News Trump: Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI

[UNCjigga]

My money is on documents on Iran.

Trump pretty much admitted it in a Truth Social post that slid under the radar for some reason. The major news networks most likely ignored it because the post also doxxed a State Department employee and advanced a conspiracy theory……”They’re just so mad because I took information on Iran”.

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Also, I think Iran’s nuclear capabilities are of particular interest to the Saudis.

An American response to a potentially nuclear-armed Iran:

1. Sanctions
2. Inspections
3. Negotiated peace, and don’t drop #1 unless #2 is permanent

A Kushner/Trump response to a potentially nuclear-armed Iran:

1. Give those Mossad guys carte blanche—who cares about blowback because they’ll just blame the Jews.

2. If Shia Iran gets the bomb, then Sunni Saudi gets the bomb! What could go wrong??

 

[Puffnstuff]

Trump is so ignorant that he probably thinks that the cold war was when Melania slapped his hand on TV.

 

[VRAMdemon]

An American response to a potentially nuclear-armed Iran:

1. Sanctions
2. Inspections
3. Negotiated peace, and don’t drop #1 unless #2 is permanent

A Kushner/Trump response to a potentially nuclear-armed Iran:

1. Give those Mossad guys carte blanche—who cares about blowback because they’ll just blame the Jews.

2. If Shia Iran gets the bomb, then Sunni Saudi gets the bomb! What could go wrong??

Reading into that truth social post - Did Trump confess to hanging onto classified information about Iran’s nuclear program? Is he admitting to deliberately withholding this information from the Biden Administration? The idea of continuity between administrations, that the purpose of government is to serve the interests of the people of the United States – which includes protecting them from foreign enemies – never ever enters his tiny brain.

To him, it’s all about personal vendettas. To him, it’s perfectly reasonable that he scuttle “Obama’s” nuclear deal with Iran, because Obama is the enemy, more so than Iran, and it’s reasonable that he keep the details a secret from his successor, because Biden, too, is the enemy. It’s also perfectly plausible in his warped brain that Jake Sullivan ordered his wife to connive Merrick Garland into ordering a search of Trump’s home to try to retrieve secret information about the Iran deal. This is certainly how things might work in the homelands of his two heroes and best pals, Putin and Kim. This is how the man thinks. It’s also exactly how he behaves.

 

[Muse]

How did that not break the camera?

 

[sportage]

I'm just looking at the CNN headlines. All that corruption. All that breaking of the law by Trump and all those associated with Trump.

We have Steve Bannon in the news, and we still have the stolen classified documents, we have news on the fake Trump electors, frankly.... I can't keep up with it all. The old and ongoing criminal activity continues day after day in the news, with newly discovered crap added to the pile until who the hell can keep track of it all?

And still, I wonder what republicans would have done to a president Obama, if you picked just one of the hundreds of crimes Donald Trump or his Trumpies in congress have committed? Republicans were ready to impeach Obama over Obamacare, and sacrifice Obama to the wolves for simply wearing a brown suit. Or was it a beige suit?

Can you imagine CAN YOU IMAGINE what republicans in congress would have done to a president Obama if Obama had pulled off just one Donald Trump atrocity, let alone the hundreds of Donald Trump atrocities? It makes your head spin.

And what is worse, would a president Barack Obama have ever gotten away with what Donald Trump is and has been getting away with? You think Obama would have been allowed to pull a "special master" out of his hat to delay and thwart an investigation from a republican attorney general?
Oh no, republicans in congress would never have allowed THAT. They would have found or made-up some new law to stop a president Barack Obama from getting away with what Donald Trump is currently getting away with. And has already gotten away with.
Remember... Trump isn't even the sitting president, and yet everyone is acting like he is.
Absolutely amazing. Sickening, but amazing.

 

[BoomerD]

It's good to be the King.

 

[ImpulsE69]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/morning-joe-scarborough-questions-merits-163634553.html

This is something I've been wondering about. Sure...most of us want the man to rot in prison, but is it actually good for the future? The argument that if the democrats do this the republicans will retaliate is a very valid concern, but at the same time, do we continue to let them break the law unchecked? Who's to say that even if they don't charge Trump they won't turn around and do the same thing anyway? The crux of the issue is Trump is not a problem that will go away quietly on its own. Until the GOP completely remove themselves from him, this will continue to be an issue, and most likely this asshat will run for some office again and potentially win.

