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dawp

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
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It's been said that the reason Ford lost in 76 is because he pardoned Nixon which stoked the rage in the public and lead to Carter getting elected, if you think the same thing wont happen to Pence if he pardons trump after it's all said and done you are likely mistaken.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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I'd settle for a coupla years of Pence. He just can't manipulate the media, crazify the base & cow the GOP quite the way Trump can. He'd never win re-election.

How concerned are you regarding his obvious religious allegiance?
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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NY is one of the most corrupt self-serving state there is and Trump believe it or not is a perfect representation of that state, even though it's run by supposedly holier than though Democrats.

https://www.law.columbia.edu/media_inquiries/news_events/2014/december2014/moreland-commission



Marton said New York election law is so porous that many seemingly corrupt behaviors are not technically illegal. Because the New York state legislature is “part-time,” lawmakers are eligible to seek other sources of income and have wide latitude to manage their finances in ways Marton said are prone to abuse.

“We looked at things that were legal but shouldn’t be,” said Marton. “Actual criminal activity was the exception because the laws are very difficult to break.”
Janos Morton, former special counsel to
the Moreland Commission
The commission issued around 300 subpoenas, which ran into stonewalling from legislators who many speculated were planning to wait out the commission’s projected 18 to 24 month life span. The New York Times later reported that Cuomo’s office had interfered with the commission’s work, prompting a federal investigation from U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara ’93.

Wu said that public disgust with the system and the commission’s unceremonious end boosted his ultimately unsuccessful campaign.

“Getting involved with New York state politics, I felt I looked into the heart of darkness, far worse than I expected, and I’ve felt the chill ever since,” said Wu, the Isidor and Seville Sulzbacher Professor of Law.

Briffault agreed that the state of affairs is concerning.

“New York state continues to face very serious ethical and corruption challenges and there is not much reason to believe the government will reform itself,” Briffault said. “Any change will have to come from outside of Albany.”

Looks about right and that's a major example of why Cuomo should never be supported for national office. It's also incorrect to suggest Trump and Cuomo are alike. Trump is as dumb as a stump. Cuomo and others can run rings around him.
 

UglyCasanova

Lifer
Mar 25, 2001
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Funny people seemed to say the same about Hillary (that she could run rings around him) and yet look who’s in office.
 
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Funny people seemed to say the same about Hillary (that she could run rings around him) and yet look who’s in office.

Running against an opponent that is backed by foreign money (knowingly or unknowingly) which doesn’t need to play by any rules is tough to beat.
Who would have guessed that.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Running against an opponent that is backed by foreign money (knowingly or unknowingly) which doesn’t need to play by any rules is tough to beat.
Who would have guessed that.

He keeps conflating Federal and State offices and laws because he doesn't dare do otherwise.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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NY is one of the most corrupt self-serving state there is and Trump believe it or not is a perfect representation of that state, even though it's run by supposedly holier than though Democrats.

https://www.law.columbia.edu/media_inquiries/news_events/2014/december2014/moreland-commission



Marton said New York election law is so porous that many seemingly corrupt behaviors are not technically illegal. Because the New York state legislature is “part-time,” lawmakers are eligible to seek other sources of income and have wide latitude to manage their finances in ways Marton said are prone to abuse.

“We looked at things that were legal but shouldn’t be,” said Marton. “Actual criminal activity was the exception because the laws are very difficult to break.”
Janos Morton, former special counsel to
the Moreland Commission
The commission issued around 300 subpoenas, which ran into stonewalling from legislators who many speculated were planning to wait out the commission’s projected 18 to 24 month life span. The New York Times later reported that Cuomo’s office had interfered with the commission’s work, prompting a federal investigation from U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara ’93.

Wu said that public disgust with the system and the commission’s unceremonious end boosted his ultimately unsuccessful campaign.

“Getting involved with New York state politics, I felt I looked into the heart of darkness, far worse than I expected, and I’ve felt the chill ever since,” said Wu, the Isidor and Seville Sulzbacher Professor of Law.

Briffault agreed that the state of affairs is concerning.

“New York state continues to face very serious ethical and corruption challenges and there is not much reason to believe the government will reform itself,” Briffault said. “Any change will have to come from outside of Albany.”

