Trump probably shot at a rally -- Still a jerk

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gothuevos

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Little on the shooter's motivation has come out yet but there is this from his classmates apparently.


I hate that after every one of these...it's a mad scramble to the bottom to try to figure out the individual's ideology...with "the other side" breathing a sigh of relief when it's not "their guy."

I get why, but it's sad nonetheless. And it's not new. I'd say it's been this way since 9/11.

Also didn't this happen before? The Pittsburgh synagogue shooting when Trump was President - wasn't the shooter upset that Trump wasn't right wing enough???
 

Roger Wilco

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Trump’s going to spend the rest of his life fearing conservative gunman. There’s a word for that…
 

Muse

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Very good in-depth piece just offered at The New York Times on this assassination attempt put in the context of the history of political violence in the USA.

This link will get anyone through the paywall for 14 days, i.e. until July 28, 2024:

 

VRAMdemon

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So ... here we are: A perceived frail, feeble Joe vs the Bloodied American Fighter. The heavily-meme’d octogenarians' slack-jawed wide-eyed image from the debate vs iconic bloodied steely-eyed fist-raised-in-front-of-the-American-flag image from yesterday. This is what the undecideds, double haters and disengaged voters will see. The victim of gun violence/a political assassination attempt vs the party in charge that let it happen. Shooting off part of a candidates ear is one of the greatest piece of political theater since the burning of the Reichstag. His message is elevated to: "God has saved me - me - me! to save America". It plays into the belief that God is looking out for Trump as a Chosen One with a bullet just a small fraction an inch away from having blown his brains out.

Trump’s entire brand for this election is revenge. They stole 2020 from him, they are using “lawfare” to take him out, they have tried to remove him from ballots in some states, etc. "Liberals" (All the people in America that are not Trump supporters) have stolen the country, are ruining it, and are using every tool they have to keep “real Americans” from taking it back. This event could not be more perfect for enforcing and amplifying that message. And it happened to produce perfect imagery as well.

Not to mention a fractured Democratic party who is playing whack a mole with Biden's stepping down or not stepping down. Doners are cratering, infighting and basically projecting a non-unified, no confidence image of your candidate. Basically, a shitshow. Things have gone from bad to worse in a matter of 24 hours. We’re also now facing calls for national unity. At the exact time Biden needs to be going after him forcefully for his 24 hours a day of lying, Roe, Project 2025, Trumps acceptance of political violence (Jan6) and why he keeps getting convicted of felonies and other crimes. Any attack is seen as a horrible attack on this poor, poor victim. His constant perception of victimhood, which he is able to express in a way that, somehow, wins the loyalty of like-minded people, who perceive Trump as an extension of their own victimhood. Trump still has this ability to project an image of strength, despite the fact that he’s a cowardly, soft-headed dipshit who folds in the face of real power, like in his shrunken body language next to Putin.

Trump may be the luckiest man in the world.

In November voters will choose between an Elmer Gantry lunatic and an aging experienced statesman. My belief that the majority will make the correct decision is less than it was a month ago
 
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K1052

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Also didn't this happen before? The Pittsburgh synagogue shooting when Trump was President - wasn't the shooter upset that Trump wasn't right wing enough???

Ultimately the crazies you are helping to whip up could easily decide you are no longer their particular brand of crazy and come after you instead or innocent 3rd parties.

That one of their own may have tried to punch his ticket isn't necessarily shocking. Face eating leopards and all that.
 

Zorba

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A 20 year old is going to have, what, a single voter registration?
That's a record to spit on, not respect.

Especially when they wouldn't be the only person to vote in the Republican Primary in order to stop Trump. (Hi Nikki)
I'll wait for online posts / actual history of ideology before jumping to some conclusions about them.
Does your registration change in Penn based on which primary you voted in?
 

Muse

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To me it’s looking more and more likely that this wasn’t really politically motivated and more akin to a loser/loner who had been bullied his life was wanting to end his life by making a name for his self. Like most mass shooters. The shooter was trying to kill Trump and have a mass shooting all in one.
TBH, I think he intended to kill Trump. The dead man and two critically injured were "accidental." However, I have no evidence you don't.
 

Muse

Lifer
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The only reason that I weakly endorse this thought, is that under duress, we absolutely know that Trump runs and hides and cries like a fucking coward. Every fucking time something upsetting happens. He hides in his little bunker stuffing his maw with hamburders. His demanding to get up and hoist the Nazi salute in the air after being shot and tackled is definitely not something that anyone that is paying attention would expect of him.
So, how do you reconcile the injury to his ear? Was that some slight of hand? A little device attached? This whole thing seems unlikely. Not the assassination attempt but the close call aspect. But such things happen.
 

BoomerD

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So, how do you reconcile the injury to his ear? Was that some slight of hand? A little device attached? This whole thing seems unlikely. Not the assassination attempt but the close call aspect. But such things happen.
One of the SS agents nicked his ear with a pen knife.
 

zinfamous

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So, how do you reconcile the injury to his ear? Was that some slight of hand? A little device attached? This whole thing seems unlikely. Not the assassination attempt but the close call aspect. But such things happen.

I should have said entertain, not endorse. I never meant to imply support for this narrative. Only insomuch that it's out of character for that corpulent coward to not run away and hide when threatened, as we well know that he always does.
 

gothuevos

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Again what part of the voting population will suddenly change out of sympathy? He’s already has their vote.

Didn't someone post a recent poll saying 30% were still undecided? That would be a massive number.
 

thilanliyan

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Do you think Fence-sitters will be swayed by his Nazi salute? The one photo that these idiots are desperate to make famous? Somehow, I don't think people swayed by Nazi imagery are fence-sitters.
I don't know how fence sitters think. Anyone that's still sitting on the fence after everything Trump does and says...I don't understand their thought process.
 

Muse

Lifer
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I should have said entertain, not endorse. I never meant to imply support for this narrative. Only insomuch that it's out of character for that corpulent coward to not run away and hide when threatened, as we well know that he always does.
He's not just a coward. He's also very addicted to getting responses to people surrounding him, particularly, naturally, at rallies. Rallies where he is the center of attention are fundamental to his self identity. Fist pumping and pointing at specific people is virtually reflexive for him. Challenged at a rally (whoa, I've been grazed by a bullet), brought out the reflexive fist pumps. Fist pumping and pointing are just part and parcel of who he is now and probably will be for the rest of his life.
 

Muse

Lifer
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or he used some of the ketchup packets that he keeps in his pockets, while under that pile.
Look at the video again, I think his reaction with his right arm wasn't fake, it was genuine response to the pain of being struck, possibly by a bullet, possibly shrapnel.
 
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