Trump NY indictment thread

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fskimospy

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I mean, the guy was a known criminal in 2016 and nobody seemed to care.
Probably cuz he frequently beat the charges.
He also settled most civil suits with the condition of silence.
So yeah, that he is facing real charges right now and nobody cares isnt particularly surprising to me.
I think lots of people care and this dooms whatever tiny chance he had of becoming president again.
 
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Indus

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I mean, the guy was a known criminal in 2016 and nobody seemed to care.
Probably cuz he frequently beat the charges.
He also settled most civil suits with the condition of silence.
So yeah, that he is facing real charges right now and nobody cares isnt particularly surprising to me.

The fact that he's a former POTUS means even if he's somehow convicted, it'll be a slap on the wrist!
 
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pete6032

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I think lots of people care and this dooms whatever tiny chance he had of becoming president again.
I'm not so sure about that. The entire platform and messaging of the Republican party at the Federal level since 2016 (and perhaps earlier) has been about the danger of voting for Democrats, rather than the value of voting for a Republican candidate. That's why the Republicans have been able to get batshit crazy candidates through, because they have so effectively convinced voters of the horrors of the Democratic party that even electing the biggest dirtbag Republican is preferable in their eyes.
 

eelw

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The fact that he's a former POTUS means even if he's somehow convicted, it'll be a slap on the wrist!
Yup he won’t serve any time behind bars. It’s going to be home confinement for him. But wonder if there’s a way to limit how far he can wander on his property? Imagine being forced to stay only in his living quarters on Mar A Lago and forbidden from using his golf course.
 

Muse

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I'm waiting to see the walk of shame and how Trump is going to behave at that time. Would be fun to see him pull off a Roger Stone kind of shtick when it happens.
He will be sticking his shit-covered thumbs in the air like he always does, pretending he's idolized.
 
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Muse

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It was just about 2 weeks ago Trump said he would surrender if indicted. Let's see if that holds up any better than his other promises.
Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. Rom DeSaster probably wouldn't extradite him from Flowrida.
 

trenchfoot

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Yup he won’t serve any time behind bars. It’s going to be home confinement for him. But wonder if there’s a way to limit how far he can wander on his property? Imagine being forced to stay only in his living quarters on Mar A Lago and forbidden from using his golf course.


For a guy that's used to doing what he wants when he wants and where he wants that would be so righteously tortuous. I think you're on to something there.
 
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fskimospy

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I'm not so sure about that. The entire platform and messaging of the Republican party at the Federal level since 2016 (and perhaps earlier) has been about the danger of voting for Democrats, rather than the value of voting for a Republican candidate. That's why the Republicans have been able to get batshit crazy candidates through, because they have so effectively convinced voters of the horrors of the Democratic party that even electing the biggest dirtbag Republican is preferable in their eyes.
Republicans generally only get batshit crazy candidates through in safe districts and even then the polling shows voters punish those candidates for having extreme views as they get a lower share of the vote than the partisanship/electoral environment would otherwise predict.

I'm sure some people, even maybe a majority of Republicans won't care that Trump is indicted but plenty of other people will. Trump is already a bad, underperforming candidate - this probably makes that worse and Trump already had no votes to spare and no margin for error to possibly win the presidency again.
 

conehead433

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Yup he won’t serve any time behind bars. It’s going to be home confinement for him. But wonder if there’s a way to limit how far he can wander on his property? Imagine being forced to stay only in his living quarters on Mar A Lago and forbidden from using his golf course.
Being confined to what is basically a resort is not punishment, and it's certainly not punishment that any average citizen would get. There is a good possibility that Trump will end up in jail even over this after he posts something that threatens the DA, the presiding judge, or attempts to threaten or intimidate any of the jurors. This will result in having his bail revoked, and possible additional charges. He just can't help himself and has done this repeatedly, and has always gotten away with it. It's time he learns what 'fuck around and find out' means. If he is not jailed for this he will be for Georgia, J6, and the classified documents. He deserves twenty years in gen pop at Rikers and another twenty years at Guantanamo. FUCK TRUMP!
 
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Zorba

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So. Anyone else a little bit worried about how this can be used to propel his 2024 bid to escape velocity.
Considering all of his potential rivals are running to kiss the ring and support him against this, I think he is going to easily beat all of them. It shows absolutely none of them have the balls to actually say anything bad about him. How are any of them going to win if they will not even take advantage of something like this?

