Trump ordered military strike on Iran, but reversed at last second

[brycejones]

Man you’re something else. Using the fact he had restraint enough to not start a war as a political attack

Whoosh you might try reading all of that again.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Whoosh you might try reading all of that again.

Please hold, he's getting Starbuck to start the political theater discussion.

 

[Maxima1]

Man you’re something else. Using the fact he had restraint enough to not start a war as a political attack

Maybe it's about reservations with timing or Putin. Maybe in the future he'll still listen to Nutanyahoo, MBS, MBZ and the idiots he has elevated in his administration. I can tell you one thing: he'll act more surprised than anyone if a war begins, and it'll be complete scat.

 

[DrDoug]

When I first heard of the incident I was angry enough to simply wash my hands of Iran... Stupid MF's Whatever happens happens... But I am happy Trump used better judgement at this point. It is, in fact, an unmanned drone. Sink an unmanned Sahand destroyer and call it even.

Did he? Or did he order the strike to only pull back when people beat it into his head that he was reacting in a disproportionate manner and that would hurt his ratings? Or did he have this leaked out to make himself look tough and yet, in the end, compassionate. We have no idea what happened and nothing this administration says can be taken as the truth. Nothing.This self-appointed stable genius made the horrible decision to launch the attack in the first place and that's all we need to know.

I'm just glad that whatever passes for intelligence in that pinball machine of a brain he has, he called it off.

 

[pcgeek11]

Go ahead, I'm reserving judgment because I have learned long ago that the big boys in our military are not the best at making determinations. Not only that but I don't trust a damned thing that comes out of this administration. Nobody died, did they? Any target we choose on the ground will more than likely result in casualties.

Do you think people should die for downing a drone?

Where did I say we should go killing people?

I didn't say or suggest that we should kill a few hundred Iranians. I just don't think they should get by with it IF it was over international waters.

 

[pcgeek11]

Less than the response that Iran took after you guys blew up their commercial airliner and said whoops our bad

Entirely different.

Accident vs intentional.

And I'm not trying to justify the accidental downing of a civilian plane by our military.

 

[pcgeek11]

You should enlist.

Sorry, Too old and I've already served my country for 20 years. What have you done?

 

[pcgeek11]

BTW - Remember all you Trumptards when he was pissing on our allies and nations were losing respect for the US around the world, you were saying "who cares what the world thinks"

Guess what, that bill is now due. With a legitimate purpose we would be forming a coalition. Other nations will be loath to side with this country now and I don't blame them.

Then we should pull our Navy out of the area and let the world defend the straits for their own oil supplies.

 

[feralkid]

Then we should pull our Navy out of the area and let the world defend the straits for their own oil supply's.

It's spelled "supplies", dumbass.

 

[pcgeek11]

It's spelled "supplies", dumbass.

Thanks.

I fixed it for you, so now you can pull those panties out of your ass.

 

[Jhhnn]

I must say that Bolton & Pompeo run a helluva propaganda campaign. The pacing is superb, moving on to fresh bullshit faster than the old can be adequately refuted.

We've moved very quickly from scurrilous accusations & outright lies right to the edge of military confrontation, huh?

Why are we doing this? Because the people who brought us the invasions of Afghanistan & Iraq are back in the saddle. They have no qualms about committing mass murder of innocent people to serve their geopolitical purposes. No qualms at all.

 

[DrDoug]

Where did I say we should go killing people?

I didn't say or suggest that we should kill a few hundred Iranians. I just don't think they should get by with it IF it was over international waters.

You didn't have to say that you wanted Iranians killed, it was inferred from you wanting a military response to what they did. Anything we would target would incur casualties. Here...

In the case of Iran’s human geography it is important to start with places. As can be seen in the map below, Iran has collocated its known and suspected nuclear development facilities, as well as many of its military bases—air bases, air fields, and radar installations—near its major population centers, heritage and religious sites, sea and ground lines of commerce and communication, and borders with its neighbors. This is not, in itself, surprising. The same natural and manmade infrastructure necessary for a municipality is also necessary for military sites, and especially so for research and development sites. The ability to get personnel and supplies where they need to be in a timely manner means taking advantage of already existing infrastructure. However, access to infrastructure for logistics’ purposes is not the only reason for some of this co-location. For instance, the nuclear facility near Qom is not an accident. It was placed there in order to make it difficult for a US commander to approve a strike on it. Collateral damage from a strike that damages Qom is going to enrage Shi’a everywhere and reinforce support for the Iranian government.

