Joe Manchin should genuinely be a progressive hero.
All that matters is if you can get shit done. Nothing noble in perpetually losing.I'd rather justified losses than unjustified ones. Perspective affects following cycles and losing despite having the majority is a bad look, *gestures at past Republican majorities*
Pyrrhic victory is a phrase that exists for a reason.All that matters is if you can get shit done. Nothing noble in perpetually losing.
The Senate is 50/50. Before we lost the House majority, the only way legislation was passed was when the VP broke a tie.I'd rather justified losses than unjustified ones. Perspective affects following cycles and losing despite having the majority is a bad look, *gestures at past Republican majorities*
I really doubt that is real. 1) Gate agents don't take being touched well. 2) He would've been charged out the nose for change fees. 3) If it is real, he is obviously closeted
Fair enough my counter argument is what does it cost to keep him in that seat and what’s the next best alternative if funds and efforts go somewhere else?The question you should ask is if Joe Manchin isn’t in that seat who else would be and would they vote differently.
BIL was 69-30.The Senate is 50/50. Before we lost the House majority, the only way legislation was passed was when the VP broke a tie.
If you haven't been paying attention, after the American Rescue Plan, Dems also passed: BIL, IRA, CHIPS act, PACT Act, and probably some others.
This wasn't fluff legislation; these are significant achievements and esp. so when you had only 50 Senators and two of those were named Manchin and Sinema. The IRA, in particular, is a massive bill that will reverberate for a long time if the GOP doesn't strip it down.
Don't worry though, it seems like you will get your wish after all. The absolute clarity of losing Senate votes because Jim Justice replaces Manchin.
I don't think he should go to prison, for this one anyway. Prison should be reserved for the predatory and dangerous (OK, Trump is dangerous, but the danger he presents can be addressed in ways other than locking him up). But it's clearly not a political prosecution as the previous poster's quote implies, though.
Doctoring financial records in order to mislead the public to secure enormous power, to be clear.
From the time I clicked these multiquotes, I have not seen one person admit or acknowledge that this trial proves that Trump along with help from Comey, stole the 2016 election which is why he cried so HARD about 2020 being stolen. Since he was able to manipulate the 2016, he couldn't comprehend how 2020 didn't work the same way.It's a truly sad day when you can't falsify business records to conceal illegal campaign contributions to pay off a porn star.
Are you saying that should be legal or that we simply shouldn't prosecute people for it?
Yes. Considering the razor thin margin Trump won by in 2016 it’s entirely reasonable that he would have lost had it been exposed.From the time I clicked these multiquotes, I have not seen one person admit or acknowledge that this trial proves that Trump along with help from Comey, stole the 2016 election which is why he cried so HARD about 2020 being stolen. Since he was able to manipulate the 2016, he couldn't comprehend how 2020 didn't work the same way.
I'm not here to extol the virtues of Joe Manchin, but your takes are just as ridiculous. He cockblocked the IRA all of 2021 and into 2022, before he voted for it! The "Green New Deal" was never going to pass in a 50/50 Senate, so we take the wins that we can get. The horse-trading and sausage-making is probably pretty disgusting from our perspective, but that's unfortunately how representative government works. Manchin was elected Senator of WV, not of CA or NY.BIL was 69-30.
IRA I'll give manchin credit for
CHIPS was 64-33
PACT was 84-15.
How many things did manchin torpedo? There was a few months when fucking nothing happened and everyone on this forum was screaming about manchin and sinema, now he's the Democrat sleeper agent? Please.
Oh my God. It's so fun to be alive.
Of course you could also say the same if the average American had the brains God gave a goose although, in that case the margin would have been Hillary winning by a landslide.Yes. Considering the razor thin margin Trump won by in 2016 it’s entirely reasonable that he would have lost had it been exposed.
As long as you send out a goon and force her to sign a NDA and then in your trial force your lawyer to lie for you and deny it completely. But just make sure the cheques says legal expenses.If I give my lawyer money to score a couple of hookers and some coke for me, can I claim it as a "legal expense", and write it off?.🤔
Not the right question as the answer is clearly yes. The question is can keep knowledge of you doing so from resulting in a guilty verdict in criminal proceedings.If I give my lawyer money to score a couple of hookers and some coke for me, can I claim it as a "legal expense", and write it off?.🤔
Git outta here with that Commie English spellingAs long as you send out a goon and force her to sign a NDA and then in your trial force your lawyer to lie for you and deny it completely. But just make sure the cheques says legal expenses.
Lol yup CanadianGit outta here with that Commie English spelling
If I give my lawyer money to score a couple of hookers and some coke for me, can I claim it as a "legal expense", and write it off?.🤔
He’s not serving time. He will be fined, there may be business dealing restrictions or required reviews.They say that chances are uncertain that Trump will serve time, no matter how brief.
I think this entire trial requires some sort of hard-time punishment. Trump is just as culpable as anyone else who served time on related charges. We aren't even talking about the Jan 6 defendants and convicts. But I'm a real hard ass about the law.
If people commit tax fraud, they should go to jail, unless the law prescribes a hefty fine for their particular level of fraud. If people violate the FEC and their state agency election regulators, they should serve time as prescribed for felonies.
Trump was a CRIMINAL before his current charges and he will be a CRIMINAL after any conviction. He's a criminal. The purpose of the justice system is to extract punishment of the guilty while protecting the innocent from punishment. So the justice system is biased in this way, letting "not guilty" parties go free when they were likely -- in fact -- guilty. Reasonable doubt can be somebody's fantasy about some uncertain aspects of the case that could admit a not guilty verdict, but the uncertainty is most likely in the minds of jurors, at one time supporting innocence, at other times misidentifying the guilty as "not guilty".
So the measuring stick of criminality -- as far as I see it -- is not the conviction, but the facts supporting any charges. I knew the man was a tax fraud in 2017, but I couldn't yet prove it. Yet -- he hasn't been charged by the government for what other tax filers may serve time for or pay steep fines. It's already evident from other cases against Trump that he's a tax fraud.
Did he mishandle and steal documents made secret to protect national security? He DAMN WELL DID. And any GOP'er who asserts that "he did nothing wrong with the documents" deserves a round-house haymaker to the face. The proof was there. The NARA requests multiple times -- all there. The law requiring those documents to go to NARA -- there! And Trump arranged to obstruct FBI in locating the documents in his properties or house.
Their man is a CRIMINAL! Elect the Criminal! Make America lower than crocodile piss! Hail Satan, Hail Trump! Hail Satan, Hail Trump! So god damn the bible thumper devil worshipers all to hell!