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K1052

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Stokely

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What was that about Nato countries paying their bills?

Well, now we get to see just how much the legal system favors (supposedly) rich, powerful, white old dudes. Because he looks very, very fucked to me. He's testified under oath that he has the money to pay this. Any properties he owns probably have mortgages, and from what I read these aren't desirable for someone handling these bonds anyway.

Let's get the RNC on the job drumming up donations from the rubes to help their hero. Sure it'll hurt the scratch-off industry but these are trying times that require sacrifice.

Best thing about all this if--if--it hurts the GOP voting suppression and general ad campaigns paying this loser's legal bills. I'll get personal glee if it causes Trump to continue to have off-script meltdowns.
 

alien42

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What was that about Nato countries paying their bills?

Well, now we get to see just how much the legal system favors (supposedly) rich, powerful, white old dudes. Because he looks very, very fucked to me. He's testified under oath that he has the money to pay this. Any properties he owns probably have mortgages, and from what I read these aren't desirable for someone handling these bonds anyway.

Let's get the RNC on the job drumming up donations from the rubes to help their hero. Sure it'll hurt the scratch-off industry but these are trying times that require sacrifice.

Best thing about all this if--if--it hurts the GOP voting suppression and general ad campaigns paying this loser's legal bills. I'll get personal glee if it causes Trump to continue to have off-script meltdowns.
Bankruptcy incoming.
 
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eelw

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Lol Biden should offer the orange monkey medicare what other social programs for poor seniors
 

HomerJS

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Interesting how he can't get a bond even putting up Trump tower as collateral. Bond companies knows even with collateral Trump would fight it if he loses appeal and the company would lose their money.
 

Saylick

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What was that about Nato countries paying their bills?

Well, now we get to see just how much the legal system favors (supposedly) rich, powerful, white old dudes. Because he looks very, very fucked to me. He's testified under oath that he has the money to pay this. Any properties he owns probably have mortgages, and from what I read these aren't desirable for someone handling these bonds anyway.

Let's get the RNC on the job drumming up donations from the rubes to help their hero. Sure it'll hurt the scratch-off industry but these are trying times that require sacrifice.

Best thing about all this if--if--it hurts the GOP voting suppression and general ad campaigns paying this loser's legal bills. I'll get personal glee if it causes Trump to continue to have off-script meltdowns.
I just hope his impending Alzheimers doesn’t rot his brain too far where he’s not conscious enough to feel humiliated about this loss. I ain’t hopeful he will see the inside of a prison cell, but I do hope he will be a broke, miserable fool before he passes and he’s mentally there to know it on his deathbed.
 

Stokely

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I just hope his impending Alzheimers doesn’t rot his brain too far where he’s not conscious enough to feel humiliated about this loss. I ain’t hopeful he will see the inside of a prison cell, but I do hope he will be a broke, miserable fool before he passes and he’s mentally there to know it on his deathbed.
As long as he's not living in the White House for the next four years, I don't care where he goes or what he does. He can live in gilded luxury or in a padded cell, either way as long as he can't do the damage he desires to do, it's all good. The GOP is managing to do a hell of a job in that dept even without him, but his 2024 Retribution Tour (tm) is going to be pretty nuts IMO if he gets in.
 

nOOky

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Aren't DJT's dollars worth more than the average dollar? Shouldn't it be something like a 1:20000 ratio so he should only need to put up 1/20000 the number of dollars required versus the average criminal's dollars? I bet if he has some dollars shaped like the head of a mushroom those should be extremely more valuable.
 
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Thump553

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Interesting how he can't get a bond even putting up Trump tower as collateral. Bond companies knows even with collateral Trump would fight it if he loses appeal and the company would lose their money.
IMO Trump claiming the bonding companies want cash collateral, not asset collateral is BS. While cash is certainly preferable what this tells me is either (1) Trump's real estate is already highly leveraged and/or (2) the potential bonding companies value his RE assets along the same lines NYS did, rather than the pie in the sky figures Trump frequently uses.

Too bad he can't collateralize his willing stream of donors.

Given that he has already been caught trying to transfer his assets out of state surreptitiously I gravely doubt he is going to get any sympathy from the NY courts in any further motion to reduce the bond.