While the United States has the technological capability for precision air strikes, the tactical reality of where Iran has situated these facilities means that there will be significant collateral damage simply because of where they are located. And given the potential for environmental contamination from the degradation by bombardment of nuclear facilities, an air campaign to reduce Iran’s nuclear weapons development program would create the need for a significant humanitarian assistance, emergency management, and disaster response operation—which would have to be conducted among alongside offensive military operations and among a civilian population that has just been invaded and not favorably disposed to its declared liberators.

Combover Caligula himself said that the three "sights" they chose could have as many as 150 casualties. Does that answer your question?

 

[pauldun170]

Thursday is a great day when you need a story to feed the talking head gangbang on the weekends.
Thursday is the initial news blast. Friday is used for presentation of available "information from official sources" that is applied to a the kind of context your viewership wants. Weekend is all the talking heads pushing their BS to their audience.

So last Thursday we had a tanker attack
This Thursday is a drone downing.
Let's see what next Thursday will be.

Since this was simply a monitoring flight at 4AM then the Drone's transponder should have been on and we should be seeing everyone start piping in how they were tracking the drone over a very busy shipping lane. Maybe that is what next Thursday 's "breaking news will be"

Also very curious why they originally reported this as the old development mule\tech demonstrator.
https://news.usni.org/2019/06/20/ir...-disputes-claims-it-was-over-iranian-airspace
If it's the old one, why would they bother flying that out last week simply to monitor shipping....with its transponder turned off?
That would be kind of weird. It's almost like they flew an old airframe out specifically for some sort of specific task. One might even say "if you are going to use bait, use something that was ready for mothballing".
Cuz as of right now, evidence is that the they dusted off a sacrificial lamb out of Maryland last week.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1141624750910758912

https://twitter.com/x/status/1141634015289462784

Would be awkward if this video is legit because that's not a shoot down of an aircraft 21 miles out flying at the altitude typical of a reaper.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ump-drone-missile-strike-latest-a8968211.html

 

[pcgeek11]

You didn't have to say that you wanted Iranians killed, it was inferred from you wanting a military response to what they did. Anything we would target would incur casualties. Here...



Combover Caligula himself said that the three "sights" they chose could have as many as 150 casualties. Does that answer your question?

Where did I push for a Military Response for what they did? Be specific.

I only stated they should not get a free pass if it was over international waters. I think you are mistaken or are just making an assumption that is what I meant.

 

[Jhhnn]

You didn't have to say that you wanted Iranians killed, it was inferred from you wanting a military response to what they did. Anything we would target would incur casualties. Here...



Combover Caligula himself said that the three "sights" they chose could have as many as 150 casualties. Does that answer your question?

You didn't have to say that you wanted Iranians killed, it was inferred from you wanting a military response to what they did. Anything we would target would incur casualties. Here...



Combover Caligula himself said that the three "sights" they chose could have as many as 150 casualties. Does that answer your question?

It's unbelievably stupid for anybody to entertain the idea that Iran won't fight back if attacked. The consequences of such an attack are utterly incalculable.

They are a proud & patriotic people, make no mistake about that. The people suffered enormous sacrifice & casualties in repelling Saddam & they're much, much stronger today. They'll fight like Hell & rightfully so, because they are the victims, not us. We are the aggressors- first economically & threatening militarily, too. The so-called reasons for our actions are utterly contrived Neocon propaganda.

 

[DrDoug]

I only stated they should not get a free pass if it was over international waters.

What is your definition of "not get a free pass"? A sternly worded letter? A phone call? Do tell.

 

[pcgeek11]

What is your definition of "not get a free pass"? A sternly worded letter? A phone call? Do tell.

I see, you won't admit you were wrong about your claim I was calling for harming Iranians with military action.

I am quite sure there are many things that could be done to discourage the shooting down of our drones over international waters that does not involve military ordnance.

Do you think we should just ignore them shooting down our drone IF it were over international waters as reported? I suspect you will dodge this question as well.