 

[purbeast0]

Yes it's good for the future. It let's the people know that even the President is not above the law. It really is as simple as that.

 

[uclaLabrat]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/morning-joe-scarborough-questions-merits-163634553.html

This is something I've been wondering about. Sure...most of us want the man to rot in prison, but is it actually good for the future? The argument that if the democrats do this the republicans will retaliate is a very valid concern, but at the same time, do we continue to let them break the law unchecked? Who's to say that even if they don't charge Trump they won't turn around and do the same thing anyway? The crux of the issue is Trump is not a problem that will go away quietly on its own. Until the GOP completely remove themselves from him, this will continue to be an issue, and most likely this asshat will run for some office again and potentially win.

It doesnt matter if trump is indicted or not...repubs will do anything they can to indict a dem regardless. This is a false dilemma and shouldnt enter the calculus. Rule of law and nothing else matters.

 

[fskimospy]

It doesnt matter if trump is indicted or not...repubs will do anything they can to indict a dem regardless. This is a false dilemma and shouldnt enter the calculus. Rule of law and nothing else matters.

That already happened. Republicans didn't need Democrats to prosecute Trump to try and use the DOJ against Democrats, they were already doing it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/08/berman-trump-department-justice-organized/

 

[Uhtrinity]

If the reports are as damning as they seem to be letting Trump off is even worse, it sets the precedent that the law doesn't apply to the president. Pretty much the same if he gets off the hook for Jan 6. Imagine how much worse it can get with future presidents. Democracy would be over.

 

[Amused]

DOJ is appealing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/08/justice-appeals-trump-documents-special-master/

Justice Dept. appeals Cannon’s order for a Mar-a-Lago special master
Donald Trump’s lawyers want a special master to shield seized documents that are protected by attorney-client or executive privilege


The Justice Department said it would appeal a federal judge’s decision to appoint a special master to sift through thousands of documents the FBI seized from Donald Trump’s Florida residence on Aug. 8, according to a Thursday court filing.

The notice of appeal arrived three days after Judge Aileen M. Cannon ruled in favor of Trump and said she would appoint a special master, slowing — at least temporarily — an investigation into the possible mishandling of extremely sensitive classified information, as well as possible hiding, tampering or destruction of government records.

The Justice Department wrote in a brief filing that it would be appealing the decision to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. The notice paves the way for federal prosecutors to submit a detailed appeals brief to the 11th Circuit Court in Atlanta.

Trump’s legal team argued in a federal courthouse in West Palm Beach last week that a special master is needed to determine whether any of the documents — more than 100 of which are classified — should be shielded from investigators because of attorney-client or executive privilege. They also said an independent outside expert would boost “trust” in the Justice Department’s criminal probe.

Justice Department lawyers told Cannon they had already sorted through the documents, using a “filter team” to separate out more than 500 pages of documents potentially covered by attorney-client privilege. That arrangement was approved by the U.S. magistrate judge who authorized the search warrant for Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s Florida home and private club, after the government tried for months to get Trump and his advisers to return all the government documents kept at the property.

The Justice Department also argued that a former president cannot assert executive privilege after he leaves office, and that it is not possible for one part of the executive branch to assert privilege to shield documents from another part.

The Washington Post reported Tuesday that among the documents seized by the FBI was one describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, according to people familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to discuss it. The people also said of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations that are so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them.

While the appointment of a special master means investigators cannot use the documents they seized until the outside expert clears them, an appeal of Cannon’s decision carries its own legal risks for the Justice Department.

The appeals process could take longer than any document review by the special master. And there is no guarantee that the government would prevail, particularly if the case were to reach the Supreme Court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority that includes three Trump appointees.

 

[pete6032]

Is the appellate judge also a Trump appointee?

 

[Pohemi]

...The Justice Department also argued that a former president cannot assert executive privilege after he leaves office, and that it is not possible for one part of the executive branch to assert privilege to shield documents from another part...

The above should be obvious to anyone with the most basic thought processes.

