last few years that there are two legal systems in America, one for the rich and famous, and one for the rest of us, and they no longer care that we all know it.
 

fskimospy

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I don’t like commenting on stuff like this without solid confirmation, I was thinking it would be a place the former President has a grudge against like Germany or France. However what you said makes a ton of sense and is very fitting in a Trump kind of way. Backstab a country that likes him and his party, PLUS throw a bunch of fellow Republicans under the bus by being forced to defend the former President.
Poorly planned and sloppy work is the Hallmark of a Trump.
Well Germany doesn't have nuclear weapons (unless they are secret and in these papers!). I would think it would be information that has some sort of trade value for him.

I don't buy for a second that all these ultra classified papers just fell into a box - he took them for a reason and while maybe some of them are for personal reasons (Kim's love letters or whatever) I don't think he was waxing nostalgic over France's nuclear capabilities.
 

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My opinion, the Special Master play is only a delay tactic, the Judge is playing along for her own gain. They filed the claims way to late to really do any good. I think this is way to big and too clear cut for the DOJ to ignore, especially if reports are true as to the content of the docs. Trump isn't some master genius in this whole thing, he's very much fumbling his way through it with incompetent lawyers. it's a bad sign when your lawyers need to lawyer up. I'd say the shit will really hit the fan after the midterms as the DOJ is playing this super safe and is atm using kid gloves.
 

ImpulsE69

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Having the special master in itself isn't an issue. In fact, I think it works to the DOJ's advantage to help show there's nothing slanted going on. However, the whole reason for it is simply to delay the process, which means there's something else afoot that we will find out about in time.

If Trump announces he's running before they press charges, technically they won't charge him? I'm sure there's some timing game going on to try to pull what he did the first time.
 
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My opinion, the Special Master play is only a delay tactic, the Judge is playing along for her own gain. They filed the claims way to late to really do any good. I think this is way to big and too clear cut for the DOJ to ignore, especially if reports are true as to the content of the docs. Trump isn't some master genius in this whole thing, he's very much fumbling his way through it with incompetent lawyers. it's a bad sign when your lawyers need to lawyer up. I'd say the shit will really hit the fan after the midterms as the DOJ is playing this super safe and is atm using kid gloves.
This is exactly the point. It gets everyone talking about something other than the classified documents themselves. It's just a obfuscation tactic.
 
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