 

[Jhhnn]

I see, you won't admit you were wrong about your claim I was calling for harming Iranians with military action.

I am quite sure there are many things that could be done to discourage the shooting down of our drones over international waters that does not involve military ordnance.

Do you think we should just ignore them shooting down our drone IF it were over international waters as reported? I suspect you will dodge this question as well.

We might have some room to move in other directions if we weren't already doing everything we can to fuck 'em. For no good reason at all, but it apparently feels good to the deplorables & the war mongering Neocons.

 

[Indus]

Where did I push for a Military Response for what they did? Be specific.

I only stated they should not get a free pass if it was over international waters. I think you are mistaken or are just making an assumption that is what I meant.

I seem to remember agreeing with a certain someone a few years back who used to sound like this..

Fuck Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan .... and the entire middle east. I am sick of hearing about that whole area.

We should pull everything esp. all the millions of US $ in aid to these shit holes and let them sort out their own problems. If they all gassed and nuked themselves out of existence I could not give a shit less than I already do.

How you've changed due to Trump derangement syndrome is spectacular!

Now you want to start a military incident due to drones?

 

[DrDoug]

I see, you won't admit you were wrong about your claim I was calling for harming Iranians with military action.

I am quite sure there are many things that could be done to discourage the shooting down of our drones over international waters that does not involve military ordnance.

Do you think we should just ignore them shooting down our drone IF it were over international waters as reported? I suspect you will dodge this question as well.

I don't have to admit a damned thing as there's nothing to admit other than you've got nothing to show any different...lol! Please define "many things". Sanctions? We've done them and our allies are not on board with them. Our allies already know what happened in Iran and that's why they are not rushing to back us up. That the remains of the drone landed on Iranian soil, right? Even the commentators on Sky News are talking about how Err Furor has "no tools left in the tool box except the military".

Since you claim there are many actions we could take, other than military strikes, please do tell while keeping the above in mind.

 

[UglyCasanova]

much of Trump's base is supported by information from Fox

Used to but I would question that currently.

 

[DrDoug]

I'm now hearing rumbling that the top military brass might not like being shitted on by the Raging Orange Roid. He would have been presented with the strike packages that his chiefs would have had put together and part a strike package are the damage/casualty assessments for each package. Therefore he would have already known the casualties before ordering the strike. His stream-of-consciousness tweet stream this morning indicated that he was not informed of this until he requested the numbers just before the strikes were to hit hints at that the military did not do its job and withheld that information from him.

IOW, as usual he is full of shit. Orange shit.

 

[trenchfoot]

Trump lies and lies and lies and we're supposed to be able to tell when he's lying or not, especially when he has every reason to stir some shit that distracts from the fact that somewhere in the near future his ass is going to be impeached at the leisure of the House Dems.

Still, some folks have this miraculous ability to do just that and it's such a strange coincidence that they all happen to be Trump supporters.

I wish I had that same ability so I could know what's going on with Trump's efforts at keeping our nation secure from foreign threats, especially so the Russians that Trump seems so enamored with but never explained why.

 

[ecogen]

Sorry, Too old and I've already served my country for 20 years. What have you done?

I don't live in a country that constantly involves itself in stupid wars. Working out great so far.

Glad to see you're happy to send more of your countrymen to die for absolutely nothing of value. If you feel this strongly about Iran you should re-enlist, I'm sure they'll find some use for you. Maybe a live decoy or something.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Meh..I'm leaning towards the whole thing being a planned stunt from start to finish.

Its a textbook example of Trump's usual strategy. Back off a the last minute and then try to take credit for averting said crisis.

Trump single-handedly prevented war between Iran and the US. Nobel peace prize here he comes!

I can't believe we have a President boasting about calling off military operations on fucking Twitter!

Some military experts have gone on record saying the sequence of events Trump described is extremely unlikely - the idea that no one would have mentioned potential casualties until Mr. Brilliant Mind thought of it, is utterly ludicrous. When a military action is placed before a decision-maker, the projected number of casualties is one of the first factors mentioned.

Trump thought this was a great story. So much drama! It was about to go down, and only his wise intervention stopped a disproportionate military action. Such a brilliant commander he is. No one else thought about casualties or proportionality of response!