While the appeal will obviously slow down the progression of the case, this might be part of the reasoning, to not let the partisan judge's bullshit justification and remarks stand on the record. I wish them luck in the 11th circuit, it could be an uphill battle.

 

[Dave_5k]

Is the appellate judge also a Trump appointee?

6 of the 11 active judges on the 11th circuit court of appeals are Trumpkins (Or rather, Federalist Society arch-conservatives that put conservative political beliefs as priority above the law, and thus were in the list handed to Trump to appoint.)

A 7th was appointed by Bush W. And the remaining 4 appointed by democratic presidents were mostly more center-conservative than liberal anyway.

A 3 person "random" panel will usually first review any novel appeal and decide how to handle it, and it can later be further appealed to the full 11 judge court by either side if unhappy with the decision.

 

[hal2kilo]

DOJ is appealing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/08/justice-appeals-trump-documents-special-master/

Justice Dept. appeals Cannon’s order for a Mar-a-Lago special master
Donald Trump’s lawyers want a special master to shield seized documents that are protected by attorney-client or executive privilege


The Justice Department said it would appeal a federal judge’s decision to appoint a special master to sift through thousands of documents the FBI seized from Donald Trump’s Florida residence on Aug. 8, according to a Thursday court filing.

The notice of appeal arrived three days after Judge Aileen M. Cannon ruled in favor of Trump and said she would appoint a special master, slowing — at least temporarily — an investigation into the possible mishandling of extremely sensitive classified information, as well as possible hiding, tampering or destruction of government records.

The Justice Department wrote in a brief filing that it would be appealing the decision to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. The notice paves the way for federal prosecutors to submit a detailed appeals brief to the 11th Circuit Court in Atlanta.

Trump’s legal team argued in a federal courthouse in West Palm Beach last week that a special master is needed to determine whether any of the documents — more than 100 of which are classified — should be shielded from investigators because of attorney-client or executive privilege. They also said an independent outside expert would boost “trust” in the Justice Department’s criminal probe.

Justice Department lawyers told Cannon they had already sorted through the documents, using a “filter team” to separate out more than 500 pages of documents potentially covered by attorney-client privilege. That arrangement was approved by the U.S. magistrate judge who authorized the search warrant for Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s Florida home and private club, after the government tried for months to get Trump and his advisers to return all the government documents kept at the property.

The Justice Department also argued that a former president cannot assert executive privilege after he leaves office, and that it is not possible for one part of the executive branch to assert privilege to shield documents from another part.

The Washington Post reported Tuesday that among the documents seized by the FBI was one describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, according to people familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to discuss it. The people also said of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations that are so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them.

While the appointment of a special master means investigators cannot use the documents they seized until the outside expert clears them, an appeal of Cannon’s decision carries its own legal risks for the Justice Department.

The appeals process could take longer than any document review by the special master. And there is no guarantee that the government would prevail, particularly if the case were to reach the Supreme Court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority that includes three Trump appointees.

Just came back from the new Winco. Its amazing how the demographics of the area affect all kinds of things about a store. Size of isles magically are 2 times bigger, and selection is amazing. So the Silverdale Winco is now my new store. Helps that it occupies the old Sears. Oh yea, this isn't what this threads about.
First thing I saw when I powered up my TV, DOJ is going to appeal.
Sanity rules for now.

 

[Muse]

If the reports are as damning as they seem to be letting Trump off is even worse, it sets the precedent that the law doesn't apply to the president. Pretty much the same if he gets off the hook for Jan 6. Imagine how much worse it can get with future presidents. Democracy would be over.

I totally agree.

I watched the long PBS Frontline doc a couple nights ago about events leading up to and following Jan. 6, 2021. It made no mention of Trump making off with highly sensitive documents that belonged to the USA and not himself. I suppose that info wasn't known to the producers of the documentary, or it hadn't coalesced into anything like the major criminal scandal it is known to be now.

I did not see it from the beginning, I chanced upon it midway, but I am sure I saw the greater portion of it and did watch it to its conclusion.

It was clear to me that Trump should be charged and convicted of insurrection against the USA by virtue of the Big Lie and his orchestrating and deliberately doing nothing to defuse the deadly Jan. 6 attack designed to thwart constitutionally insured democratic norms with respect to change of presidency. If that happens he can never again hold public office. Edit: The GOP can say anything they want to say about that. Ironic fact is it's the best thing for EVERYBODY.

