Trump ordered military strike on Iran, but reversed at last second

[VRAMdemon]

Trumplomacy:

U.S. official said the military made preparations Thursday night for limited strikes on Iran in retaliation for the downing of a U.S. surveillance drone, but approval was abruptly withdrawn before the attacks were launched.

The official, who was not authorized to discuss the operation publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, said the targets would have included radars and missile batteries.

The New York Times reported that President Donald Trump had approved the strikes, but then called them off. The newspaper cited anonymous senior administration officials.

The White House on Thursday night declined requests for information about whether Trump changed his mind.

Frankly, I was shocked Iran didn't get attacked . Very curious what happened for it to be called off and if this is only a delay. Bolton and Pompeo have such boners to bomb Tehran

A war with Iran would present Trump, the authoritarian's authoritarian, with an opportunity to declare a true national emergency. It's very possible this probably isn't an angle that Trump is actively thinking of, but it's one that exists nonetheless. Under the right/wrong circumstances, it would be a way to preserve his misrule.

 

[DrDoug]

Agreed, but your final sentence is disconcertingly ambiguous.

Also you could throw in the joint US/Russia occupation of Iran during WW2. The Iranians (not just the government but the general culture) seem quite fond of conspiracy theories, and one reason for that is how much they've been conspired against (probably similar to how it sometimes plays out with some African Americans - wild theories about AIDS are not entirely surprising after things like the tuskegee experiment).

May I add to that last sentence, "peacefully"!

 

[VRAMdemon]

Generally I would believe our government over Iran as well, but as the last several years have shown the current administration lies about EVERYTHING. Even things there’s no need to lie about. Their credibility is zero.

I don’t believe Iran either but Trump demolished any benefit of the doubt for the US and it’s not just me saying this. It’s clear our allies don’t believe us anymore either.

This...It's highly possible the explanation is it was in Iranian airspace as the US has no credibility right now when it comes to the truth.

Trump has a credibility problem in the international community due to numerous times of him lying on many issues. He does not tell the truth so much that no one can trust what he is saying in the international setting, and his base in the US doesn't care, so that's even less credibility for Trump. So no one can believe that the drone was shot down in international waters just because the US says so. Sad state of affairs that the US, under Trump the liar has become

It's a war of deception right now trying to further paint Iran as evil and the one doing the bad stuff while hurting it as much as possible. The US has to be careful that it doesn't get caught in the eyes of it's former treaty allies that the US unilaterally stepped out of and I'm sure that controlling the situation so they can control the news about it is one thing they are trying to do.

As a American citizen what side backs and supports the US and it's ideals, support Trump's plan, or question it and Trump's believability?

 

[pauldun170]

Diplomacy. And if that doesn’t work the use of force will always be on the table.

They shot down a drone, given the map below I wonder why. I think Iran (the government anyways) is terrible but the fact remains they are a sovereign nation. One who mustn’t be allowed to gain nuclear weapons but a sovereign nation nonetheless. Our presence surrounding them is very antagonistic and honestly I’m surprised it hasn’t escalated more before now.

This Map says a lot
(Some details on some of those bases)
https://www.americansecurityproject...Military-Bases-and-Facilities-Middle-East.pdf

US has led an economic siege of Iran for close to 40 years, directly supported a war against it and personally led military actions against Iran. It acted on behalf of dictatorships and monarchies and various religious nuts to wipe out any hope of Iran being able to integrate with the rest of the world through mechanisms at the UN and bilateral agreements.

 

[Denly]

I am Genuinely surprised some want to shoot first talk later, it is a war we're talking about. If it was truly never entered Iran airspace than show the world the flight path, have Iran to pay for it and then some - I personally guessing it did enter, if you play that game with China or Russia they likely shoot it down as well.

Great that Trump did the right thing.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

What amazes me in this is how quickly the specific plans of this strike were leaked. I mean holy shit someone must really think this was a bad idea as they've pretty much told Iran exactly what movements to make if the Orange fuck changes his mind.

 

[pauldun170]

Knowing Trump, having had to suffer with that assholes presence in my region for decades....my assumption is that he was all onboard until someone in the room mentioned that Iran is not the typical "brown people militia in some far off land" and they could potentially attack Trump properties if we start blowing up assets and killing Iranians because a surveillance drone that was spying on them was shot down.

They probably showed them the clip of the guys attacking Marty and Doc Back to The Future on their unsecured cell phone and said "Sir...they might do this on your golf course or in front of Trump "School for underage models who must wash their hands first before entering the room" hotel.

 

[HomerJS]

Trump is attempting to take credit for calling off attack because he was concerned for loss of life.

Excuse me , but isn't that a question to ask BEFORE ordering the attack in the first place??

Asshole

 

[VRAMdemon]

Lol...Trump assures us that the drone was unmanned:

“I think probably Iran made a mistake,” he later said. “I would imagine it was a general or somebody that made a mistake in shooting that drone down. Fortunately, that drone was unarmed. There was no man in it and there was no — it was just — it was over international waters, clearly over international waters, but we didn’t have a man or woman in the drone. We had nobody in the drone. It would have made a big difference, let me tell you. It would have made a big, big difference. But I have a feeling, and it maybe wrong and I may be right, I’m right a lot. I have a feeling that it was a mistake made by somebody that shouldn’t have been doing what they did. I think they made a mistake. I’m not just talking the country made a mistake. I think somebody under the command of that country made a big mistake.”

