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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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Is it my imagination? or does he shoot off his mouth a lot with nasty untruths about people, or politicians, So many lawsuits. Hmm.

A massive case of FAFO.

I do wonder if he can actually meet bond on Stormy's case if his current case goes to collections and recovery!
 
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Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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"I'm not a rich man but I play one on TV."
Didn't he say he was worth something like 5 billion dollars not long ago? Just another lie from a man whose words never mean anything at all when you get right down to it. He should remain powerless. Putting that man back in the White House should be unthinkable.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Didn't he say he was worth something like 5 billion dollars not long ago? Just another lie from a man whose words never mean anything at all when you get right down to it. He should remain powerless. Putting that man back in the White House should be unthinkable.
You’re going to find out that this Donald Trump guy is not the most trustworthy person you will meet.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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So...presuming he can't raise the cash or secure a bond to appeal...does he still get to appeal even though the state starts attaching his properties/assets?
 

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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So...presuming he can't raise the cash or secure a bond to appeal...does he still get to appeal even though the state starts attaching his properties/assets?
IIRC he can appeal this verdict, but the AG of NYS can start selling his assets if no court stays the penalty. I believe the E. Jean Carroll case is different, and he had to post the bond to appeal. It's hard AF to keep track of all of this clown's court proceedings. Obviously his entire strategy rests on winning the election in November, unless SCOTUS rescues him. If he can't post the bond but miraculously comes up with the cash, what are we to make of that? MbS or daddy Vladdy decided to do him a solid, in exchange for?

The sad thing is we're all truly navigating uncharted and dangerous waters along with this MFer. Yet nearly half the country doesn't realize that peril.
 

QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
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Didn't he say he was worth something like 5 billion dollars not long ago? Just another lie from a man whose words never mean anything at all when you get right down to it. He should remain powerless. Putting that man back in the White House should be unthinkable.

As some MAGAs pointed out to me, what do I expect him to do here, billionaires don't just have that kind of cash at their disposal. I was even informed that Elon Musk, who's worth like 200 billion couldn't just make half a billion appear. So Trump has the money, he just doesn't have the money.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think Elon would struggle to come up with the cash if he needed it. Same with Jeff Besos, and even Mark Cuban, who I was told was "only worth 5 billion" compared to Trump who's worth twice that. While I will agree nobody just has 500 million in their sock drawer. If Trump was worth anywhere close to what he brags about, he could make it happen within a short period of time, maybe a a few days. I'm broke so I honestly don't have a clue how long it would take even a mega rich person like Besos to come up with that kind of hard cash lol. It is definitely doable in a 30 day period.

The MAGAs all seem to think he could easily pay this, yet none can explain to me how if that was true why no insurance companies want to post the bond for him. They get like 2.5% right? Which would be over $10 million.

All this recent shit makes me wonder what amount he could actually afford to post a bond for.
 

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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As some MAGAs pointed out to me, what do I expect him to do here, billionaires don't just have that kind of cash at their disposal. I was even informed that Elon Musk, who's worth like 200 billion couldn't just make half a billion appear. So Trump has the money, he just doesn't have the money.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think Elon would struggle to come up with the cash if he needed it. Same with Jeff Besos, and even Mark Cuban, who I was told was "only worth 5 billion" compared to Trump who's worth twice that. While I will agree nobody just has 500 million in their sock drawer. If Trump was worth anywhere close to what he brags about, he could make it happen within a short period of time, maybe a a few days. I'm broke so I honestly don't have a clue how long it would take even a mega rich person like Besos to come up with that kind of hard cash lol. It is definitely doable in a 30 day period.

The MAGAs all seem to think he could easily pay this, yet none can explain to me how if that was true why no insurance companies want to post the bond for him. They get like 2.5% right? Which would be over $10 million.

All this recent shit makes me wonder what amount he could actually afford to post a bond for.
Elon is somewhat of a special case. Much of his paper net worth is in Tesla stock, which until recently was a hype stock. It still is, but the story no longer makes sense. If he had to raise $500M by selling stock, he could easily do so but it would trigger a sell off that would tank the shares. He'd also have to pay capital gains tax, which he and his buddy Donald are loathsome to ever do. Elon's other major asset is in SpaceX, perhaps also a hype stock but it has a great story IMO. However it's privately held so I don't think he can do much there.

I don't think other insanely rich guys like Bezos or Zuck would have any problem whatsoever coming up with $500M in cash within 30 days. I have no idea what Cuban's liquidity looks like, but he's now in the process of selling most of the Mavs franchise.

Anyway, Forbes says Donny is worth a bit over $2B but his major properties are highly leveraged. It doesn't seem truthful that the Trump Org actually has $400Mish of cash lying around just for operations, because he's constantly refinancing his massive debt. Even his namesake Trump Tower has a $100M mortgage on it. Currently it's a pretty poor environment for commercial real estate, so he certainly doesn't want to sell anything now if that's even feasible on short notice. Assuming the $455M penalty is ultimately upheld AND paid, he'd still want to string it out until commercial RE rebounds. If enforced, this penalty and the estate tax his heirs would one day pay would essentially mean the RE empire his dad illegally gifted to him decades ago would have to be dismantled.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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IIRC he can appeal this verdict, but the AG of NYS can start selling his assets if no court stays the penalty. I believe the E. Jean Carroll case is different, and he had to post the bond to appeal. It's hard AF to keep track of all of this clown's court proceedings. Obviously his entire strategy rests on winning the election in November, unless SCOTUS rescues him. If he can't post the bond but miraculously comes up with the cash, what are we to make of that? MbS or daddy Vladdy decided to do him a solid, in exchange for?

