Trump NY Criminal Trial

[WelshBloke]

Seriously. One of the dumbest things Trump has ever said, and Trump has said a lot of dumb things.

I'm going to dispute this!
I'm not actually going to look up a list of dumb things that Trump has said (at my age I need to protect all the brain cells I have left) but I'm pretty sure that he'll have said dumber things!

My reasoning? Well Trump!

 

[pcgeek11]

Heavy metals in breast implants? Link? I know for a fact that a gas generator to eject a missile from a launch tube has over 20 pounds of lead in it. Why? I suspect it provides a faster way for the heat generated to be transferred to the water in the eject pipe to flash instantly to steam, but that's just a guess.

Yes, and I spent many many hours cleaning those damn gas generator metering standpipes using trichlorethane getting them ready for reuse.

Surprised I don't have cancer yet ...

 

[pcgeek11]

Riiiight...so a person taking a settlement instead of a possibly years long (expensive) legal battle + trauma from having to relive it throughout the trial + possible online/real harassment from despicables = she's only in it for the money...?

I really don't know whether he actually did it, but her taking a settlement doesn't mean she's in it just for money.

Could be that too, I'll admit I only read what you posted. The statement also makes sense if there was a counter suit that was agreed to be dropped.

Yes. Yes it does.

From the posted article I linked earlier:

"All of the parties said in a joint statement that the resolution does not involve the payment of any money "by anyone or anything else.""

 

[thilanliyan]

There was no settlement according to their released statements.

As I stated before:
I would say it was most likely the counter suit against her and her lawyer....

You basically said that IF there was a settlement, it is "showing her real colors".
What did you mean by that? (maybe I misunderstood)

I'm not disputing whether there was or wasn't a settlement.

 

[pcgeek11]

You basically said that IF there was a settlement, it is "showing her real colors".
What did you mean by that? (maybe I misunderstood)

I'm not disputing whether there was or wasn't a settlement.

Sometimes people lie to "protect" their reputation, Hers, His and her lawyer.
Granted like you I don't know if they did or not. I am only going by the given statements in the linked article.

I only meant that if she did take a payoff it makes her initial motive suspect IMO.

 

[Amused]

I never said that Windmills did. I said it was a stupid statement.

I am now duly chastised for thinking "Oil Cancer" was a silly statement by Biden.

Cancer Incidence and Mortality among Petroleum Industry Workers and Residents Living in Oil Producing Communities: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis

Petroleum extraction and refining are major sources of various occupational exposures and of air pollution and may therefore contribute to the global cancer burden. This systematic review and meta-analysis is aimed at evaluating the cancer risk in petroleum-exposed ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

US oil refineries spewing cancer-causing benzene into communities, report finds

Analysis shows alarming level of benzene at fence-line of facilities in Texas, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, Indiana and US Virgin Islands

www.theguardian.com

Proximity to Oil Refineries and Risk of Cancer: A Population-Based Analysis

The association between proximity to oil refineries and cancer rate is largely unknown. We sought to compare the rate of cancer (bladder, breast, colon, lung, lymphoma, and prostate) according to proximity to an oil refinery in Texas.A total of 6 302 265 ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Just shut the fuck up already.

It's a well known fact that people in close proximity to refineries have higher incidences of cancer. We even know the exact cause and mechanism.

And it was MUCH WORSE during Biden's childhood before EPA regulation.

 

[thilanliyan]

Sometimes people lie to "protect" their reputation, Hers, His and her lawyer.
Granted like you I don't know if they did or not. I am only going by the given statements in the linked article.

I only meant that if she did take a payoff it makes her initial motive suspect IMO.

Your statement about taking a "payoff" is what I disagree with. Most of the time the GUILTY party (in this case the accused Dershowitz) pays off the victim to not have to admit blame, and the victim takes the money because a trial is a long drawn out process especially against powerful/well connected people. Her taking a settlement doesn't make her initial motive suspect.

Would you use the same logic to say states are only after a payoff because a pharma company decided to settle (e.g. Purdue)?

 

[APU_Fusion]

You can’t be this stupid, right?

He is. Pcgeek is a rather obvious magat who is desperately trying not to have his world crumble as the worship of the lying, rapist, insurrectionist conman crumbles beneath that pesky thing called “reality”. Pcgeek is the perfect example of why Trump loves stupid people.

 

[akugami]

I'm going to dispute this!
I'm not actually going to look up a list of dumb things that Trump has said (at my age I need to protect all the brain cells I have left) but I'm pretty sure that he'll have said dumber things!