As far as bankruptcy goes, he will have to file complete and accurate financial information UNDER OATH. Due to "bankruptcy reform" pushed through by the GOP a while back he is looking at almost certain jail time for lying in his bankruptcy papers.
 
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fskimospy

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I didn't say it would, but if he doesn't have the money, there is no such thing as debtor's prison.
The main benefit from bankruptcy is it delays enforcement of the judgment. Even if he doesn't have the money for the full judgment they will continue liquidating assets until he's out of them.

This doesn't mean he's going to die in destitution or anything but it does mean his business 'empire' (lol) will be destroyed.
 

K1052

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Interesting how he can't get a bond even putting up Trump tower as collateral. Bond companies knows even with collateral Trump would fight it if he loses appeal and the company would lose their money.

The reality is that a lot of things with his name on them he doesn't actually own or just owns a small piece of. Then there are the banks to consider who hold the loans against many of his assets making them unavailable to serve as collateral for a bond.
 

eelw

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IMO Trump claiming the bonding companies want cash collateral, not asset collateral is BS.
And if he has to have the full cash amount, why would he need to use the bonding company in the first place. Would be stupid to pay what ever fee they require on top of the bond.
 
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uallas5

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Not related to NY indictments but very much related to him being unable to secure the bond.

The US isn't the only place he's going to have to come up with some serious cash to pay off rulings that have gone against him. Remember the Steele dossier? Well Trump sued Orbis Business Intelligence, the company that produced the dossier, but it didn't go so well. Not only was the case tossed, but the judge in London has ordered that he has to pay for all the costs incurred by Orbis, which they estimate to be more than £600,000 ($760,000).

Mrs Justice Steyn said Orbis has estimated its costs to be more than £600,000.
She said £300,000 should be paid by Mr Trump before the total costs are decided by a specialist judge.
 

sactoking

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As a former surety underwriter I will say that it's my understanding most of the "big boy" traditional sureties won't touch real property collateral even for well qualified clients because the legal hurdles and liquidation values are just too unpredictable, even with "airtight" contracts.

As to why someone would pay the surety fee in addition to fill cash collateral, well, many jurisdictions won't actually take cash in lieu of bond because they don't want to be liable for handling it and the jurisdictions that do take cash aren't known for returning it in a timely manner. A surety will let you buy $600mm worth of t-bills and deposit those so you at least earn some interest on your "cash" collateral.
 
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manly

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"I'm not a rich man but I play one on TV."
You kid, but before The Apprentice, DJT was just a well-known failed casino mogul doubling as a rich RE guy. The show altered history, because he's just not a political player without the cult of celebrity it created.

As long as he's not living in the White House for the next four years, I don't care where he goes or what he does. He can live in gilded luxury or in a padded cell, either way as long as he can't do the damage he desires to do, it's all good. The GOP is managing to do a hell of a job in that dept even without him, but his 2024 Retribution Tour (tm) is going to be pretty nuts IMO if he gets in.
Although he deserves a lot worse than living his final years in gilded luxury, I'd accept his permanent retirement so long as his heirs ultimately pay estate tax which his father conveniently and illegally dodged.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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I mean isn't the clear implication here that he doesn't have sufficient assets to secure the bond?

lol

It's pretty amusing that the judgment is fundamentally about Trump claiming money/wealth he didn't have and then when forced to come up with the money he can't. So basically admitting NYS was right.
Has the inability to post bond ever been used as evidence in a financial fraud trial case? Can we start now?
 

hal2kilo

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Not related to NY indictments but very much related to him being unable to secure the bond.

The US isn't the only place he's going to have to come up with some serious cash to pay off rulings that have gone against him. Remember the Steele dossier? Well Trump sued Orbis Business Intelligence, the company that produced the dossier, but it didn't go so well. Not only was the case tossed, but the judge in London has ordered that he has to pay for all the costs incurred by Orbis, which they estimate to be more than £600,000 ($760,000).

Mrs Justice Steyn said Orbis has estimated its costs to be more than £600,000.
She said £300,000 should be paid by Mr Trump before the total costs are decided by a specialist judge.
Is it my imagination? or does he shoot off his mouth a lot with nasty untruths about people, or politicians, So many lawsuits. Hmm.
 
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