Trump NY Criminal Trial

Page 54 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Amused

Elite Member
Apr 14, 2001
55,981
14,467
146
I wouldn't go as far as saying "if you touch it you will die". I have touched it and I'm near 70 years old and not dead that I know of...
It smells really sweet and is oily feeling. I did have bad headaches from smelling it.

We had extensive training on what to do in the event of a spill etc. The reason they were already fully fueled when loaded onboard was how nasty OTTO Fuel is.

You remind me of the smoker who claims because not EVERY smoker gets cancer, smoking doesn't cause cancer.

For fucks sake man. Exposure to oil, and chemicals related to it's refinement greatly increases the risk of cancer. This, JUST LIKE SMOKING, isn't even up for debate anymore.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
14,514
12,632
146
I wouldn't go as far as saying "if you touch it you will die". I have touched it and I'm near 70 years old and not dead that I know of...
It smells really sweet and is oily feeling. I did have bad headaches from smelling it.

We had extensive training on what to do in the event of a spill etc. The reason they were already fully fueled when loaded onboard was how nasty OTTO Fuel is.
While the internet does provide a certain amount of anonymity and an expectation of crassness, I'm trying not to be too blunt when I state you may have actually suffered some brain damage from that, and may potentially have cancer in your future. Frankly you're lucky to have not had it already.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,308
15,102
136
I can only state what I think. Here is where I stand on this particular subject.

If I had been taken advantage of while underage and felt like I was sexually abused as has been accused. I would want the offenders to be charged and held accountable and outed as per the law. Period I think selling out your personal beliefs for money is just another form of prostitution.

The people involved specifically stated that there was NO Settlement paid to anyone. I have no reason to doubt that. Do you?

That being said, I am not trying to change your opinion on this matter. You are entitled to believe whatever you like.

As for pharmaceutical companies and States, that is an entirely different matter IMO.

Are you say this knowing that our justice system works really well for the rich and powerful or because you are ignoring reality?
 

Pens1566

Lifer
Oct 11, 2005
11,764
8,309
136
So do you not think there is room for an appeal?

They can appeal based on many things. None of them seem even remotely legitimate, and Merchan is widely considered a very cautious/careful judge.

Having said that, I do believe the appeals will drag out long enough that this all becomes essentially meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
 
Reactions: Zorba

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
21,490
4,587
136
You remind me of the smoker who claims because not EVERY smoker gets cancer, smoking doesn't cause cancer.

For fucks sake man. Exposure to oil, and chemicals related to it's refinement greatly increases the risk of cancer. This, JUST LIKE SMOKING, isn't even up for debate anymore.

I'm not sure where you are getting off, but if my post bothers you so much please quit reading them. It would be refreshing for both of us I'm sure.

I was only relating my own personal experiences with the chemicals, fuels etc that were brought up and how lucky I have been. I never claimed that they wouldn't or couldn't cause cancer.
 
Reactions: iRONic

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
21,490
4,587
136
Are you say this knowing that our justice system works really well for the rich and powerful or because you are ignoring reality?

I realize that our justice system works really well for the rich and powerful, everyone with a brain cell knows that. I just wouldn't sell out my beliefs and morals for a payoff.

Would you?
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
72,644
6,190
126
I can only state what I think. Here is where I stand on this particular subject.

If I had been taken advantage of while underage and felt like I was sexually abused as has been accused. I would want the offenders to be charged and held accountable and outed as per the law. Period I think selling out your personal beliefs for money is just another form of prostitution.

The people involved specifically stated that there was NO Settlement paid to anyone. I have no reason to doubt that. Do you?

That being said, I am not trying to change your opinion on this matter. You are entitled to believe whatever you like.

As for pharmaceutical companies and States, that is an entirely different matter IMO.
I regard this as a highly moral position. I ask myself, as I share your opinion, what I would do were any attempt to acquire legal remedy fail to achieve results. Imagine you are financially, racially, and gender disadvantaged as per our cultural history and had a lived experience of your odds. Would you really blame such a person for settling for less than full price? Would your moral insistence on real accountability lead you to take justice into your own hands?

I ask because as a person made consciously aware of my own self hate I am constantly dealing with the feelings regarding the desire for revenge and the challenging difficulty of forgiveness. Had someone sexually assaulted me as a child and I remained consciously aware of it, my feeling is that I would want to take justice into my own hands and not doing so would be a struggle.
 
Reactions: thilanliyan

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,308
15,102
136
I realize that our justice system works really well for the rich and powerful, everyone with a brain cell knows that. I just wouldn't sell out my beliefs and morals for a payoff.