 

[Uhtrinity]

I totally agree.

I watched the long PBS Frontline doc a couple nights ago about events leading up to and following Jan. 6, 2021. It made no mention of Trump making off with highly sensitive documents that belonged to the USA and not himself. I suppose that info wasn't known to the producers of the documentary, or it hadn't coalesced into anything like the major criminal scandal it is known to be now.

I did not see it from the beginning, I chanced upon it midway, but I am sure I saw the greater portion of it and did watch it to its conclusion.

It was clear to me that Trump should be charged and convicted of insurrection against the USA by virtue of the Big Lie and his orchestrating and deliberately doing nothing to defuse the deadly Jan. 6 attack. If that happens he can never again hold public office. Edit: The GOP can say anything they want to say about that. Ironic fact is it's the best thing for EVERYBODY.

I think prosecuting him on stealing the documents and obstructing is super clear cut. Yeah, he's definitely guilty for Jan 6th, but that is also harder to prove. trump gave the DOJ this case on a silver platter. He still could be indicted and found guilty in multiple cases, at least we can dream for justice.

 

[trenchfoot]

If our system of justice keeps slogging along in direct opposition to the GOP and its controlling interests that are mounting an intense effort to permanently corrupt the nation into their oligarchic sphere of influence, there just may be an event horizon forming where the majority of the people of the nation are rising up against the push by the Repubs to rule the nation from a minority party status.

edit - The mid-terms are going to be a true indicator in this regard.

 

[hal2kilo]

If our system of justice keeps slogging along in direct opposition to the GOP and its controlling interests that are mounting an intense effort to permanently corrupt the nation into their oligarchic sphere of influence, there just may be an event horizon forming where the majority of the people of the nation are rising up against the push by the Repubs to rule the nation from a minority party status.

edit - The mid-terms are going to be a true indicator in this regard.

Referendum on Trump and the SCOTUS abortion decision. Dems need to pound the shit out of this.

 

[sportage]

edit - The mid-terms are going to be a true indicator in this regard.

As their history proves, when things go against Trump and his Trumpies out there, they just get meaner. And more angry. And more violent. And more nasty.

If the midterms go against all of these Trump endorsed candidates, and they all lose, Trump will only get worse, and the Trumpies will only get worse. If they lose, Donald Trump will be on the phone the very next day to every state and insisting that ballots be tossed. And the Trumpies will be gathering their troops and weapons to march wherever Donald Trump orders them to march.

Seriously, just imagine all of these Trump candidates losing to the democrat? You think Donald Trump will allow THAT to happen?

I was watching a show on PBS Frontline called Lie's, Politics and Democracy.
I never knew that whenever Donald Trump lost at something, lost at anything, he would call it a fraud, rigged, and stolen from him. And.... when Donald Trump's TV show lost an award that went to another TV show, Trump also call that loss as rigged, fraud, and stolen. And the same goes for when Ted Cruz won the 2016 Iowa primary and Donald Trump lost to Cruz. Then again, Donald Trump called that primary loss as rigged, stolen, and fraud.
Trump has pulled this crap throughout his entire life both before politics and and now after. This is his MO (means of operation).
WOW!!! And people can't see thru this? The people who vote for this guy?
How dumb is dumb?

 

[pete6032]

As their history proves, when things go against Trump and his Trumpies out there, they just get meaner. And more angry. And more violent. And more nasty.

If the midterms go against all of these Trump endorsed candidates, and they all lose, Trump will only get worse, and the Trumpies will only get worse. If they lose, Donald Trump will be on the phone the very next day to every state and insisting that ballots be tossed. And the Trumpies will be gathering their troops and weapons to march wherever Donald Trump orders them to march.

Seriously, just imagine all of these Trump candidates losing to the democrat? You think Donald Trump will allow THAT to happen?