My reasoning? Well Trump!

Well...not here to argue how stupid Trump is. That's like trying to argue with your spouse that the house is only flood with 2 feet of water and not 3 feet of water, after you messed up trying to fix the kitchen sink. It's still flooded. Trump is still a moron.

 

[Thump553]

Yes, and I spent many many hours cleaning those damn gas generator metering standpipes using trichlorethane getting them ready for reuse.

Surprised I don't have cancer yet ...

Considering the EPA has determined that trichlorethane is (also) a cancerogene I would agree that you were damn lucky. BTW back in the era you were here damn near every car rusted out fast, not just Toyotas. We used tons more salt on the roads then and fenders then were made of steel not plastic.

 

[WelshBloke]

Surprised I don't have cancer yet ...

All differences in politics aside, I absolutely hope you stay cancer free.

Fuck cancer.

 

[fskimospy]

Considering the EPA has determined that trichlorethane is (also) a cancerogene I would agree that you were damn lucky. BTW back in the era you were here damn near every car rusted out fast, not just Toyotas. We used tons more salt on the roads then and fenders then were made of steel not plastic.

IMO the real scary shit on the shit was OTTO-2 fuel. Read up on that - it’s awful.

 

[brycejones]

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Yes, and I spent many many hours cleaning those damn gas generator metering standpipes using trichlorethane getting them ready for reuse.

Surprised I don't have cancer yet ...

Just fucking wait. My father has a pending pact act claim due to illnesses from that shit. He used to wash his hands with that shit after cleaning flight simulator parts with it.

 

[pcgeek11]

Your statement about taking a "payoff" is what I disagree with. Most of the time the GUILTY party (in this case the accused Dershowitz) pays off the victim to not have to admit blame, and the victim takes the money because a trial is a long drawn out process especially against powerful/well connected people. Her taking a settlement doesn't make her initial motive suspect.

Would you use the same logic to say states are only after a payoff because a pharma company decided to settle (e.g. Purdue)?

I can only state what I think. Here is where I stand on this particular subject.

If I had been taken advantage of while underage and felt like I was sexually abused as has been accused. I would want the offenders to be charged and held accountable and outed as per the law. Period I think selling out your personal beliefs for money is just another form of prostitution.

The people involved specifically stated that there was NO Settlement paid to anyone. I have no reason to doubt that. Do you?

That being said, I am not trying to change your opinion on this matter. You are entitled to believe whatever you like.

As for pharmaceutical companies and States, that is an entirely different matter IMO.

 

[Moonbeam]

The only thing I saw that you listed was this:


lets say that they were notified. There are still many avenues for an appeal.

In my opinion and in the opinion of many legal experts. I know you don't like the legal experts that disagree with you.

I don’t care if they disagree with me, I am saying their reasoning is bad and sloppy, as shown by their basic factual errors.

If they can’t get the basic facts right surely you are now wondering what else they got wrong, correct?

Dear @pcGeek 11, Something strange happened to me as a child. My Mother told me to be honest and for some unknown reason I took that as a foundational principle. What I discovered as a result was that everything I had been taught was the truth were actually lies and by the time I was seven or eight I realized that people were actually insane, that unlike me, everything they believed were nothing but lies. Well by the time of my sophomore year in high school I began a rigorous search to prove that what honest me believed the truth to be was the actual truth. So I began to search and read a great deal of philosophy and religion, all kinds of proof there is an ultimate truth and found it all to be just more lies, people believing and proving what they just happened to believe.

In the process, of course, I couldn't help but notice that all these various authorities had different kings of motivations, some of them profoundly optimistic and others financial, seekers of power, influence, flattery, acceptance, financial reward etc.

The long and the short of all this is to tell you that I am not a person who is automatically impressed by titled authorities, you get more truth often out of the mouths of babies. For me the so called wise men are often the world's biggest fools. I am not a believer.

What I believe is that anytime there is money to be made or influence to be had by pandering to this or that ism like religious or political belief, etc. you will find people who make it their business to credential themselves with a wall full of certificates of achievements indicating their mastery at this or that. It's a great way to make a living in a capitalist system full of robots that were never trained to think for themselves honestly.

And it isn't that nobody is ever honest about anything, that there are not honest people who have genuine authority, it's a matter of perceived motivation. It's that in a world full of people struggling to make a living, in a world full of emotional neediness, in a world full of those willing to lie for a buck, in a world where the dispensation of propaganda is a major is a major revenue source, in a world where critical thinking can destroy the bottom line, there are tremendous incentives to insure tremendous numbers of gullible believers.