Video here. It's at about the 6:55 mark.

His followers are so gullible that it might be important to emphasize that an unmanned drone didn't, you know, have anyone in it. I wonder how long that took to explain to Donnie. Con.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Trump assures us that the drone was unmanned:

“I think probably Iran made a mistake,” he later said. “I would imagine it was a general or somebody that made a mistake in shooting that drone down. Fortunately, that drone was unarmed. There was no man in it and there was no — it was just — it was over international waters, clearly over international waters, but we didn’t have a man or woman in the drone. We had nobody in the drone. It would have made a big difference, let me tell you. It would have made a big, big difference. But I have a feeling, and it maybe wrong and I may be right, I’m right a lot. I have a feeling that it was a mistake made by somebody that shouldn’t have been doing what they did. I think they made a mistake. I’m not just talking the country made a mistake. I think somebody under the command of that country made a big mistake.”

Video here. It's at about the 6:55 mark.

His followers are so gullible that it might be important to emphasize that an unmanned drone didn't, you know, have anyone in it. I wonder how long that took to explain to Don the Con.

Remember when Pompeo was in Iraq last month and told Iran that if one American was harmed there would be consequences... Well they sure seem to be testing that measure.

 

[Jaskalas]

His followers are so gullible that it might be important to emphasize that an unmanned drone didn't, you know, have anyone in it. I wonder how long that took to explain to Donnie.

Trump's base is freaking out over NOT having started WW3 yesterday. He needs to try and explain it to them.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

We have our first volunteer!

A man who is disappointed for not having a war is a great fool.

 

[HomerJS]

Wow! Trump may be in trouble over this. His security blanket, State TV called him "weak". Righties really want bombs dropped in Iran

‘Fox & Friends’ Calls Donald Trump ‘Weak,’ Tries to Goad Him Into War With Iran


https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-friends-calls-donald-trump-134356480.html

 

[MtnMan]

 

[trenchfoot]

A man who is disappointed for not having a war is a great fool.

Some of those folks typically have no personal risk (physical or financial) involved in the inevitable killings so in their minds meh, "let there be blood so long as it ain't MY blood".

 

[UglyCasanova]

Wow! Trump may be in trouble over this. His security blanket, State TV called him "weak". Righties really want bombs dropped in Iran

‘Fox & Friends’ Calls Donald Trump ‘Weak,’ Tries to Goad Him Into War With Iran


https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-friends-calls-donald-trump-134356480.html

Man you’re something else. Using the fact he had restraint enough to not start a war as a political attack

 

[senseamp]

Good decision. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Man you’re something else. Using the fact he had restraint enough to not start a war as a political attack

I think he's pointing out the fact that much of Trump's base is supported by information from Fox. If they're attacking Trump because he was unwilling to start a war last night, that could erode his base. I don't personally think it's such a bad thing to not have a base built of racist warmongers, but unfortunately Trump has alienated everyone else.

 

[HomerJS]

Man you’re something else. Using the fact he had restraint enough to not start a war as a political attack

Maybe you forgot your glasses but FnF made the political attack.

 

[pauldun170]

Man you’re something else. Using the fact he had restraint enough to not start a war as a political attack

The statement released to the press, most likely by Trumps team is part of an overall strategy that serves as a message to everyone else but Iran.(because they base their strategy off TV shows).

The message in no way shows restraint. It shows a whole more and restraint isn't one of those things.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Some of those folks typically have no personal risk (physical or financial) involved in the inevitable killings so in their minds meh, "let there be blood so long as it ain't MY blood".

There are times when I'd like there to be a mechanism which holds those to account by putting them in combat situations as they arise. A quick boot camp and then on point for more often than not. That would break them of their fantasies.

 

[WelshBloke]

I agree that IF it was in their airspace nothing should be done.

From all I've read and seen the flight plans of it was over international waters.

I would believe Centcom over Irans leadership anyday.

I'm wondering if we aren't so confident now that we were in international airspace and that theres a chance that Iran can prove it. That would be a reason for calling it all off.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Considering Trump has often shown his lack of respect for the military, we should all be happy if this remains peaceful. I can't imagine what would happen if we did have to go to war under him.

 

[feralkid]

What do you think should be done in response to the drone shooting? I don't think we should just ignore it.

They need to pay us $213,103.45 per passenger killed, without admitting any guilt or responsibility in the matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm wondering if we aren't so confident now that we were in international airspace and that theres a chance that Iran can prove it. That would be a reason for calling it all off.

It's really not off yet. There's a 72 hour standby for immediate action. If Bolton or the other nitwit convince Trump to act then it would be done before we could hear about it with the likely outcome being retribution far beyond what the world has seen in modern times.

If Trump was smart and sane (yes I know) then we'd be working with Europe to address this issue without war, because war it would be.

People think that that means we bomb them and they roll over. Those people are deluded. Attacking 80+ million Persians can result in a middle east consumed in the fire of war and the rest of the world in a Greater Depression and wouldn't that learn that there doofus Iranian guy?