ETA: I'm only talking about the primaries. I think this does hurt him a lot in the general.
 
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conehead433

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Considering all of his potential rival are running to kiss the ring and support him against this, I think he is going to easily beat all of them. It shows absolutely none of them have the balls to actually say anything bad about him. How are any of them going to win if they will not even take advantage of something like this?
This only proves the Republicans supporting him don't support the rule of law in this country. I had thought that at least some would be dumping Trump after all of his violations of the law. We are at this point in history because of a bunch of spineless Senate Republicans who refused to impeach Trump (twice) when he was obviously guilty. RIP GOP
 
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iRONic

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Considering all of his potential rivals are running to kiss the ring and support him against this, I think he is going to easily beat all of them. It shows absolutely none of them have the balls to actually say anything bad about him. How are any of them going to win if they will not even take advantage of something like this?

ETA: I'm only talking about the primaries. I think this does hurt him a lot in the general.
It's early. The first domino just dropped…
 

Zorba

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This only proves none of the Republicans supporting him support the rule of law in this country. I had thought that at least some would be dumping Trump after all of his violations of the law. We are at this point in history because of a bunch of spineless Senate Republicans who refused to impeach Trump (twice) when he was obviously guilty. RIP GOP
Republicans have been told for decades to believe their talking heads, not their own eyes, for decades. My In-laws who are mega republicans, don't really like Trump, but they also don't believe any of the negative stuff about him is true. It's all "fake" or "sensationalized" etc.
 

eelw

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It's time he learns what 'fuck around and find out' means. If he is not jailed for this he will be for Georgia, J6, and the classified documents. He deserves twenty years in gen pop at Rikers and another twenty years at Guantanamo. FUCK TRUMP!
Sure many of us here would love this, there’s absolutely zero chance he’s going to be in an orange jumpsuit in gen pop.
 
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shortylickens

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I'm not so sure about that. The entire platform and messaging of the Republican party at the Federal level since 2016 (and perhaps earlier) has been about the danger of voting for Democrats, rather than the value of voting for a Republican candidate. That's why the Republicans have been able to get batshit crazy candidates through, because they have so effectively convinced voters of the horrors of the Democratic party that even electing the biggest dirtbag Republican is preferable in their eyes.
Yeah its thousands of years old but the technique works incredibly well.
Even though it was clearly obvious the nation was much worse off with Donald he still got 3 million MORE votes the second time around.
Thats fucking scary. Their propaganda machine is so finely tuned we will literally vote ourselves into oblivion.

Americans need to stop being so horrifically ignorant and magnificently scared. And honest to god I do not know how to correct such a problem. Other than encouraging critical thinking skills in the public education system. And of course Republicans actively fight any attempts to make public education better, so, good luck with that.
 
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woolfe9998

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So CNN says, according to "sources familiar with the matter," that Trump is facing "30 counts for business fraud." That is far more than he could face based on the hush money issue alone. Anyone know what the rest of this is about?
 

eelw

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So CNN says, according to "sources familiar with the matter," that Trump is facing "30 counts for business fraud." That is far more than he could face based on the hush money issue alone. Anyone know what the rest of this is about?
Speculation about why Wessenberg’s former daughter in law testified. So this is tax invasion.
 

HomerJS

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This only proves the Republicans supporting him don't support the rule of law in this country. I had thought that at least some would be dumping Trump after all of his violations of the law. We are at this point in history because of a bunch of spineless Senate Republicans who refused to impeach Trump (twice) when he was obviously guilty. RIP GOP
Sure they do, as long as the perps don't look like them.
 

woolfe9998

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Speculation about why Wessenberg’s former daughter in law testified. So this is tax invasion.

Yes I assume they are indicting him for the same stuff as Weiselberg, but I hadn't heard that was on the table. Everything I've read is that the hush money issue is what Manhattan DA was investigating him for, and also I've heard legal analysts saying that the maximum penalty on that issue alone isn't much. If this is 30 felony counts, it is serious legal jeopardy for Trump, assuming the DA can prove his case.
 

HomerJS

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Comment from one of the Central Park 5. Trump called for their assignation when they were just accused of rape. When they were exonerated with DNA evidence Trump still publicly claimed they were guilty. I agree with him.

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