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BoomerD

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I'm still amazed by how many right-leaning people believe the NY charges that led to Trump's 34 felony convictions were not real charges and should never have been brought.
 

APU_Fusion

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I'm still amazed by how many right-leaning people believe the NY charges that led to Trump's 34 felony convictions were not real charges and should never have been brought.
12 hours a day of a lying news channel telling you your fears, racism, ignorance and hatred are well founded because the others are out to get you combined with a dumb population = your post
 
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I'm still amazed by how many right-leaning people believe the NY charges that led to Trump's 34 felony convictions were not real charges and should never have been brought.
Just a little bit of business fraud is fine apparently. What's a little cooking the books amongst friends?

Maybe many conservative "small business" owners are doing similar things: paying for personal stuff under the guise of business expenses.
 

BoomerD

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Just a little bit of business fraud is fine apparently. What's a little cooking the books amongst friends?

Maybe many conservative "small business" owners are doing similar things: paying for personal stuff under the guise of business expenses.

Boomer thinks the charges in NY were legit - and I bet he can't articulate the crime.
I are not a lawyer, but apparently there was some fraudulent business paperwork
The paperwork was legit. He paid his lawyer to do a thing. A legal thing. There's nothing illegal about an NDA.
Also he's not the one who registered the payments into accounting. That would be his accountant. Who also did nothing wrong.

...intended to hide his payoff to the porn star
This is not illegal...

...and intended to keep it out of the news pre-election. (which makes it an campaign issue? )
Also, per the FEC, not illegal. Although the FEC was not allowed to testify to that fact. Why is that?

Like I said, NOT a lawyer...but it passed the smell test to the DA, the judge, and to the jury.
A jury that was nearly hand selected by the judge who automatically deleted anyone from a class of citizens he felt might not hate Trump.
A DA who campaigned on nailing Trump with anything.
A judge who repeatedly broke NY state trial regulations, allowed irrelevant testimony from witnesses who had nothing to do with the alleged crime, and disallowed ANY testimony that might be exculpatory to the defendant.

The other part you're missing is the statute of limitations had long expired.
For the first time ever, the jury didn't have to be unanimous in its guilty findings.
For the first time ever, a state tied the felony accelerator to anything the jury wanted. (none of which were actually crimes)

If you REALLY believe this was all legitimate... wow.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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The paperwork was legit. He paid his lawyer to do a thing. A legal thing. There's nothing illegal about an NDA.
Also he's not the one who registered the payments into accounting. That would be his accountant. Who also did nothing wrong.
Using campaign funds for personal use is prohibited.
Not a not of ambiguity there.
 

zinfamous

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The paperwork was legit. He paid his lawyer to do a thing. A legal thing. There's nothing illegal about an NDA.
Also he's not the one who registered the payments into accounting. That would be his accountant. Who also did nothing wrong.


This is not illegal...


Also, per the FEC, not illegal. Although the FEC was not allowed to testify to that fact. Why is that?


A jury that was nearly hand selected by the judge who automatically deleted anyone from a class of citizens he felt might not hate Trump.
A DA who campaigned on nailing Trump with anything.
A judge who repeatedly broke NY state trial regulations, allowed irrelevant testimony from witnesses who had nothing to do with the alleged crime, and disallowed ANY testimony that might be exculpatory to the defendant.

The other part you're missing is the statute of limitations had long expired.
For the first time ever, the jury didn't have to be unanimous in its guilty findings.
For the first time ever, a state tied the felony accelerator to anything the jury wanted. (none of which were actually crimes)

If you REALLY believe this was all legitimate... wow.

Oh Boomer, you sweet summer child....
 

QueBert

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I'm still amazed by how many right-leaning people believe the NY charges that led to Trump's 34 felony convictions were not real charges and should never have been brought.
And those same people are adamant that Hunter go to prison for the gun thing. Even tho any other American wouldn't have even gone to trial for the same thing. I'm not saying Hunter didn't break a law, but he didn't do a trial worthy thing. It's easy to argue that Hunters case should have been him in front of a judge on a random morning. And it would have lasted all of 30 seconds. One leaning moron also told me Jill Biden belongs behind bars, that same person thinks all of Trump's legal problems are political based and Trump should have no charges.

I asked what did Jill do and got no reply. Hunter did do something, even if it was very petty and should have been dismissed. Joe hasn't done anything the GOP can pin to him, so he's innocent as far as I'm concerned. Jill? I hadn't even heard a rumor of something she'd done. Apparently just being married to Joe is enough.
 
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BoomerD

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And those same people are adamant that Hunter go to prison for the gun thing. Even tho any other American wouldn't have even gone to trial for the same thing. I'm not saying Hunter didn't break a law, but he didn't do a trial worthy thing. It's easy to argue that Hunters case should have been him in front of a judge on a random morning. And it would have lasted all of 30 seconds. One leaning moron also told me Jill Biden belongs behind bars, that same person thinks all of Trump's legal problems are political based and Trump should have no charges.

