Trump NY indictment thread

Page 45 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,627
50,839
136
Seems to be what the filing is asking for. Or, it's asking for the stay to be granted with the "less than required" amount because of whatever ridiculous legal arguments are present in the 1800 pages.

I heard that both sides were already in front of an appeals judge and that there will be a result of that by COB today.
Yes that's definitely what he's asking for - just saying in this case his usual scheme of running out the clock doesn't work because the default position is now one where the state starts selling his shit off. This is the one time he actually wants courts to act fast.
 
Reactions: hal2kilo

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
11,846
2,805
136
Different things. The fraud was him telling banks that property X is/was worth 100M when it's only worth 60M, while telling insurance it's worth 40M. Now, "worth" is not the same as what % of that property he actually owns.

That last part is really what I was referring to. There were some of his properties listed during the trial (can't remember source, might have been talking heads on legal/financial analysis tv side) where they were either a very minor stake owned by Trump org, or wholly owned by others just with his name attached. It was more complicated than that, but you get the point.
He has a couple substantial (but non-controlling) stakes in valuable skyscrapers. IIRC he owns Trump Tower, but I don't know if he's mortgaged it (probably? Lol). So he has a few valuable properties that he can put up as collateral to a licensed bonding company. Most of his actual businesses like his golf courses lose money, and a lot of it.

He doesn't want to sell any of his best assets because that would trigger capital gains tax. And you know stable geniuses can't be paying tax.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
11,818
8,269
136
He has a couple substantial (but non-controlling) stakes in valuable skyscrapers. IIRC he owns Trump Tower, but I don't know if he's mortgaged it (probably? Lol). So he has a few valuable properties that he can put up as collateral to a licensed bonding company. Most of his actual businesses like his golf courses lose money, and a lot of it.

He doesn't want to sell any of his best assets because that would trigger capital gains tax. And you know stable geniuses can't be paying tax.

That reminds me of something I was curious about..

E. Jean Carroll when she gets the payment.. does it incur income tax or capital gains tax or what?
 

Dave_5k

Golden Member
May 23, 2017
1,893
3,624
136
That reminds me of something I was curious about..

E. Jean Carroll when she gets the payment.. does it incur income tax or capital gains tax or what?
Short version, taxable income.

Longer version without getting into the voluminous tax code, the general rule regarding taxability of amounts received from settlement of lawsuits and other legal remedies is "all income is taxable from whatever source derived, unless exempted by another section of the code."

IRC Section 104 provides an exclusion from taxable income with respect to lawsuits, settlements and awards, but only if the amounts are related to personal injuries or sickness. Another exemption hiding for payments received on certain types of discrimination claims.

(and there are probably other exemptions hiding in the code with a good enough tax lawyer, but those two are the only common ones I found).
 

iRONic

Diamond Member
Jan 28, 2006
7,467
2,738
136
I bet he's leveraged to almost zero (relative to overall value) equity on any of his major properties.

There's probably people posting on this forum with more real liquidity ...
I’m not using the ’Anandtech baller’ card here… but this is so damn true for me & my wife!

Granted, we're not commercial real estate mobiles…
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
48,073
37,260
136
If he can't get a bond for the Carroll judgment there's no way he's going to get one for the fraud judgement.

Since The Trump Org's remaining physical assets in NY are unlikely to come close to satisfying the judgement at real valuations I assume the AG will probably have to look for other targets like Trump's accounts at financial institutions with a NY presence.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
36,123
30,515
136
I’d assume NYS. They can seize asset. Carroll is at the will of the orange monkey to further fight
Yeah I'm just wondering if Carroll could say to NY hey the money you obtain from Trump goes to me first, like would they have to legally give any to her before they can keep it. I'm guessing no but just wondering how this stuff works. I've never lost multiple multi-million-dollar lawsuits myself so new territory here.
 
Feb 4, 2009
35,245
16,713
136
Interestingly enough the AG says they do not interpret the ruling to prohibit Trump from getting a bond from any financial institutions.

Now he just has to find one stupid enough to do it.
He may, I suspect many bonds people are into the whole MAGA thing.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
85,627
50,839
136
He may, I suspect many bonds people are into the whole MAGA thing.
They are probably not into the whole ‘getting stiffed for hundreds of millions’ thing though.

Like, what are the odds of getting your money back? They don’t seem very favorable to me.
 
Feb 4, 2009
35,245
16,713
136
They are probably not into the whole ‘getting stiffed for hundreds of millions’ thing though.

Like, what are the odds of getting your money back? They don’t seem very favorable to me.
Agreed we are clearly thinking. They likely will have clouded vision.
I know little about this industry I could be incorrect
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
48,073
37,260
136
Its possible there is somebody dumb enough to think "Obviously Donald Trump will pay me" left who could afford to bond him on this scale but I don't think it is likely there is.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
36,123
30,515
136
They are probably not into the whole ‘getting stiffed for hundreds of millions’ thing though.

Like, what are the odds of getting your money back? They don’t seem very favorable to me.
Trump can just inflate the prices of his assets to obtain the necessary funding.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |