Trump ordered military strike on Iran, but reversed at last second

[dawp]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pre...3853570&cid=clicksource_4380645_null_hero_hed

bolton is probably blowing a gasket

 

[Fenixgoon]

but the reversal was against the advice of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and National Security Adviser John Bolton.

I can't believe I'm saying this but every once in a while its good that trump doesn't listen to his advisers, apparently

 

[Indus]

More fake news obviously.. since Putin called them off. Nothing to see here folks!

 

[Indus]

I can't believe I'm saying this but every once in a while its good that trump doesn't listen to his advisers, apparently

McConnel is privately gonna phone Pelosi privately to get impeach for him rolling so we can have a corporate bipartisan war and free oil from Iran for decades to come.

 

[sportage]

Trump is not a war hawk.
No doubt many of his advisors are chanting for war and trying hard to talk Trump into war, but I trust Trump to refuse their advice.
I don't know what it is in Trump's DNA that makes him so anti war but something is there....
Maybe he's afraid of the ghost of the fallen soldiers in a Trump war, or maybe it's the blood on his hands thing, or maybe Trump is more liberal than Fox News realized.
If Trump can resist engaging in war, well then he's better than JFK and LBJ and including Obama as well for Trump staying firm and rejecting the pressures of war.
JFK was weak in that area, and easily duped by his military leaders to start that Cuba thing. And in the end JFK was left all alone all by himself to take the all heat while his military leaders just stood around, hands in their pockets saying DON'T BLAME US. BLAME JFK. HE DID IT.
And we all know how LBJ was duped into the worst war of all bad wars. So many Americans dead.
And in the end it destroyed LBJ as well as nearly destroying the entire country and the democratic party.

I hate to say it but I actually believe Trump is smarter than that.
Smarter than JFK and LBJ and probably Obama as well in the area of resisting bad advice on starting wars.
I trust Trump to resist even if it means the resignation of John Bolton.
Its not like others in the Trump administration have not resigned due to indifference with Donald Trump.
Personally, I like it that Trump can not be swayed, however we shall see if Trump can resist under intense pressure to come from the military heads.
I think Trump can resist. I hope he will.
But with Donald Trump, one never knows what the hell to expect.

War in that area of the world is never worth the high cost.
Maybe we needed a Donald Trump to realize that.
I thought Obama would and could resist, but Obama failed that test miserably.

 

[HomerJS]

You people are just paranoid and obsessed. Trump has made the Middle East safer from when he took it over from the Negro. Best President ever

 

[ImpulsE69]

I think Trump only cares that it's not HIM going to war, he could care less about the rest of the grunts. If a war will boost the economy I think he'd be all in.

 

[HomerJS]

Trump is worried more about his ratings then he is the troops.

If Trump is smart he would fire Bolton, which means Bolton will keep his job.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I am somewhat shocked to say this but if there is one thing Trump has been remarkably consistent on, its been his unwillingness to initiate new military conflicts overseas.

There might be a point where some truly unspeakable act of aggression goes totally unanswered by Trump, and it could be a problem then, but thus far Trump has done well keeping the US away from red lines.

I don't believe this comes from any deep, principled position on the dignity of life (Trump has certainly not flinched at giving the military carte blanch in escalating drone strikes, Saudia Arabia in its war in Yemen, Russia in its treatment of Ukraine, etc) but perhaps from squeamishness over the idea of being responsible for something where it becomes difficult to rewrite a loss into a win.

Maybe it comes from a position where he does not see a way to personally make money on war or in that he believes it is more profitable to cozy up to those who we might otherwise bomb back to the stone age.

Regardless, I would rather Trump continue doing the right things for the wrong reasons, than doing the wrong things for the wrong reasons.

 

[cytg111]

I want to know if he took a call from Putin before reversing that order...

 

[JEDIYoda]

sadly Trump is not afraid of war if it would get him 4 more years!
With that said -- I heard scuttlebutt that one of his sons was kidnapped and tied to a missle on one of the jets that was going to attack iran!
Luckily the KGB found Trumps son with the tapes that Hillary allegedly erased!

 

[WelshBloke]

I don't believe this comes from any deep, principled position on the dignity of life (Trump has certainly not flinched at giving the military carte blanch in escalating drone strikes, Saudia Arabia in its war in Yemen, Russia in its treatment of Ukraine, etc) but perhaps from squeamishness over the idea of being responsible for something where it becomes difficult to rewrite a loss into a win.

Maybe it comes from a position where he does not see a way to personally make money on war or in that he believes it is more profitable to cozy up to those who we might otherwise bomb back to the stone age.

Regardless, I would rather Trump continue doing the right things for the wrong reasons, than doing the wrong things for the wrong reasons.

