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pete6032

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It never ceases to amaze me what sort of stories people invent about Trump. It used to be that he would never be indicted. Now that it’s obvious he will be and this is only the start - now he doesn’t mind and this is all a part of the plan.

No need to play 8-D chess here - he’s panicked because he’s scared of going to prison. He should be scared too.
I don't think this particular case would involve prison time. The other ones if indicted, yes. But from what I've read it seems like he wouldn't face prison for this.
 

fskimospy

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I don't think this particular case would involve prison time. The other ones if indicted, yes. But from what I've read it seems like he wouldn't face prison for this.
He’s facing 34 felony counts. He is in serious danger of prison.
 

pete6032

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He’s facing 34 felony counts. He is in serious danger of prison.
Again, from what I have read from multiple sources it seems like prison time is highly unlikely.

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-tr...-spared-handcuffs-and-mug-shot-001241750.html

Under the New York State penal code, a conviction for the Class E felony of falsifying business records can result in a prison term of up to four years. But as a practical matter, that seems extremely unlikely. “No one gets jail time for that as a first offender,” said a New York law enforcement official.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-going-jail-time-ny-indictment-slim-odds-2023-3
The chances of Donald Trump spending any time behind bars over his historic New York indictment are slim to none, according to legal experts.

First-offenders virtually never go to jail on the kind of non-violent, low-level felonies that Trump's lawyers currently believe he faces, from an indictment with an expected top charge of falsifying business records in the first degree,

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ld-trump-indictment-jail-prison-b2313831.html
Former Brooklyn prosecutor Arthur Aidala recently told Insider: “I can’t say for absolute 100 per cent certainty there can’t be jail because on the books, he can go to jail… [But] I do not see a scenario where Donald Trump spends one minute in jail.”
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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If anyone should, a president should. If we don't hold our leaders accountable, there's no purpose in the law to begin with.
 

conehead433

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Looks like the media is making this into something like JFK's funeral. You get footage of his motorcade driving through the Palm Beach area with broadcasters announcing every minute of it with solemn voices. I guess we'll get the same in NYC.
 
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fskimospy

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Well we will see. I bet if convicted Trump is sentenced to prison time. For some weird reason people keep predicting he will get away with it and despite being wrong over and over they keep making the same wrong predictions.
 

fskimospy

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If anyone should, a president should. If we don't hold our leaders accountable, there's no purpose in the law to begin with.
If people want to tell themselves ‘he will be convicted of 34 felonies and face no jail time’ they can do that but I think they are deluding themselves.
 
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Greenman

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It never ceases to amaze me what sort of stories people invent about Trump. It used to be that he would never be indicted. Now that it’s obvious he will be and this is only the start - now he doesn’t mind and this is all a part of the plan.

No need to play 8-D chess here - he’s panicked because he’s scared of going to prison. He should be scared too.
Trump is absolutely a salesmen, he's been peddling his brand for years.
I never claimed he wouldn't be indicted, and I don't see a trial as being part of the plan. What I do see is a guy that's incapable of seeing his own failures or accepting that he might be wrong.
I don't know if he'll go to prison or not as I don't know what he's being charged with, and I don't know what the evidence is. For years I've been hearing "the beginning of the end", "the smoking gun", "the final nail". I'll wait for the trial before celebrating the conviction.
 
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fskimospy

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Logically this makes total sense but seeing the choices GOP voters have made in their primaries for statewide offices gives me some pause that it is operative.
I hear you but the people who vote in state primaries are the craziest of the crazy. I think presidential primaries are the one primary where relatively normal people vote and I think they care about winning a lot.
 
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MrSquished

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lol. Why did this idiot come to NYC of all places for a pro-Trump protest? New York has hated this clown long before the rest of the country figured it out.


gotta love NYC!

