Trump probably shot at a rally -- Still a jerk

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UNCjigga

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Trump would be an existential threat for Ukraine in the war against Russia. I can see the possibility of someone from Ukraine deciding to take him out. What's weird is how the shooter fire multiple rounds, hit multiple people and killed someone but only nicked Trump. Will have to wait for more info in the coming days.
If that BBC interviewee is to be believed, it’s quite possible that LEO/SS were alerted to the shooter’s presence and already had him in scope while trying to verify he wasn’t one of their own. They could’ve fired at him mere seconds after the first shots and affected the shooter’s aim.

Edit: This video seems to support that the shooter was engaged mere seconds after firing, and had been pointed out before shots were fired.
 
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kage69

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Did you even bother looking at it? The pictures are from Doug Mills NYT.

There's a reasonable chance that the AR was a pistol or 300 blackout and shooting less than 3000 FPS.

There are 3 pictures in the sequence. If you want to say oh that's an air vortex and not the actual bullet I'd say you could be right but it was definitely caught on the camera.

At this point I'm arguing with someone who's blatantly wrong and unwilling to concede they are.


Skepticism is no vice this early in the game. Let's see what some real analysis yields. I will say that initially it looks legit to me. Given what we've seen done with AI recently though, lookin at you Israel and Hamas, I think everyone should just wait and see. Shouldn't take long.
 

Zorba

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Trump would be an existential threat for Ukraine in the war against Russia. I can see the possibility of someone from Ukraine deciding to take him out. What's weird is how the shooter fire multiple rounds, hit multiple people and killed someone but only nicked Trump. Will have to wait for more info in the coming days.
The post that brought up Ukraine is full of shit. That channel is a pro gun channel, doesn't look like it has anything to do with Ukraine.
 
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kage69

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If that BBC interviewee is to be believed, it’s quite possible that LEO/SS were alerted to the shooter’s presence and already had him in scope while trying to verify he wasn’t one of their own. They could’ve fired at him mere seconds after the first shots and affected the shooter’s aim.

This is the likely scenario IMO. It was an extremely fast response, and well inside the envelope of what spotters and sharp shooters are tasked with monitoring.

SS should still conduct a thorough internal investigation, bust heads. Doesn't seem to be any dispute that shots were fired from a surprisingly short range and that the primary left the stage bleeding. That's unacceptable no matter who the primary is. Period. End of discussion.
 

cmcartman

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To me, that's not the actual bullet itself. It's the mist of Trump's bodily fluids being dragged along behind the bullet. It will expand into a fog very quickly thereafter. From the ballistic images/footage I've seen where a bullet has penetrated its intended target and exited, more times than not it will leave such a trail behind it, especially if it's organic tissue of some sort. Heard of the pink mist before? It's clearly seen through a scoped rifle if the shooter keeps a trained eye on the hit, along with a trailing shock wave penetrating the air before the hit if the weather conditions are right for it, like cold very high humid air for example.
I totally agree that this is probably the case here. He's been seeming to imply the picture was photoshopped or fake. I only mentioned it in the first place because it's pretty clear the bullet grazed his ear and not just glass or not only glass at least.
 

trenchfoot

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If that BBC interviewee is to be believed, it’s quite possible that LEO/SS were alerted to the shooter’s presence and already had him in scope while trying to verify he wasn’t one of their own. They could’ve fired at him mere seconds after the first shots and affected the shooter’s aim.

Edit: This video seems to support that the shooter was engaged mere seconds after firing, and had been pointed out before shots were fired.

The timing of the shooter that's clearly out in the open sending his hot gift to Trump and subsequently being shot is suspicious to say the least.
 
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ondma

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This is the likely scenario IMO. It was an extremely fast response, and well inside the envelope of what spotters and sharp shooters are tasked with monitoring.

SS should still conduct a thorough internal investigation, bust heads. Doesn't seem to be any dispute that shots were fired from a surprisingly short range and that the primary left the stage bleeding. That's unacceptable no matter who the primary is. Period. End of discussion.
All the respect in the world to the Secret Service agents who risked their lives by surrounding Trump and throwing themselves on top of him to protect him. That said, it seems like multiple failures here. First, the location itself should have been better searched out so as to not have elevated buildings within sniper range of the podium. The Secret Service or local law enforcement also should have cleared all the roofs in the area before Trump was allowed to take the stage. I also didn't see any type of protective shields around the podium.
 

zinfamous

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I call bs. Unless the person was recording with a high speed camera, there is no way a bullet was caught on film.

With digital, it's more common nowadays for pros to just take dosens of snaps per shot. I guess depending on the shutter speed setting, it's possible?

In fast sports, for sure, that camera is taking like 50 photos per second. I'm not sure what frame rate is needed to capture a bullet, though.
 

MrSquished

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Wait until you hear the history of Europe before NATO.
If you think they are immune to this crap. I wish them luck, but they are still only human and Russia is working REAL hard to keep them divided. And at least some of them seem to fall pretty hard for it.
I mean I don't know what you're talking about. No shit Sherlock, Europe has been a fuck show before. So has everywhere in the world. I don't think anywhere is immune to crazy things happening. Wherever did I even imply that? But Europe has a bunch of countries that I can escape to if needed, and some are doing fine now some are not but I'll pick a good one don't worry about it.
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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All the respect in the world to the Secret Service agents who risked their lives by surrounding Trump and throwing themselves on top of him to protect him. That said, it seems like multiple failures here. First, the location itself should have been better searched out so as to not have elevated buildings within sniper range of the podium. The Secret Service or local law enforcement also should have cleared all the roofs in the area before Trump was allowed to take the stage. I also didn't see any type of protective shields around the podium.

Ideally they have a presence on roofs that close. Trump's detail is nowhere near as huge and imposing as what Biden has though, maybe there 'just wasn't enough to go around'? The pre screen team deemed it a low risk venue apparently. It is weird to see them forego the minimal amount of glass for someone convinced Joe Biden, the FBI and the DoJ all have plots to kill him, no? I've heard they requested more and didn't get it. If that's for real they certainly will now.

I'm a little surprised the counter sniper waited that long to confirm a long hair lacking com equipment, who was pointing a rifle directly at Trump. That's some impressive restraint that almost went too far. Really though, he should have known where other roof units were set up. Maybe he thought someone might have relocated?
 
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Sonikku

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What tragedy. I'm glad he survived and am feel horrible his life was in danger from a gunman. I'm heart broken that the conspiracy theories will now persist until the end of time and that this incident will be held up by the right for about as long about how the secret all powerful deep state is out to stop him from saving America from the swamp and so forth. The dems are now toast in November and he will now be above the rule of law because of scotus. I have no hope for our future.
 
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Leeea

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This was very wrong. He represents a segment of society. He would have always been created, and if killed another will spawn. Most likely a smarter one.

I would never condone, encourage, or assist in such an act. If I was aware of one, I would report it.



Two dead, and his 2nd term has yet to even start. -sigh- He is probably reveling in it all. All the attention is back on Mr. Narcissist.
 

Leeea

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What tragedy. I'm glad he survived and am feel horrible his life was in danger from a gunman. I'm heart broken that the conspiracy theories will now persist until the end of time and that this incident will be held up by the right for about as long about how the secret all powerful deep state is out to stop him from saving America from the swamp and so forth. The dems are now toast in November and he will now be above the rule of law because of scotus. I have no hope for our future.
I would not count on it. The next headline is this is inter-party fighting, and people are going to be reminded of the chaos and death of Trumps first term.


Trump whipping the crowd up with two dead bodies on the ground may not go down well with people.
 
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