I asked what did Jill do and got no reply. Hunter did do something, even if it was very petty and should have been dismissed. Joe hasn't done anything the GOP can pin to him, so he's innocent as far as I'm concerned. Jill? I hadn't even heard a rumor of something she'd done. Apparently just being married to Joe is enough.
Most gun nuts think Hunter should get off for that charge. They want to see the gun laws re-written.
 

hal2kilo

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And those same people are adamant that Hunter go to prison for the gun thing. Even tho any other American wouldn't have even gone to trial for the same thing. I'm not saying Hunter didn't break a law, but he didn't do a trial worthy thing. It's easy to argue that Hunters case should have been him in front of a judge on a random morning. And it would have lasted all of 30 seconds. One leaning moron also told me Jill Biden belongs behind bars, that same person thinks all of Trump's legal problems are political based and Trump should have no charges.

I asked what did Jill do and got no reply. Hunter did do something, even if it was very petty and should have been dismissed. Joe hasn't done anything the GOP can pin to him, so he's innocent as far as I'm concerned. Jill? I hadn't even heard a rumor of something she'd done. Apparently just being married to Joe is enough.
My idiot brother just told me yesterday that Joe Biden just got a break from being charged for letting 13000 illegal aliens into this country ilegally. Where does this bs misinformation come from?
 

ivwshane

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My idiot brother just told me yesterday that Joe Biden just got a break from being charged for letting 13000 illegal aliens into this country ilegally. Where does this bs misinformation come from?

There is a whole ecosystem dedicated to spreading right wrong propaganda, that’s not hyperbole. From social media trolls/influencers/blogs, to right wing websites/media/streaming, to networks like Fox News and corporate media like the Sinclair network that spreads propaganda at the local tv levels, to right wing think tanks/watch dogs, all the way up to national politicians, including the president. All of it testing messaging and then propagating an almost unified message. The left has its share of that as well but the difference is that they aren’t unified in the process and spreading of propaganda, it’s not even close.
 

nickqt

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Trump is all over the Epstein flight logs. Why is this front page news?

Fucking media sucks.
Biden is old and looked old on TV, so Trump is irrelevant and we should be focusing more on how Biden hates America because he won't step down for a Unicorn who will sweep the Electoral College and usher us all into the age of Aquarius like was promised to my parents when they were teenagers 50+ years ago. Or so I gather from everywhere I go to read and interact with "lefties" on the internet.
 

MrSquished

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Biden is old and looked old on TV, so Trump is irrelevant and we should be focusing more on how Biden hates America because he won't step down for a Unicorn who will sweep the Electoral College and usher us all into the age of Aquarius like was promised to my parents when they were teenagers 50+ years ago. Or so I gather from everywhere I go to read and interact with "lefties" on the internet.
Biden should step down and the media coverage of Trump is terrible can both be true at the same time. I'm fact they are both true.
 

nickqt

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Biden should step down and the media coverage of Trump is terrible can both be true at the same time. I'm fact they are both true.
You asked a question and I answered it.

In case you've missed the past 9 years, no one who votes for Trump gives a fuck that Trump is a self-confessed criminal who brags about getting away with sexual assault and alludes that he can also get away with murder. And that's going to be roughly 45% of the voting public, plus or minus about 3-4%. Maybe more if enough Democrats continue screaming as loud as they can that Biden is clearly incompetent. You know, because that screaming will drown out a steady drip of Trump being Trump.

So, uh, get back to posting at least every 5 minutes that Biden needs to step down I guess. It'll somehow make Trump look worse or whatever.
 

eelw

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So, uh, get back to posting at least every 5 minutes that Biden needs to step down I guess. It'll somehow make Trump look worse or whatever.
Yeah the Russian trolls keep saying how we're such an echo chamber. Not sure why squishy thinks the majority of us will now suddenly change our minds you don't primary the incumbent because he's a broken record player
 

MrSquished

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You asked a question and I answered it.

In case you've missed the past 9 years, no one who votes for Trump gives a fuck that Trump is a self-confessed criminal who brags about getting away with sexual assault and alludes that he can also get away with murder. And that's going to be roughly 45% of the voting public, plus or minus about 3-4%. Maybe more if enough Democrats continue screaming as loud as they can that Biden is clearly incompetent. You know, because that screaming will drown out a steady drip of Trump being Trump.

So, uh, get back to posting at least every 5 minutes that Biden needs to step down I guess. It'll somehow make Trump look worse or whatever.
If people want to keep posting and gaslighting us about Biden from the Democratic side, I'll continue to post The actual reality of the situation.

Sorry if that upsets you. Not really.