Would you?

If I knew Justice was unlikely to be served? Most definitely! If I’m not going to win through our legal system then I’m going to make you pay me as much as possible! My morals and principals aren’t compromised just because I won’t get justice. That’s some boot licking level mentality right there! ‘Welp! The guy who committed an illegal act against me will never be punished, I guess I’ll just shut up and go away and let the perp live in peace’

Yeah no thanks!
 
Reactions: thilanliyan

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
63,302
11,670
136
If I knew Justice was unlikely to be served? Most definitely! If I’m not going to win through our legal system then I’m going to make you pay me as much as possible! My morals and principals aren’t compromised just because I won’t get justice. That’s some boot licking level mentality right there! ‘Welp! The guy who committed an illegal act against me will never be punished, I guess I’ll just shut up and go away and let the perp live in peace’

Yeah no thanks!
Too many fairly easy ways to make someone just disappear without leaving any trace.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
14,786
10,210
136
I realize that our justice system works really well for the rich and powerful, everyone with a brain cell knows that. I just wouldn't sell out my beliefs and morals for a payoff.

Would you?
For most civil cases a payout is pretty much they only justice someone can get.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
72,644
6,190
126
I realize that our justice system works really well for the rich and powerful, everyone with a brain cell knows that. I just wouldn't sell out my beliefs and morals for a payoff.

Would you?
A virtuous person will not compromise on principles that involve self respect
If I knew Justice was unlikely to be served? Most definitely! If I’m not going to win through our legal system then I’m going to make you pay me as much as possible! My morals and principals aren’t compromised just because I won’t get justice. That’s some boot licking level mentality right there! ‘Welp! The guy who committed an illegal act against me will never be punished, I guess I’ll just shut up and go away and let the perp live in peace’

Yeah no thanks!
A person who will not compromise of absolute justice over nothing at all lacks self respect.
Too many fairly easy ways to make someone just disappear without leaving any trace.
Sounds like self respect can be had by making the offender disappear.
For most civil cases a payout is pretty much they only justice someone can get.
Principled stances require a situation in which the principle actually applies.
===========

Seems like the obvious answer is to take the payoff and hire a hit man, possibly yourself.
 

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
11,306
2,337
136
They can appeal based on many things. None of them seem even remotely legitimate, and Merchan is widely considered a very cautious/careful judge.

Having said that, I do believe the appeals will drag out long enough that this all becomes essentially meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Absolutely, I feel strongly that it isn't hyperbole to say this is the most important election of our lifetime. I'm not a historian, and I don't know which previous election had the consequences we're facing. (In 2016, a lot of us knew plenty about Trump's character already, but many wouldn't predict some of his depravity). As it turns out, 2000 had massive knock-on effects but mainly in the area of the neocons fucking the world with an illegal war (is it crazy that the Great Recession was only the 2nd worst legacy of Dubya's two terms?).
 

QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
22,447
768
126
I’m down with a Big Mac taking him out while his appeal happens

I want to see him go to jail, or preferably prison. I think how strongly I want to see him locked up is borderline unhealthy lol. I'm pretty neutral, even when it comes to people I don't particularly like. But Trump mixed with his followers activate something inside of me that nobody else does. Seeing Trump behind bars and listening to his cult cry over it would be music to my ears.

Also if he was locked up and unable to eat Big Macs, I think he might hang himself after just a few days.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,613
49,176
136
For most civil cases a payout is pretty much they only justice someone can get.
Yes exactly - the deal is usually very straightforward:

‘I will use my vast power and resources to subject you to ruinously expensive litigation while simultaneously destroying your life and reputation OR you can take this generous settlement today’.

It’s not a sign of poor morals to take that deal, it’s an acknowledgement of how the world works.
 

iRONic

Diamond Member
Jan 28, 2006
7,094
2,404
136
I'm pretty neutral, even when it comes to people I don't particularly like. But Trump mixed with his followers activate something inside of me that nobody else does.
So much this!

It's been hard for me to articulate that very same thing. Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way. Thank you!
 
Reactions: QueBert

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
14,786
10,210
136
Yes exactly - the deal is usually very straightforward:

‘I will use my vast power and resources to subject you to ruinously expensive litigation while simultaneously destroying your life and reputation OR you can take this generous settlement today’.

