I've heard/read conflicting stories with regard to "convicted felon" Some news sources say he is not a convicted felon until he is sentenced in Jul. Others are saying he is a convicted felon at the time the jury returned a guilty verdict. Which is true?So now that Trump is a convicted felon do you think it’s time for conservatives to admit that liberals were right about him all along?
I've heard/read conflicting stories with regard to "convicted felon" Some news sources say he is not a convicted felon until he is sentenced in Jul. Others are saying he is a convicted felon at the time the jury returned a guilty verdict. Which is true?
I don't know but to me that's a distinction without a difference.I've heard/read conflicting stories with regard to "convicted felon" Some news sources say he is not a convicted felon until he is sentenced in Jul. Others are saying he is a convicted felon at the time the jury returned a guilty verdict. Which is true?
Plenty of people rotting in prison right now for the very violent crime of smoking a blunt and spending a whole ass paycheck on del taco.I guess it's very unlikely he'll go to prison. I don't actually think he should, given the crime was non-violent. Add in the political complications and it surely is very unlikely he'll get a custodial sentence?
But is it possible he'll be sentenced to do community service? Picking up trash or something? Is there a swamp somewhere he could be ordered to drain?
A lot of the punditry seems to still be “nothing ever hurts Trump” which seems to ignore that he lost the last election. All the “My Republican friend who voted for Trump last time is really voting for him now again because of this” stuff is just partisan jerking off. There is little evidence that actual swing voters were looking for a candidate with a few dozen felony convictions under his belt.
It will be interesting to see the 'smart' pundits find ways to convince themselves that being convicted of 34 felonies will secretly help Trump.A lot of the punditry seems to still be “nothing ever hurts Trump” which seems to ignore that he lost the last election. All the “My Republican friend who voted for Trump last time is really voting for him now again because of this” stuff is just partisan jerking off. There is little evidence that actual swing voters were looking for a candidate with a few dozen felony convictions under his belt.
This is where there is a fundamental split between current Republican ideology and the American experiment. Trump has no peers. No one is fit to judge him. His supporters agree with him because they hold the same view of themselves. The various forms of racism, sexism, and other bigotry boil down to this. Republicans do not believe in democracy because they don't think people who aren't exactly like themselves are worthy of citizenship. Storming the capitol and all the voter suppression efforts are an extension of the Redemption movement of the Reconstruction era.I can't wait for some Trumpie friends of mine to start parroting the barrage of recriminations that FOX and all of those acolytes and psychofans of Trump's have been rapid firing out of their conservative media outlets. My answer to every one of those spiteful vapid accusations of theirs is that it was twelve people who listened to the evidence from the prosecutors and defense and made their decision based on what was revealed thereof. It wasn't Joe Biden that convicted Trump nor was it anyone else that convicted Trump except for the jurors at his trial.
It wasn't a broken system that convicted him nor was it a fixed kangaroo court. It was a dozen of Trump's peers that both the prosecutors and the defense approved of that decided his fate. To make anything more of that is disingenuous, emotionally misdirected and politically motivated malevolence.
We have a law against nearly everything or nebulous interpretations of laws that can be used to convict anyone.I think the US system is overly punitive in general, agreed, but to put it mildly if we are going to change that the last place to start is with the rich and powerful.
Or Trump is simply a crook who engaged in criminally fraudulent activity. Odd that a supposed law and order person such as yourself would suddenly discover flaws in the criminal justice system and develop a concern about the police state. Funny what happens when the gun is pointing at someone who looks uncomfortably like yourself.We have a law against nearly everything or nebulous interpretations of laws that can be used to convict anyone.
Mt favorite widely interpreted laws are "obstruction of justice" and "money laundering".
We live in a privacy free police state unfortunately.
Merchan would be a hero if he does this, but as I said, I don't expect it or any kind of demystification of the sentencing. Does a judge explain how he decided what the sentence is?This is the problem right here. Trump commits a lot of crimes and then treating him the same way our system would treat you or me is now some breakdown.
It’s not. Putting Trump in prison is a feature of a well run country, not a bug.
It's a truly sad day when you can't falsify business records to conceal illegal campaign contributions to pay off a porn star.We have a law against nearly everything or nebulous interpretations of laws that can be used to convict anyone.
Mt favorite widely interpreted laws are "obstruction of justice" and "money laundering".
We live in a privacy free police state unfortunately.
All the Republican lawmakers entreating Trump to drop out seen here:Hehe tumbleweed indeed
All The GOP Officials Telling Trump To Drop Out After His Felony Conviction
These are the Republican leaders standing up and putting country before party.www.huffpost.com
Who said anything about it being sad was Trump was convicted? Don't be a jackass. He is guilty.It's a truly sad day when you can't falsify business records to conceal illegal campaign contributions to pay off a porn star.
Are you saying that should be legal or that we simply shouldn't prosecute people for it?
So we agree that Trump should have been tried and convicted, correct?Who said anything about it being sad was Trump was convicted? Don't be a jackass.
What I said was true.
We have a law against nearly everything or nebulous interpretations of laws that can be used to convict anyone.
Mt favorite widely interpreted laws are "obstruction of justice" and "money laundering".
We live in a privacy free police state unfortunately.
It's totally true. He made a huge error when he decided to suppress Daniels' potential allegations before the 2016 election. He could have just said she was lying, going for a book deal and such and most of his supporters wouldn't have jumped off the tram. Instead he created a mine field for himself. On top of that, it appears to me that what got him was his means of reimbursing Cohen. Why oh why did he try to use campaign finance money to do that? Why didn't he just give Cohen a $130,000 bonus and say "good boy!?" Maybe there's a reason, but I don't know of any. He got tangled in his own web.This might have been said before, but there's one thing I think is a bit weird, perhaps even ironic is this:
Trump's presidential platform right from the start (2016), summarised in one image was this:
He said the shit that all the bigots wanted him to say. Basically every kind of dirt that every Presidential candidate would dread came up and he must have expected this to happen, and ordinarily any one of these bits of dirt would have sunk a campaign but not his because his supporters hoped he would lead like the song he had sung to them which no-one else dared to. A dream come true.
In that setting, why bother going out of his way to keep Daniels quiet at all? Just declare it fake news and that's all his fanatics would need, which (aside from the illegal stuff) is exactly what happened. If his potential audience generally believed and took issue with just one shred of the dirt against him (or considered the sheer amount of dirt against him adding up to "where there's smoke there's fire"), he was sunk. If his affair with Daniels was the only bit of dirt then trying to keep it quiet would make sense.
I realise that this argument is easy to make in hindsight but it's also logically true. He's had multiple affairs, multiple marriages, multiple shady business practices, multiple failed businesses, multiple lawsuits, he likes to peep in girls' locker rooms, he has a very ambiguous relationship with his daughter... the list goes on.
My conclusion is that a man like Trump enjoys the use and abuse of power, so even though the hush payment to Daniels was logically unnecessary, the idea that he can control people and so get away with shit is something that satisfies his ego. On the other hand, declaring Daniels to be fake news must surely also be a similarly enjoyable abuse of power and it's not even illegal, but perhaps there's less of a kick out of it because it's legal.
Found the money launderer.We have a law against nearly everything or nebulous interpretations of laws that can be used to convict anyone.
Mt favorite widely interpreted laws are "obstruction of justice" and "money laundering".
We live in a privacy free police state unfortunately.