Trump paid $750 in taxes in 2016 and 2017.

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HomerJS

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Feb 6, 2002
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It appears Fox hasn’t issued Fox approved talking points yet.
Two of my deplorable friends are having trouble explaining how or why the President has paid so little in Federal Taxes and how can he be such an Uber businessman if all his businesses continually operate at a mega loss.
The fall back appears to be “maybe this news isn’t true” and “it is illegal to obtain his personal taxes” which evolves to “why don’t you post your W2”
Sort of feel bad for the deplorable’s today....okay so that part is a lie.
I'm sure Tucker and Hannity will have some bullshit to spin tonight.
 
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sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Shit. i am pretty sure a Canadian collecting unemployment pays more in taxes than Trump.
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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Donald Trump’s approach to business and tax compliance appears to have been the same as his approach to politics: tell outrageous lies, play the government and creditors for fools, steal everything not nailed down today, figure out how to solve tomorrow’s consequences tomorrow, and already be onto the next con before anyone can catch him on the last one.

But despite its potential to land the entire Trump family in penury and jail, what is far more terrifying for the country isn’t what lies in his past of tax avoidance. It’s the time bomb of debt that lies in Trump’s very near future. It’s about the mystery of who owns Trump’s outlandish debts, and the degree of secret power they may be wielding over the country.

Despite posturing as a billionaire, Trump paid only $750 in taxes for the years 2016 and 2017. He tried to use the same trick to offload tens of millions in tax burdens by claiming business losses twice in as many decades, except that the second time he actually still retained partial ownership of the underlying business, and has been in a $72 million battle with the IRS for a decade ever since–a battle he should lose by all rights. His daughter Ivanka was hired as a consultant for the same work she was doing in her main job–an obvious and incredibly stupid tax-avoidance grift that could easily land her jail. He (likely illegally) deducted $70,000 in hair care for his TV show. And so on.


Many rich tax cheats will tell the IRS they are broke while hiding their true wealth elsewhere. But Donald Trump isn’t just a tax cheat pretending to be broke for the feds. He appears to actually be broke. He inherited money from his father, squandered it on failed casino investments, offloaded the losses onto creditors, and then remade himself as a personal brand machine selling the rights to his name. He played a fake billionaire on TV and made significant money from doing that. Remarkably, adopting a fake reality TV show persona for public entertainment value may be the closest thing to honest work Trump has ever done. But rather than being content to invest those proceeds wisely, he went on another foolish real estate spending spree. His properties old and new are losing ridiculous amounts of money–he has lost a shocking $315 million dollars in the last 20 years at his golf courses alone.

One fact stands out far above all the others in its staggering implications: Donald Trump is personally responsible for $421 million worth of loans coming due in the next few years. Not his business. Him. Personally. He has no means of repaying them. He already refinanced his few profitable properties, and sold off most of his stocks to stay afloat. He appears short on liquidity. And we still don’t know to whom he owes the money.

This fact has frightening implications for public policy and national security. Even minor debts are a frequent reason for the government to deny a security clearance, for the obvious reason that indebted and financially desperate public servants make easy marks for bribery, blackmail and potential treason. The potentially destructive power of that sort of hold on a President of the United States is beyond comprehension. It is the stuff of nightmares, bad spy movie plots and otherwise outlandish conspiracy theory. Imagine if a president owed millions to the mob or to those with close ties to a foreign government, and those individuals both controlled the president’s financial future and knew of corrupt criminal activity. The president might act with otherwise strange deference to said mobsters and those connected to them, and bend public policy on their behalf. If they were tied to fossil fuel interests, the president might set the globe on fire rather than cross them. If his creditors were simply a wealthy set of Wall Street tycoons, he might rig all financial policy on their direct behalf.