The sad thing is we're all truly navigating uncharted and dangerous waters along with this MFer. Yet nearly half the country doesn't realize that peril.
Both cases are the same - a bond prevents seizure of assets during appeal. If he can’t come up with one here then NYS can start selling off assets right now.

From my understanding the next step is probably Trump declaring bankruptcy if the judgment is not stayed.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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Both cases are the same - a bond prevents seizure of assets during appeal. If he can’t come up with one here then NYS can start selling off assets right now.

From my understanding the next step is probably Trump declaring bankruptcy if the judgment is not stayed.
That would be rich hilarious. Then Biden could say not only is Trump morally bankrupt, but financially too!

And the MAGAs would still support him. Even if he were bankrupt...truly insane. Not that a presidential candidate needs to be obscenely wealthy of course - it just speaks to his inability to be executive officer of the country.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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That would be rich hilarious. Then Biden could say not only is Trump morally bankrupt, but financially too!

And the MAGAs would still support him. Even if he were bankrupt...truly insane. Not that a presidential candidate needs to be obscenely wealthy of course - it just speaks to his inability to be executive officer of the country.
He would only be bankrupt because the deep state and marxists er democrats are out to destroy him and the AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE FOR FREEDOM LOVING PEOPLE. But Trump is STRONG that not even bankruptcy can stop him from fighting for AMERICA!

coming soon from your local maga’s mouth
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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IIRC he can appeal this verdict, but the AG of NYS can start selling his assets if no court stays the penalty. I believe the E. Jean Carroll case is different, and he had to post the bond to appeal. It's hard AF to keep track of all of this clown's court proceedings. Obviously his entire strategy rests on winning the election in November, unless SCOTUS rescues him. If he can't post the bond but miraculously comes up with the cash, what are we to make of that? MbS or daddy Vladdy decided to do him a solid, in exchange for?

The sad thing is we're all truly navigating uncharted and dangerous waters along with this MFer. Yet nearly half the country doesn't realize that peril.

Oh I think such people recognize this peril and it's exactly what they want. They don't see it as peril--they see it as Daddy Don rescuing them from their own decades-long self-inflicted misery by coming to power and punishing all those that don't look and think like them. Anyone that votes for Trump or any modern conservative, really, are traitorous cvnts. Their ruinous, pure fascist ideology can't be allowed to survive.
 

amenx

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Dec 17, 2004
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Elon is somewhat of a special case. Much of his paper net worth is in Tesla stock, which until recently was a hype stock. It still is, but the story no longer makes sense. If he had to raise $500M by selling stock, he could easily do so but it would trigger a sell off that would tank the shares. He'd also have to pay capital gains tax, which he and his buddy Donald are loathsome to ever do. Elon's other major asset is in SpaceX, perhaps also a hype stock but it has a great story IMO. However it's privately held so I don't think he can do much there.
Musk sold $22 billion of Tesla stock over a few months as part of his twitter takeover. Incl $8.5 bil in one go. Yes shareholders grumbled but I dont think $500 mil would have much of an impact on the stock.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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That would be rich hilarious. Then Biden could say not only is Trump morally bankrupt, but financially too!

And the MAGAs would still support him. Even if he were bankrupt...truly insane. Not that a presidential candidate needs to be obscenely wealthy of course - it just speaks to his inability to be executive officer of the country.
The best tagline Democrats could use for the next 9mo or whatever is 'Donald wrote checks with his mouth that his ass can't cash.'
 
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eelw

Diamond Member
Dec 4, 1999
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But do wonder what the orange monkey has invested in stocks? Considering this is what the bond companies are asking for, not straight up cash.
 

sactoking

Diamond Member
Sep 24, 2007
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They get like 2.5% right? Which would be over $10 million.
I did not underwrite court bonds, I was mainly in construction payment & performance. The surety I used to underwrite for was a subprime surety and they charged 2.5%. The large, traditional sureties used a sliding scale that started around 1.5% and went down as the bond face went up, to where over $100mm in one bond was down to something like 0.1%.

Even other fidelity bonds like public officials fidelity I don't think went as high as we did in subprime construction.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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But do wonder what the orange monkey has invested in stocks? Considering this is what the bond companies are asking for, not straight up cash.

More likely underwriters glanced at his property portfolio and the debt piled on it then said "cash or equities only".
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
Feb 15, 2002
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He’s also got the problem that trump branded properties are worth about 25% less than non-branded properties.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Oh I think such people recognize this peril and it's exactly what they want. They don't see it as peril--they see it as Daddy Don rescuing them from their own decades-long self-inflicted misery by coming to power and punishing all those that don't look and think like them. Anyone that votes for Trump or any modern conservative, really, are traitorous cvnts. Their ruinous, pure fascist ideology can't be allowed to survive.
Is this hot mess fit to be president of the USA? If you're Vlad the Destroyer, sure, works for him.
 

iRONic

Diamond Member
Jan 28, 2006
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The public humiliation of the tangerine terroris grows, my smile broadens.

Kimmel eviscerated him again last night. 🤣
 

Stokely

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Jun 5, 2017
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Apologies if already posted, but of course there is a gofundme to help this turd out (on paper at least).


And hey they have found a number of rubes so far.

The question is--is this a grift in the name of another grifter? Where will this money actually end up? Apparently the woman doing this is married to one of those "pay me to tell you how to get rich" stains, so I think it's a valid question.

I'd love to think that whatever happens to this money, much like with the Republican party coffers it means it won't be going to help Trump win the election. Then again, we all know who the rich in this country (and some others) favor, it may be impossible to dry up that well.
 
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