Everyone knows NYS politics is super corrupt but that doesn’t necessarily matter here. What does matter is that it’s likely that prosecuting Trump and his family is in the best political interests of people in power here. What better way to raise your standing in a run for higher office in New York than putting the Trump family in prison?

Now it’s possible that doesn’t happen for a dozen different reasons but New York is in a unique position where Trump 1) likely has a lot of criminal exposure and 2) it is advantageous to those in power to go after it.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Everyone knows NYS politics is super corrupt but that doesn’t necessarily matter here. What does matter is that it’s likely that prosecuting Trump and his family is in the best political interests of people in power here. What better way to raise your standing in a run for higher office in New York than putting the Trump family in prison?

Now it’s possible that doesn’t happen for a dozen different reasons but New York is in a unique position where Trump 1) likely has a lot of criminal exposure and 2) it is advantageous to those in power to go after it.

I think some posters think Wyoming or West Virginia is like NY. There he may be a god, but here he's crap someone stepped into. If it weren't so he wouldn't already have his charity stripped from him and instead it would be circling up the wagons. I suppose it's understandable that most have no idea that "three men in a room" are the seat of political power here and don't give a shit, working with and against people who are an order of magnitude of higher in influence and power than Trump who is a naughty puppet of concern merely because of his potential for national disruption. Within NY borders the players in DC are of peripheral interest.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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For our international, especially EU members I suggest you think of NY as the welcoming nation and the politician on the sign as Trump. Everything else is pretty much the same, except Trump's EU counterpart actually has more influence in Scotland's affairs.

 

Hayabusa Rider

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I tend to agree. Evangelicals mindsets are often unnerving to me, being born and raised evangelical has that effect.

Having a check for the first time in what seems like eons is reassuring. Pence for all his, whatever he is, would recognize that there exists a political process outside himself and while I can't stand nor trust the man he wasn't born dumb as a rock and losing ground ever since.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Agreed. Whether he deserves to be in there or not is irrelevant. Presidents (or runners up)don’t go to jail. Talk of locking him (or her) up is just each side frothing at the mouth. It’s not gonna happen.

Edit: and I wish that weren’t the case, but it’s he reality.

Except you are inadvertently being part of the problem.

The greatest problem we have in people being held accountable is that people become jaded. You're saying get a grip on reality.

Well the reality was Trump was unelectable in a million years till people got jaded enough that they didn't show up to vote (which is pretty clear since Trump didn't overperform.. Hillary underperformed).

If we want accountability and justice, we have to push for it, not be jaded and not even try. If we try.. we can have everything we strive for.

And apparently the Trumptards and conservaterrorists tried harder than us. Do you see them stopping? Do you see them being jaded?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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He's fucking old... you act like any of that will ruin him or his family. He already has his money. He already has his assets, etc... Even if what you said were true (and his "reputation" were tarnished - as if it already wasn't yet he continues just fine) - it won't make a difference at this point in his life.

Who's saying that he gets to keep his mafioso assets? All that shit can be liquidated--considering that he stole $500 million from the IRS, that is currently known, I'm sure it doesn't stop there. If there is any justice in the world, this doesn't end until Trump, his seed, and all that follows from that shitty branch is impovershed for geenrations. Yeah, I'm not holding out hope of that, but I would like to see these current fucks tossed in the slammer and most of their property confiscated and turned into federally-protected land for wildlife, and maybe single mother housing developments and sanctuaries for immigrants.

That would be awesome.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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For our international, especially EU members I suggest you think of NY as the welcoming nation and the politician on the sign as Trump. Everything else is pretty much the same, except Trump's EU counterpart actually has more influence in Scotland's affairs.


Scotland also has that sign for Trump



oh shit, it's ISIS. lol, I honestly recall that being for Trump. whatever: same fucking thing.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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yeah, Falwell Jr might be even more of an irredeemable cvnt than his corpulent, self-hating, closeted father was. Sr. probably molested the fuck out of Jr, though, which explains a lot about Liberty University and the type of shits that are associated with that termite nest.

Meh. The Falwells just have a nice self perpetuating racket working with Liberty U. It's just a different kind of tax free inheritance.
 
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