What we do know is that beginning in the late 2000s, no one would lend to Donald Trump. His history of bankruptcies, combined with whatever horrors were on his personal and organizational financial statements, clearly made every bank run the other direction. Every bank but one, that is: Deutsche Bank. Donald Trump’s history with Deutsche Bank has always merited special scrutiny, but never more than now. The head honchos at Deutsche would have known just how desperate Trump’s financial position was. But they lent to him anyway. Why? It certainly looks even more ominous that Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy’s son was managing the real estate division at Deutsche that lent to Trump, and that Justice Kennedy unexpectedly retired to ensure Trump could seat his replacement. And it looks triply suspicious that Deutsche Bank has been fined and sanctioned over multiple money laundering scandals, including $20 billion from Russian kleptocrats.

It could all be a coincidence. But it probably isn’t.

Still, even if the darkest fears turn out to be unfounded, some group of individuals still owns Trump’s nearly half-billion dollar debts. They likely also know where many of his financial and legal skeletons are buried. Whoever they are, they have the capacity to be directly dictating to Donald Trump and he would be in no position to say no. That is an untenable place for the country to be in.

The New York Attorney General has even more dirt on the finances of the Trump Organization, and the New York Timeswill be releasing even more information on Trump’s taxes in the coming days. But even with just what we know now, the country faces an unprecedented policy and national security crisis. The situation is untenable. A man in Trump’s position simply cannot be allowed to continue as president.

Trump has already proven himself temperamentally and morally unfit for the job. But now, whether he wins or loses re-election, no responsible member of Congress should allow him to be re-inaugurated. The Republican Party could easily put Vice President Pence in his place and achieve the same policy goals. Trump must be impeached and removed, because the country faces grave risks every day he remains in power.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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It’s baffling to me that people would think because a CPA prepared someone’s return that would mean they didn’t commit tax fraud, or that if they did the CPA was in on it.
I'm not sure why it would baffle you. Of course they would think that, because they don't actually understand the process. If they did, they wouldn't make that point. "Uninformed people make uninformed points."

Although, if you're baffled at why they'd argue that point without first doing their due diligence and gaining an understanding of the topic then I'm right there with you.. Although I suppose it's just another layer of lack of intellectual curiosity.
 

jman19

Lifer
Nov 3, 2000
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I'm not sure why it would baffle you. Of course they would think that, because they don't actually understand the process. If they did, they wouldn't make that point. "Uninformed people make uninformed points."

Although, if you're baffled at why they'd argue that point without first doing their due diligence and gaining an understanding of the topic then I'm right there with you.. Although I suppose it's just another layer of lack of intellectual curiosity.

POTUS has zero intellectual curiosity. Should we be shocked when his supporters display the same behavior? The dumbing down, anti-science and anti-intellectualism continues as it long has. We're just racing towards the bottom. I'm sure some Trump zealot / concern troll will be here shortly to complain about intellectual elites.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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POTUS has zero intellectual curiosity. Should we be shocked when his supporters display the same behavior? The dumbing down, anti-science and anti-intellectualism continues as it long has. We're just racing towards the bottom. I'm sure some Trump zealot / concern troll will be here shortly to complain about intellectual elites.
You got it. "We" will be our own undoing.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Won't make a lick of difference to a Trumper. They lack "sense of fair play, civil duty, honesty" as he mentions.

Is that guy like the redneck whisper?

This also isn't about the trumpers, it's about the undecideds, the unexcited and the soft supporters.
 
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I'm sure Tucker and Hannity will have some bullshit to spin tonight.

They haven’t been informed. 15 minutes ago one was ranting about it being a fake & setup.
Little over a hour ago the other deplorable wouldn’t & we all shouldn’t look at them because they were “stolen”. I asked why the 2016 DNC hack didn’t deserve the same respect.
 

Pipeline 1010

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I meant in the context of how they will vote. They won’t change but they aren’t enough for him to win. So, not worth worrying about.