I think that it's just not "his thing". He sees himself as this great businessman who makes the greatest deals and he doesn't trust anyone to take advice from because he thinks they are trying to pull a fast one on him (because that's what he'd do). He hasn't got experience with war and is uncomfortable with the way that the chain of command and responsibility works in that situation.
In short it's one of the few places he will acknowledge privately that he's out of his depth and try to avoid.
That's not to say that he wont bumble his way into a conflict through a combination of stupidity, arrogance and hubris.

 

[DrDoug]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pre...3853570&cid=clicksource_4380645_null_hero_hed

bolton is probably blowing a gasket

That can happen when you think you're finally going to blow that load you've been building up for decades and then Donny Dollhands makes a move on your bitch. Poor guy... it's probably leaking out of his ears by now.

 

[pcgeek11]

What do you think should be done in response to the drone shooting? I don't think we should just ignore it.

 

[DrDoug]

What do you think should be done in response to the drone shooting? I don't think we should just ignore it.

If it was shot down in their airspace, nothing. We lost a drone, nobody died. Are we going to kill people over a drone? Avenging Northrop-Grumman? We're the ones escalating tensions over there, again. Hell, the reason we're pissed at Iran is that they got sick of the despot we installed and they eventually overthrew him. We then refused to return the despot to their country so they took hostages. We started this fight long ago and now we're back to do it again.

If you want to do something about it then grab your gun and head over there. "We" have caused enough problems over there, you go have some fun.

 

[pcgeek11]

I agree that IF it was in their airspace nothing should be done.

From all I've read and seen the flight plans of it was over international waters.

I would believe Centcom over Irans leadership anyday.

 

[pmv]

"Wait, you said Iran was a threat to the security of the Gulf? I thought you said golf"

 

[DrDoug]

I would believe Centcom over Irans leadership anyday.

Go ahead, I'm reserving judgment because I have learned long ago that the big boys in our military are not the best at making determinations. Not only that but I don't trust a damned thing that comes out of this administration. Nobody died, did they? Any target we choose on the ground will more than likely result in casualties.

Do you think people should die for downing a drone?

 

[KMFJD]

What do you think should be done in response to the drone shooting? I don't think we should just ignore it.

Less than the response that Iran took after you guys blew up their commercial airliner and said whoops our bad

 

[ch33zw1z]

Less than the response that Iran took after you guys blew up their commercial airliner and said whoops our bad

Gee, I wonder why Iran may not like us

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655?wprov=sfla1

For reference, I was 7 when this happened, never heard about it until a few years ago.

 

[sportage]

Trump more enjoys fighting via social media.
Trump would rather attack every morning at 5am using tweets and ramblings than send in the troops. Not to mention the flack trump would get saying his kids and the kids of his rich friends will never serve while the poor kids have no choice.
And.... can anyone imagine what would happen if Trump screwed it up royally forcing the Soviets to get involved and the entire middle east? Where things would get so bad Trump would have no choice but to initiate a DRAFT?
How would his base react when their sons and daughters are summoned to war by Donald Trump's draft?
And then, those kids start returning home in flag draped coffins?
No.... I think Donald would rather do some name calling and maybe get other countries involved in some dreamed up scheme against Iran. Something that doesn't involve the military like shipping our illegals over to Iran. Or how about drones painted bright red with the MAGA logo in bold letters spreading wing to wing? Hundreds of red MAGA drones over the skies of Iran?
THAT sounds more like Donald Trump.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

While I remain skeptical, I would be thrilled to be wrong if Trump refuses to start a war.

 

[interchange]

I think you guys are giving Trump too much credit imagining he has logic and rational analysis guiding his decisions. I think Trump is afraid of initiating armed conflicts because he can imagine being the direct target of them, e.g. nuclear war.

 

[amenx]

I think Trump is afraid of the unexpected, that he worries it could lead to something that would create a massive f*ck-up that would forever brand him as an incompetent retard. He knows he is already suspected as an incompetent retard, he just doesnt want something that would remove all doubt.

 

[DrDoug]

Gee, I wonder why Iran may not like us

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655?wprov=sfla1

For reference, I was 7 when this happened, never heard about it until a few years ago.

That's just more frosting on the shit cake we've been serving Iran for a long time. In a saner world we would sit down with them and settle this once and for all. Of course that would require us to admit that we were the assholes in overthrowing their democratically elected government and installing Reza Pavlavi to put the boot to their necks so our (and Britain's) oil companies could prosper at the expense of the Iranian people. Post-WWII Iran was adopting western ways and doing quite well in getting their country in order. Everything was fine until they decided to nationalize the oil industry. Decades later the murderous Shah of Iran gets sick, comes to the U.S. for treatment and Iran's government is overthrown. Think about how weak that government was that just his leaving the country was enough for it to topple. We refuse to return Shah, they take hostages. Carter has military try to rescue them and they fail. Hostages eventually returned. We blow plane out of the sky and so on...

We started this fight and we need to end it, once and for all.