It’s not a sign of poor morals to take that deal, it’s an acknowledgement of how the world works.
I agree, but I really meant even if you win a civil case in court the net result is almost always just a financial payout.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
72,644
6,190
126
I want to see him go to jail, or preferably prison. I think how strongly I want to see him locked up is borderline unhealthy lol. I'm pretty neutral, even when it comes to people I don't particularly like. But Trump mixed with his followers activate something inside of me that nobody else does. Seeing Trump behind bars and listening to his cult cry over it would be music to my ears.

Also if he was locked up and unable to eat Big Macs, I think he might hang himself after just a few days.
It's criminal thinking like this that has resulted in the massive crime wave we see destroying America today. Everybody knows this. Shame on your fascist thinking and your victim mentality. You're attacking the greatest President the country has ever seen. You're a disgrace. And besides, a nobody like you can't do anything about it. Truth hurts, doesn't it.
 

Stokely

Golden Member
Jun 5, 2017
1,767
2,312
136
So much this!

It's been hard for me to articulate that very same thing. Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way. Thank you!

Not hard for me to articulate. Trump brings the inner racist asshole bully out of people that normally try to hide that sort of thing. He doesn't try to hide it, and they feel safe and secure to let it all out. Dude is basically a therapist to 1/3 of this country.

It does have one good thing about it, lets you know who to avoid. Maga hat coming, just stay the fuck away.

I'm already dreading my gigs near the election. We play classic rock, our audience is normally not loud about politics but I expect that to possibly stop as everyone gets revved up. If I had to guess, they are quite the Trump-leaning group, though you never know (I certainly blend in and might be mistaken for a Trumper, I even have a goatee! ) And getting into pissing matches down here is unwise, you are likely to get shot in "self defense". Just going to keep my head down, and noise-cancelling earbuds in when I head to my car to spend set breaks....
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,613
49,176
136
Not hard for me to articulate. Trump brings the inner racist asshole bully out of people that normally try to hide that sort of thing. He doesn't try to hide it, and they feel safe and secure to let it all out. Dude is basically a therapist to 1/3 of this country.

It does have one good thing about it, lets you know who to avoid. Maga hat coming, just stay the fuck away.

I'm already dreading my gigs near the election. We play classic rock, our audience is normally not loud about politics but I expect that to possibly stop as everyone gets revved up. If I had to guess, they are quite the Trump-leaning group, though you never know (I certainly blend in and might be mistaken for a Trumper, I even have a goatee! ) And getting into pissing matches down here is unwise, you are likely to get shot in "self defense". Just going to keep my head down, and noise-cancelling earbuds in when I head to my car to spend set breaks....
Someone said this a while back and I think it’s right. Trump gives people permission to be their worst selves and so people who have been hiding this their whole lives feel liberated.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
11,762
906
126
Someone said this a while back and I think it’s right. Trump gives people permission to be their worst selves and so people who have been hiding this their whole lives feel liberated.
"Finally I won't be cancelled for being politically incorrect."

Though I don't think it was Trump, I think Trump was feeding off it too. It seems social media allowed these people to gather and fester and they felt like there were more of them. The closed ecosystem of right wing media gave them encouragement and they were set free upon the world. While previously they might have only known a few guys from HS they could share these feeling with now there were millions across the country.
 
Reactions: dank69

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
72,644
6,190
126
Someone said this a while back and I think it’s right. Trump gives people permission to be their worst selves and so people who have been hiding this their whole lives feel liberated.
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/on-creating-what-we-fear.2613428/ Post 1 Someone else may have said it too, I don't know.

It is part of the paradox created by self hate, now the purpose of the manifestation of narcissism is based on feelings of inferiority and how the repression required to hide those feeling makes them leak out in actual bad behavior. The worse the case the greater the attraction to any who will affirm as positive what we hate about ourselves.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
72,644
6,190
126
"Finally I won't be cancelled for being politically incorrect."

Though I don't think it was Trump, I think Trump was feeding off it too. It seems social media allowed these people to gather and fester and they felt like there were more of them. The closed ecosystem of right wing media gave them encouragement and they were set free upon the world. While previously they might have only known a few guys from HS they could share these feeling with now there were millions across the country.
I disagree to some extent. While Trump could have never happened in a successfully socialistic country where people buy in to their shared system of equality and democratic choice, he has unique qualities that make him a perfect exemplar for cult worship:

The author however makes one mistake in my opinion, attributing a sort of tabula rasa to childrens morality. He states that children need to be nutured to express higher morality but I think that is wrong. What children need in my opinion is freedom from being turned against the infinite potential they were born with and which would flower naturally absent being shit on. We created God in the image of what we can become.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |