Trump NY indictment thread

[Hayabusa Rider]

So I live to see Trump in ruination. My life is now complete

 

[Charmonium]

I have to say that until he was somehow elected, I didn't have any strong feelings either way. He was just another tv moron. Never watched The Apprentice, which I'm now hearing netted him about 500 million over 10 years. Thought his running was mostly a bad joke.

But for the 4 years he was in office, it was just one fuckup after another after another. I think at 3-6 months into his term I started saying, 'yes, yes, I'm tired of winning, please go away.'

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Cognitive dissonance personified:View attachment 86571

And he didn’t even need to be there. He showed up to get pissed off and have a picture taken of him being pissed off.

 

[Charmonium]

OMG, Alan Weiselberg testified he never even studied to be a CPA and no real knowledge of Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP in the parlance).

I'm starting to wonder if maybe we aren't getting too much entertainment from the Trump show.

Nah. The only real issue is no fast forward.

 

[Charmonium]

Just because one might have a law license does not mean you know everything.

Not so long ago, we had courts of law and courts of equity. I think something like estoppel is considered equitable relief but I'm not going to look it up.

The point is that in most if not all US jurisdictions, the two courts were merged but there were still differences between legal and equitable relief.

Lisa Rubin was on Rachel tonight and it seems that the type of relief being sought by the AG in NY falls into the equitable category. Further, it may or may not be something that can be determined by a jury. She said maybe on liability but "disgorgement" can only be granted by a judge and that would be the punishment phase.

 

[Charmonium]

Another commentator had a good analogy to help us wrap our heads around what "disgorgement" means.

You work in store and steal $100 bucks from the till. You go to the track bet the hundred and win a thousand. You return the hundred before the theft is noticed.

Since your winnings were based on the theft, they are "ill gotten" and would have to be disgorged.

 

[BoomerD]

Speaking of “dis gorged”

Huge McDonald’s order brought into court during Trump’s fraud trial

Staffers in suits were seen hauling bag after bag of McDonald’s into the Centre Street complex during a lunch break.

nypost.com

 

[akugami]

Seems like ....it"s HIS legal team that HE hired ..."ineffective counsel" shouldn't be grounds for an appeal.

I DO think this so some kind of "legal strategy," either on his part, or his lawyers

He looks like an angry, sulky child who didn't get his puddin' pops. Is that some hilarious attempt to be intimidating? I'm sure the judge is terrified. Probably all he can do not to crack up.

And yeah he continues to call the judge unhinged (all while looking quite unhinged himself in court). That might not be the smartest move, but then again he probably knows he's screwed and is just going for points for his cult.

The only thing that vaguely comes to mind as far as legal strategy goes, he's somehow going to argue the judge is biased, and he should get a new trial or something.

 

[eelw]

Can a Big Mac just finish him off? Pleeeeeeaaaaassssssssseeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[akugami]

Can a Big Mac just finish him off? Pleeeeeeaaaaassssssssseeeeeeeeeeeee

I'd vote for the Big Mac to receive a Nobel Peace Prize if it pulls off this monumental achievement.

 

[BoomerD]

I'd vote for the Big Mac to receive a Nobel Peace Prize if it pulls off this monumental achievement.

My money is on a terrorist chicken nugget.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Must have practiced that look for days in front of a mirror.

And Oh by the way, can you spell dime store lawyer incompetence? I really can't believe this.

“Mind-blowing”: Legal experts warn that lawyer’s incredible “screw-up” is “very ominous” for Trump | Salon.com

Award-winning news and culture, features breaking news, in-depth reporting and criticism on politics, science, food and entertainment.

www.salon.com

New York Judge Arthur Ergoron on Monday said that he is holding a bench trial in New York Attorney General Letitia James fraud lawsuit against former President Donald Trump because "nobody asked for" a jury trial on either side, The Messenger's Adam Klasfeld reported. "Trump isn't getting a jury trial in his $250m civil fraud suit brought against him by New York AG James because his legal team didn't request one on the paperwork," explained The Guardian's Hugo Lowell.

This is being really poorly reported. The charges against Trump are filed under a Consumer Protection law that does not allow for a jury trial. Trumps layers could have argued that those charges are not appropriate in this situation and possibly gotten it changed to a more general statute, but they thought they were going to get to slip under the much narrower statute of limitation on the consumer protection laws, while there is basically no statute of limitation for the other. But the DA is arguing that the statute of limitation does not apply here because the crime is still ongoing, and so far the judge is accepting that argument. Now team Trump is trapped in bench trial.

So, they won't be able to claim ineffective counsel later because this was not a mistake but a trial strategy, and one that could have worked if their client was not still committing the very crime he is being charged with.

 

[Stokely]

So I live to see Trump in ruination. My life is now complete

I'll "settle" for "won't be President". That's an easy trade for me--let him keep his money, let him ramble on his social media platform, just keep him the fuck out of the Oval Office. He can decline and die knowing he's irrelevant, which is probably the toughest punishment you can give this diva. Of course, if both things can happen, ok then!