The hope was that this might have an effect on their vote. So far, it doesn't seem like it. They LOVE that he is so smart to not pay taxes. They don't seem to give any shits at all that they work a few months per year just to pay taxes and he pays his own taxes in the amount of time he spends taking an actual shit.
 

sportage

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It’s said that trump will owe massive amounts of back debt coming due over the next 4 years. So... if trump is re-elected just imagine the Trump corruption that will take place to raise that money, and better yet... just imagine the US sovereignty Donald Trump will gladly give away to foreigners entities to raise that much needed money. And all of it corruption conducted under the table and kept hidden from the America public. People do realize I hope that a second Trump term will be total mob mentality? We’re talking The Godfather type of mob mentality. Donald Trump will have no choice but to rape America to her death. I hear that Putin is interested to purchase Mount Rushmore. And Manhattan? How about Chinahattan? President Donald Trump... you get what you pay for.
 

SteveGrabowski

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In case you missed it

Trump's entire existence served as a tax avoidance scheme run by his father.
No surprise at all that the cycle repeats itself

House should impeach for that. If tax fraud can take down Capone surely it can be applied to an even worse criminal like Trump.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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House should impeach for that. If tax fraud can take down Capone surely it can be applied to an even worse criminal like Trump.
So Trump paid his daughter a great deal of money and wrote it off as a business expense. That's not illegal. Now that money is on Ivanka's tax form, it's there because along with the cash went a 1099, so she gets to pay taxes on whatever part of that money is income.

I don't know if Trump committed tax fraud or not, but so far every single story I've read about this has been normal business operations painted as nefarious activity, or based on the near complete ignorance of how business taxes are assessed and what taxable income actually is.
 

Grey_Beard

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So Trump paid his daughter a great deal of money and wrote it off as a business expense. That's not illegal. Now that money is on Ivanka's tax form, it's there because along with the cash went a 1099, so she gets to pay taxes on whatever part of that money is income.

I don't know if Trump committed tax fraud or not, but so far every single story I've read about this has been normal business operations painted as nefarious activity, or based on the near complete ignorance of how business taxes are assessed and what taxable income actually is.

What company that you worked for or ever worked for that filed their taxes this way? You can source these documents regularly, as most publically traded companies make them available. Please show us.
 
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So Trump paid his daughter a great deal of money and wrote it off as a business expense. That's not illegal. Now that money is on Ivanka's tax form, it's there because along with the cash went a 1099, so she gets to pay taxes on whatever part of that money is income.

I don't know if Trump committed tax fraud or not, but so far every single story I've read about this has been normal business operations painted as nefarious activity, or based on the near complete ignorance of how business taxes are assessed and what taxable income actually is.

Without going into tax specifics or what’s illegal vs legal
I don’t think there many Americans that would agree paying $750 in federal taxes by a man who owns a limo, jet, helicopter and lives in gold leafed rooms is appropriate.
 
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zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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Do you understand that any random person could be sitting on a billion dollars and not pay a cent in taxes? You aren't taxed on how much you have, your taxed on how much you made.

I won't comment on the story posted because I don't have any information other than a tweet.

wait a tic, I thought these guys paid the vast majority of all US taxes!

Now you're saying that it's pretty damn easy for any random one of them to not pay a cent in taxes?

You guys really need to get your messaging straight.
 
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fskimospy

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So Trump paid his daughter a great deal of money and wrote it off as a business expense. That's not illegal. Now that money is on Ivanka's tax form, it's there because along with the cash went a 1099, so she gets to pay taxes on whatever part of that money is income.

I don't know if Trump committed tax fraud or not, but so far every single story I've read about this has been normal business operations painted as nefarious activity, or based on the near complete ignorance of how business taxes are assessed and what taxable income actually is.
Uhmmm, there is a very good chance that is illegal, lol.

If you think paying your own kids extra (tax advantaged) consulting fees for the same projects they are already working on as part of their salaried position is anormal business operation you might want to look out as you could be running into IRS problems yourself in the near future. This is likely tax fraud in a number of different ways. (payroll tax avoidance, gift tax avoidance, etc.)

It is entirely irrelevant if Ivanka paid income taxes on these wages - this is Trump's taxes we are talking about, not hers.
 
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