I read an article yesterday that Trump's indictment has turned some of his supporters from leaning DeSantis to now firmly back in Trump's camp. They just feel that Trump doesn't deserve this and they need to back him to fight the corrupt communist Dems who are now trying to imprison political enemies. The quotes that were from the interviews of these nasty people were something else. I mean anybody that would vote for Trump a third time is just sickening trash.
 

woolfe9998

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I'm not sure how anyone knows whether jail time is likely. What I've read, and what Cy Vance said on Meet the Press, is that this has actually never been prosecuted as a felony. Falsification of business records is always a misdemeanor because the statute which says it can be a felony is unclear. Basically, for it to be a felony, Trump has to have falsified the records in furtherance of another crime. Which here is difficult to prove.

They are anticipating this as Trump's number 1 defense, that it can't be prosecuted as a felony because there is no proof of intent to commit another crime. If Trump succeeds in this defense, then it's a misdemeanor, and since the misdemeanor has a 2 year statute of limitations, Trump gets off scott free.

But if Bragg succeeds in proving intent to commit another crime, and it's a felony, then there is no precedant to determine how much, if any, jail time is likely.
 

fskimospy

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gotta love NYC!

I read an article yesterday that Trump's indictment has turned some of his supporters from leaning DeSantis to now firmly back in Trump's camp. They just feel that Trump doesn't deserve this and they need to back him to fight the corrupt communist Dems who are now trying to imprison political enemies. The quotes that were from the interviews of these nasty people were something else. I mean anybody that would vote for Trump a third time is just sickening trash.
It always makes me laugh when people say ‘I voted for Trump twice but I totally wasn’t going to vote for him a third time until someone was mean’. Lol. Yes, you were.
 

Pens1566

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I'm not sure how anyone knows whether jail time is likely. What I've read, and what Cy Vance said on Meet the Press, is that this has actually never been prosecuted as a felony. Falsification of business records is always a misdemeanor because the statute which says it can be a felony is unclear. Basically, for it to be a felony, Trump has to have falsified the records in furtherance of another crime. Which here is difficult to prove.

They are anticipating this as Trump's number 1 defense, that it can't be prosecuted as a felony because there is no proof of intent to commit another crime. If Trump succeeds in this defense, then it's a misdemeanor, and since the misdemeanor has a 2 year statute of limitations, Trump gets off scott free.

But if Bragg succeeds in proving intent to commit another crime, and it's a felony, then there is no precedant to determine how much, if any, jail time is likely.

And that would be for a "normal" civilian. Not someone with the added logistical nightmare of how do you incarcerate someone with around the clock 24/7 USSS armed protection.
 
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woolfe9998

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And that would be for a "normal" civilian. Not someone with the added logistical nightmare of how do you incarcerate someone with around the clock 24/7 USSS armed protection.

I don't know how much impact that is going to have on a judge's decision in this case. Lots of factors can impact a sentence, including the judge's personal feelings about the defendant.

I do agree that first offense white collar felonies typically carry a low sentence if not probation, but we'll see. This is Trump and all bets are off.
 
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MrSquished

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I mean just imagine how many millions of people would vote for Trump again. Probably not enough for him to win again against any decent canddiate in the general, but enough to get the nomination. Either way, it's scary how many tens of millions of people are so horrific.
 
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fskimospy

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CNN poll shows 60% general support for Trump being indicted:


That is 94% of democrats, 62% of independents and 21% of republicans.

Also, Trump's net approval held steady at 24%, but ticked up by 4% among republicans since he was indicted.
Just going to throw it out there that an individual who 60% of the country thinks should be in prison is not a formidable candidate.
 
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woolfe9998

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Just going to throw it out there that an individual who 60% of the country thinks should be in prison is not a formidable candidate.

Sure, but is it any different than 2020, when he lost, but by low margins in a bunch of swing states? Overall Trump's approvals are about the same now as then.

Part of the problem is with the EC system. Trump did not win the PV in either election but both were close on the EC count. The GOP has a structural advantage. Which is why I'd rather see him not win their primary.
 
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