Telling me I missed the last 9 years. As if anything I posted implies that. But you got nothing but bullshit it seems.

All you people keep repeating is the same thing we all know about treatment of trump in the media is completely unfair and bullshit. No shit Sherlock. Stop whining about fucking reality at this point and deal with the reality we can control on our side. If that's too much for you then that's not going to help our cause - defeating Trump and saving democracy. This is the playing field we have. It's very unfair and completely fucked up. Repeating that constantly is getting tiring because you use it to continue your cognitive dissonance. It's a tool you cultists use to avoid growing up.

Deal in the reality we can control. And that is putting forth a competent candidate.

This seems to be beyond the reach of You and many others though. What are the odds you people come to reality though?

Not looking good right now.
 

nickqt

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If people want to keep posting and gaslighting us about Biden from the Democratic side, I'll continue to post The actual reality of the situation.

Sorry if that upsets you. Not really.

Telling me I missed the last 9 years. As if anything I posted implies that. But you got nothing but bullshit it seems.

All you people keep repeating is the same thing we all know about treatment of trump in the media is completely unfair and bullshit. No shit Sherlock. Stop whining about fucking reality at this point and deal with the reality we can control on our side. If that's too much for you then that's not going to help our cause - defeating Trump and saving democracy. This is the playing field we have. It's very unfair and completely fucked up. Repeating that he constantly is getting tiring because you use it to continue your cognitive dissonance.

Deal in the reality we can control. And that is putting forth a competent candidate.

This seems to be beyond the reach of You and many others though. What are the odds you people come to reality though What are the odds you people come to reality though?

Not looking good right now.
I never said Biden shouldn't step down. I said that he wouldn't.

I also recognize that panicking in public leads to an echo chamber that continues operating by itself if amplified enough...and our enemies know that too.

The only people who can force Biden out or to resign is clearly delineated right there in the 25th Amendment to the US Constitution. Section IV is probably the most relevant section. Demand it from them, not me. I'm not in charge, although I'm flattered you think I have that power.

Start the movement. Go to petition.gov and see if one has already been started.

But saying that Biden has to step down is false. He could decide to, but I doubt it.

Unless the echo chamber continues panicking.

And while you might think Biden stepping aside means victory in November, I have my doubts about anyone else stepping in at the top of the ticket and beating Trump. To not understand that is to disregard historical examples of what happens in these kind of scenarios.

And by the way, let's be clear while you're throwing accusations of me being a cultist or whatever the fuck you think sounds clever.

Here is your post that I responded to.
Trump is all over the Epstein flight logs. Why is this front page news?

Fucking media sucks.
And I answered that, ahem, Trump voters don't care. That instead, we're being forced to listen endlessly that Biden has to step down right now or the Republicans win.

So why then say
All you people keep repeating is the same thing we all know about treatment of trump in the media is completely unfair and bullshit. No shit Sherlock. Stop whining about fucking reality at this point and deal with the reality we can control on our side. If that's too much for you then that's not going to help our cause - defeating Trump and saving democracy. This is the playing field we have. It's very unfair and completely fucked up. Stop repeating it.
You asked a question and I answered it. I didn't confusingly ask why the media isn't pounding the Trump whatever-it-is-this-week story, because I knew the answer and shared it with you. And you're right, we can control the Democratic narrative.

Where you and I disagree is how that narrative is shaped. I do not believe that publicly panicking at every opportunity is a particularly good thought out plan for the long run.
 
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BoomerD

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Biden should step down and the media coverage of Trump is terrible can both be true at the same time. I'm fact they are both true.

If Biden steps down, the Dems don't have a candidate who stands a snowball's chance in hell of beating Trump. With a bit of damage control, Biden MIGHT...or might not.
Kamala can't.
Newsome can't.
Whitmer can't.
Bernie damned sure can't.

Michelle Obama MIGHT...but unlikely. She's stated several times that she is not running and doesn't want the job.(and IF she did, IMO, she would have to replace Kamala as VP.)

No one else on the Dem side has enough "name recognition" to get close.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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If Biden steps down, the Dems don't have a candidate who stands a snowball's chance in hell of beating Trump. With a bit of damage control, Biden MIGHT...or might not.
Kamala can't.
Newsome can't.
Whitmer can't.
Bernie damned sure can't.

Michelle Obama MIGHT...but unlikely. She's stated several times that she is not running and doesn't want the job.(and IF she did, IMO, she would have to replace Kamala as VP.)

No one else on the Dem side has enough "name recognition" to get close.
Idk, I bet Pete could, he was at least a well known name.
 
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eelw

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Idk, I bet Pete could, he was at least a well known name.
Pete is definitely a better speaker that both Biden and Harris combined. It’s unfortunate he doesn’t have the experience to back it up. Totally out of his control but sadly many blame him for the various airline delay issues.
 
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