I was watching a show on PBS Frontline called Lie's, Politics and Democracy.
I never knew that whenever Donald Trump lost at something, lost at anything, he would call it a fraud, rigged, and stolen from him. And.... when Donald Trump's TV show lost an award that went to another TV show, Trump also call that loss as rigged, fraud, and stolen. And the same goes for when Ted Cruz won the 2016 Iowa primary and Donald Trump lost to Cruz. Then again, Donald Trump called that primary loss as rigged, stolen, and fraud.
Trump has pulled this crap throughout his entire life both before politics and and now after. This is his MO (means of operation).
WOW!!! And people can't see thru this? The people who vote for this guy?
How dumb is dumb?

It's not about voting for Trump, it's about voting against progressive politics and against liberals. Trump is just the end product of this sentiment.

 

[zinfamous]

Referendum on Trump and the SCOTUS abortion decision. Dems need to pound the shit out of this.

If I were DNC, I would start pushing the very reasonable narrative, right now, that all you supporters have to do is show up and vote...and we have the power to push SCOTUS expansion, and fast track it.

Biden's got:

--biggest jobs program
--massive nationwide debt relief for 25-65 y'olds (yeah, I know you guys don't tend to believe this, but lots of boomers also have qualified student debt, lol)
--Medicare expansion
--Trump on his last piece of ball flesh, The rats absolutely devouring each other in public, and Shady just got to sit back and watch.

You want to make this shit happen right now, within 2 years, and keep pushing for more? Come out and turn these seats. Fix SCOTUS. Cut the balls off these terrorist fucking christonationalist pigs.

These pasties will absolutely start turning this country into the next Christi-phate if you give them only 4 more years, before it is inevitable.

 

[trenchfoot]

As their history proves, when things go against Trump and his Trumpies out there, they just get meaner. And more angry. And more violent. And more nasty.

If the midterms go against all of these Trump endorsed candidates, and they all lose, Trump will only get worse, and the Trumpies will only get worse. If they lose, Donald Trump will be on the phone the very next day to every state and insisting that ballots be tossed. And the Trumpies will be gathering their troops and weapons to march wherever Donald Trump orders them to march.

Seriously, just imagine all of these Trump candidates losing to the democrat? You think Donald Trump will allow THAT to happen?

I was watching a show on PBS Frontline called Lie's, Politics and Democracy.
I never knew that whenever Donald Trump lost at something, lost at anything, he would call it a fraud, rigged, and stolen from him. And.... when Donald Trump's TV show lost an award that went to another TV show, Trump also call that loss as rigged, fraud, and stolen. And the same goes for when Ted Cruz won the 2016 Iowa primary and Donald Trump lost to Cruz. Then again, Donald Trump called that primary loss as rigged, stolen, and fraud.
Trump has pulled this crap throughout his entire life both before politics and and now after. This is his MO (means of operation).
WOW!!! And people can't see thru this? The people who vote for this guy?
How dumb is dumb?

Trump is a fatally insecure man-child that defends his fragile insecurities with a shopping list of self-indulgent fantasies that transforms this pitiful narcissistic arrogant snob into a beloved world renown celebrity in his mind. To have him in that condition lead our nation once again when he has been repeatedly exposed for the dangers he put the nation in is unconscionable. Yet, rest assured, there will be millions who will want him back on board, a loose cannon on deck set to fire at the slightest hint of being provoked. But then that's what his supporters adore him for.

He is for all intent and purpose a coprolite that has somehow managed to reanimate itself.

 

[Muse]

I was watching a show on PBS Frontline called Lie's, Politics and Democracy.
I never knew that whenever Donald Trump lost at something, lost at anything, he would call it a fraud, rigged, and stolen from him. And.... when Donald Trump's TV show lost an award that went to another TV show, Trump also call that loss as rigged, fraud, and stolen. And the same goes for when Ted Cruz won the 2016 Iowa primary and Donald Trump lost to Cruz. Then again, Donald Trump called that primary loss as rigged, stolen, and fraud.
Trump has pulled this crap throughout his entire life both before politics and and now after. This is his MO (means of operation).
WOW!!! And people can't see thru this? The people who vote for this guy?
How dumb is dumb?

I tuned into that the other night, long documentary. I didn't catch the start, but watched must have been the last close to 2 hours. I missed the part where they show him calling everything a fraud where he didn't win. He's a serious case. How can people be so stupid as to vote for him or go to any of his rallies or listen to a god damn thing he says? I laughed at him summer of 2016, I have been revolted by him ever since.