A question was put to you by fskimospy whether you take the word of authorities who have been demonstrated to state as fact things that are not true.

Since I was a small boy who had many arguments with his Dad and was told a thousand times, "A fool convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.", how do you plead?

I believe through my own loss of everything I held as sacred, that there is a particular king of goodism that gives life meaning, and that the shore you wind up on after such a shipwreck is not the one imagined and feared as chaos and hell, but the Garden of Eden and one dead snake that can never to return the same way again. There is a truth and it is not an ism but a mystical state of awareness. I use the world mystical to imply no words or thinking can get you there. It is when the ego is not.

You fight hard because instinctively you know that truth exists. I agree. I just don't think it's what we were conditioned to believe it to be. There is only love. Things taken as good and evil disappear when truth is directly experienced. We are like fish looking everywhere to prove the existence of water. We swim in a sea of truth not recognizing it as our own being, looking for answers to questions that do not exist. Love to you.

 

[pcgeek11]

IMO the real scary shit on the shit was OTTO-2 fuel. Read up on that - it’s awful.

I worked around that shit too back in the mid 1970's when the Mark 48 Torpedos came out into the fleet.

 

[pcgeek11]

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Just fucking wait. My father has a pending pact act claim due to illnesses from that shit. He used to wash his hands with that shit after cleaning flight simulator parts with it.

We had a huge vat of it where we would place the standpipe and scrub them down to remove the burned rocket propellant residue off by hand with stiff brushes, no gloves either. We were practically bathing in it.

 

[fskimospy]

I worked around that shit too back in the mid 1970's when the Mark 48 Torpedos came out into the fleet.

‘If you touch it you will die’ is pretty gnarly.

 

[Moonbeam]

I can only state what I think. Here is where I stand on this particular subject.

If I had been taken advantage of while underage and felt like I was sexually abused as has been accused. I would want the offenders to be charged and held accountable and outed as per the law. Period I think selling out your personal beliefs for money is just another form of prostitution.

The people involved specifically stated that there was NO Settlement paid to anyone. I have no reason to doubt that. Do you?

That being said, I am not trying to change your opinion on this matter. You are entitled to believe whatever you like.

As for pharmaceutical companies and States, that is an entirely different matter IMO.

It is at points like this I ask myself what is common sense. Do I live in a world where legal liabilities are bought off in the presence of great power differences and wealth between parties. I believe I do. Therefore, in addition to knowing I hold no facts that would support the notion of the existence of a payoff, I see no reason to think one wasn't made and with the proviso that it be denied has having taken place by both parties. Leaning is either direction of belief or denial strikes me as motivational.

Personally, I would not trust Dershowitz any farther than I can throw him because he desplays, in my opinion, a very bad case of victim mentality. "Everybody, especially liberals which I claim to be, are just so mean to me. I get such a bad rap and am so misunderstood." Right! An other entitled baby, and not in the good way.

 

[pcgeek11]

‘If you touch it you will die’ is pretty gnarly.

I wouldn't go as far as saying "if you touch it you will die". I have touched it and I'm near 70 years old and not dead that I know of...
It smells really sweet and is oily feeling. I did have bad headaches from smelling it.

We had extensive training on what to do in the event of a spill etc. The reason they were already fully fueled when loaded onboard was how nasty OTTO Fuel is.

 

[fskimospy]

I wouldn't go as far as saying "if you touch it you will die". I have touched it and I'm near 70 years old and not dead that I know of...
It smells really sweet and is oily feeling. I did have bad headaches from smelling it.

We had extensive training on what to do in the event of a spill etc. The reason they were already fully fueled when loaded onboard was how nasty OTTO Fuel is.

You’re right, that’s extreme, but OTTO is very, very bad for your personal health.

 

[Moonbeam]

All differences in politics aside, I absolutely hope you stay cancer free.

Fuck cancer.

A while back I spent some time is Wales. Thanks for reminding me of the beauty I saw there,

 

[WelshBloke]

A while back I spent some time is Wales. Thanks for reminding me of the beauty I saw there,

Whereabouts did you visit?

 

[Thump553]

IMO the real scary shit on the shit was OTTO-2 fuel. Read up on that - it’s awful.

One more reason to be relieved had an extremely high draft number and ended up going to law school instead of Nam. Didn't even need to have a billionaire daddy/pet doctor/bone spurs either.

 

[zinfamous]

Yes, they are both stupid statements.

ah, so you were huffing the diesel AND swallowing it. Got it.