And OF COURSE Trump will argue the judge is biased etc. He'd sue the sun if he got a bad sunburn. He's the moron that after every game their team loses, starts ranting about cheating and bad officiating. Hell, he does it even when he wins at something ("I overcame the bias blah blah").

You'll notice that he sits quietly in the courtroom, sulky man-child glower notwithstanding. He is not stupid--he knows he'd just be removed if he starts acting up in court. He saves it for his social media rants and interactions with reporters (though I'd argue that isn't all that smart in a bench trial, but whatever).

 

[K1052]

going swell

https://twitter.com/x/status/1709283412744208468

 

[eelw]

But what will the judge do to hold the orange monkey responsible?

 

[fskimospy]

But what will the judge do to hold the orange monkey responsible?

I really hope Trump tries him on this one because the outcome is going to be hilarious.

 

[K1052]

I really hope Trump tries him on this one because the outcome is going to be hilarious.

Trump getting sent to Rikers on contempt would be amazing.

 

[fskimospy]

Trump getting sent to Rikers on contempt would be amazing.

I bet his rope would be pretty long if he stuck to attacks on the judges themselves, the AG, whoever, but attacks on the safety of their staff are not going to go well.

 

[IronWing]

He could have Epstein's old cell.
"Is the camera working?"
"It's working, right?"
"I don't see a red light."
"Oh God, the camera isn't working!"
"Is the camera working?

 

[Stokely]

I bet his rope would be pretty long if he stuck to attacks on the judges themselves, the AG, whoever, but attacks on the safety of their staff are not going to go well.

Yep. This walking pile of crap knows full well the type of cultists he has hanging on his every word. As we all do from Jan 6. That staff person is now in some amount of danger just from his ludicrous post about them.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Some pundits (and others) are saying that the gag order has no teeth, because no judge is going to move against Trump, but I think this has a better chance of jailing Trump than they think. Trump Made it personal against the judge by attacking his staff, and I think that’s going to weigh heavily on the “treat him like anyone else” side if/when Trump does it again. The judge may well be willing to take the historic and personal risk if he thinks he’s protecting the people he entrusts to aid him.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Must have practiced that look for days in front of a mirror.

And Oh by the way, can you spell dime store lawyer incompetence? I really can't believe this.

“Mind-blowing”: Legal experts warn that lawyer’s incredible “screw-up” is “very ominous” for Trump | Salon.com

Award-winning news and culture, features breaking news, in-depth reporting and criticism on politics, science, food and entertainment.

www.salon.com

New York Judge Arthur Ergoron on Monday said that he is holding a bench trial in New York Attorney General Letitia James fraud lawsuit against former President Donald Trump because "nobody asked for" a jury trial on either side, The Messenger's Adam Klasfeld reported. "Trump isn't getting a jury trial in his $250m civil fraud suit brought against him by New York AG James because his legal team didn't request one on the paperwork," explained The Guardian's Hugo Lowell.

I'm thinking the only reason Alina Habba is on the case is that she’s attractive. Trump has a tendency to hire people based on their looks and I think this is just another case of that. She doesn’t have a winning record as a Trump mouthpiece. She signed the paperwork saying that they had complied with requests for sensitive documents in Mar A Lago (which was shown to be false).

Habba is more or less essentially a Public Relations/Press Secretary type person for Trump. I’ve often seen her representing him on TV for cases that she’s not even listed as being counsel for. She basically just repeats the “WITCH HUNT!” on TV as her career and job function. Having a law degree is supposed to give her a veneer of authority when she just repeats his bullshit claims.

She could also be useful for an upcoming “ineffective counsel” defense.

 

[dillhole]

Trump, after a separate trip to France in 2017, tells Kelly he wants no wounded veterans in a military parade he’s trying to have planned in his honor. Inspired by the Bastille Day parade, except for the section of the parade featuring wounded French veterans in wheelchairs, Trump tells Kelly, “Look, I don’t want any wounded guys in the parade.”

“Those are the heroes,” Kelly said. “In our society, there’s only one group of people who are more heroic than they are – and they are buried over in Arlington.”

“I don’t want them,” Trump said. “It doesn’t look good for me.”

The story squares with another recent story from Goldberg in The Atlantic, a profile of retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley, in which Trump does not react well to seeing severely wounded Army Captain Luis Avila singing “God Bless America” at a welcome event for the new chairman. “Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

"Alina Habba, you say? Hubba hubba."

kicks leg and wolf-howls

"She's yabba-habba-hired!"

 

[eelw]

Some pundits (and others) are saying that the gag order has no teeth, because no judge is going to move against Trump, but I think this has a better chance of jailing Trump than they think. Trump Made it personal against the judge by attacking his staff, and I think that’s going to weigh heavily on the “treat him like anyone else” side if/when Trump does it again. The judge may well be willing to take the historic and personal risk if he thinks he’s protecting the people he entrusts to aid him.

I’d expect fines. $10,000 first. $100,000 second. $1M and so on and so on and so on.

 

[Charmonium]

I wonder if they can make Trump wear an actual ball gag.